Why Not Gingrich for HHS?

Quick, name three past secretaries of HHS. Okay, two? One? Don’t even know what HHS stands for? Don’t worry, most Americans probably would fail this little quiz. If you passed, take your honors as a super geek.

In normal times, the head of the Department of Health and Human Services is not exactly a rock star, not even in Washington circles. But things are different with an administration aiming to bring about the biggest change in national health care since Lyndon Johnson signed Medicare into law at Harry Truman’s presidential library in Independence, Missouri.

Tom Daschle’s withdrawal leaves a fascinating and crucial vacuum to fill in Barack Obama’s emerging Cabinet.

Two out-of-the-ballpark names to speculate about are (out of left field) Howard Dean, and (from way out there in right field) Newt Gingrich.

Liberals would surely be pleased with Dr. Dean, but he and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel have some serious fence mending to do before that could happen.

Gingrich? Now before you lefties have a collective heart attack, think about it. Something as big as overhauling our entire health care system will be tougher to get done on a purely partisan basis. There are Republicans who want to play.

As much as it would infuriate liberals, picking Gingrich would be a hyper-bipartisan move. Would it confound the GOP into submission on health care? Maybe not, but it would be a bold move to change the political dynamics that have killed reforms in the past.

 

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293 thoughts on “Why Not Gingrich for HHS?”

  1. Sorry Craig…
    Newt won’t do. He’s the guy who divorced his wife who was being treated for cancer to marry a younger women I believe.
    If he cared less about his ex’s cancer I can not see him caring about reforming health care.

  2. I am sure that there must be at least one Obama supporter who knows as little about the topic as the newt.
    The gingrich devolution wrecked bipartisanship, and made America less able to manage its finances. Let him eat crow.

  3. My implacable animus stems directly from the abusive language used by bullies like the newt.
    newt is a gecko.

  4. My implacable animus stems directly from the abusive language used by bullies like the newt.
    newt is a gecko.

  5. The big wigs get away with stealing the store due to deregulation in the past 20 years that was pushed through by both parties with little notice and plenty of BS. I don’t think it’s much more of a philosophical argument than that.

  6. The big wigs get away with stealing the store due to deregulation in the past 20 years that was pushed through by both parties with little notice and plenty of BS. I don’t think it’s much more of a philosophical argument than that.

  7. From the previous thread
    —————————
    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/recovery-reckoning.html#comment-196545
    “The Indonesian Embassy says ….”
    “The Indonesian Embassy informs …”
    What else are they going to say? You don’t know about the visit of U.S. Congressman Eni Faleomavaega (D -- American Samoa) to Indonesia in July 2007. Just guess what deal he was making with the Indonesian government. Hint: Faleomavaega is a strong supporter of SoetorObama.
    “The Pakistani Embassy assures …”
    So? That doesn’t answer the question of what nationality SoetorObama was using when he entered Pakistan.
    —————————-
    Again, if he doesn’t have anything to hide — why is he hiding these documents (and others)?
    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/change-climate-claims-daschle.html#comment-196274

  8. From the previous thread
    —————————
    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/recovery-reckoning.html#comment-196545
    “The Indonesian Embassy says ….”
    “The Indonesian Embassy informs …”
    What else are they going to say? You don’t know about the visit of U.S. Congressman Eni Faleomavaega (D -- American Samoa) to Indonesia in July 2007. Just guess what deal he was making with the Indonesian government. Hint: Faleomavaega is a strong supporter of SoetorObama.
    “The Pakistani Embassy assures …”
    So? That doesn’t answer the question of what nationality SoetorObama was using when he entered Pakistan.
    —————————-
    Again, if he doesn’t have anything to hide — why is he hiding these documents (and others)?
    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/change-climate-claims-daschle.html#comment-196274

  9. Craig, how about -- because he has enough Repubs in his cabinet already without getting the real RW crazies?
    Solar, I hear ya. Bud has been my major beer since I was in college. I do drink the fancy stuff from time to time -- Sam Adams and Saranac around the holidays, and I admit to having a deep and abiding love for Bass on tap -- But there’s always Bud in the fridge in the basement. Yeah, when ol’ Sam started up WalMart -- after a long stint with Ben Franklin stores -- most of the stuff we bought here was made here, so that image of him having a Jones for American goods is a little misleading. Now WM only bought about 6% of its goods from China when he turned the CEO position over, but he did get the ball rolling, and it’s continued to roll on apace -- and in spades.
    Say, Solar -- you’re in the construction biz. What do you think the odds are of 2 Fluidmaster toilet fill valves that were installed in 2 toilets on the same day failing within one week of each other? The answer -- 100% in Mrs. P’s office.

  10. Craig, how about -- because he has enough Repubs in his cabinet already without getting the real RW crazies?
    Solar, I hear ya. Bud has been my major beer since I was in college. I do drink the fancy stuff from time to time -- Sam Adams and Saranac around the holidays, and I admit to having a deep and abiding love for Bass on tap -- But there’s always Bud in the fridge in the basement. Yeah, when ol’ Sam started up WalMart -- after a long stint with Ben Franklin stores -- most of the stuff we bought here was made here, so that image of him having a Jones for American goods is a little misleading. Now WM only bought about 6% of its goods from China when he turned the CEO position over, but he did get the ball rolling, and it’s continued to roll on apace -- and in spades.
    Say, Solar -- you’re in the construction biz. What do you think the odds are of 2 Fluidmaster toilet fill valves that were installed in 2 toilets on the same day failing within one week of each other? The answer -- 100% in Mrs. P’s office.

  11. Let me amend my last remarks : my WELL-DEMONSTRATED animus, which no one visiting this blog could have missed, stems from the abusive language and rudeness used by republicans who slavishly emulated the newt.
    The newt is just another (Gordon) Gecko, without the charm.

  12. Well I guess Cheney was right. There was a terrorist attack today.
    A doctor was blown up getting into his car. It looks the the Right Wing Christian Terrorists struck again.

  13. i’m just curious what does bipartisanship mean to some of you guys. Republicans doing everything the Democrats want? What does Obama’s bipartisan message mean to you, in practice?

  14. Xrep….. godspeed on your trip…. and I too will await your return….
    AP…. Tom Daschle left his first wife and 3 little children in order to marry his present wife who is a former beauty queen…. one could easily say it is just as callous to leave small children for a trophy wife…..
    I think Newty is so much fun to make fun of…..

  15. From TPM:
    “Yes, a palpably insane idea. But Craig Crawford at CQ is suggesting it.”
    Hey Craig. You wouldn’t still be campaigning for Hillary would you?

  16. From TPM:
    “Yes, a palpably insane idea. But Craig Crawford at CQ is suggesting it.”
    Hey Craig. You wouldn’t still be campaigning for Hillary would you?

  17. Champ,
    Do you really think the fault for excessive exec salaries lies with deregulation? I’m more inclined to go with Jamie’s cross-pollenation of compensation committees on the corporate boards. It was probably aided and abetted by mutual fund managers who didn’t care about exec salaries as long as they made their commissions and management fees.
    We little 401K owners just wanted to see our values rise. What do we know about how our shares are voted, or even if they are voted? “Just out-perform the market and I’ll keep having $$$ deducted from my pay.”
    If the corporation isn’t asking for bailout money, the federal government should have no input into executive compensation. To be clear, bidding for a federal contract does not equal asking for bailout money.

  18. Champ,
    Do you really think the fault for excessive exec salaries lies with deregulation? I’m more inclined to go with Jamie’s cross-pollenation of compensation committees on the corporate boards. It was probably aided and abetted by mutual fund managers who didn’t care about exec salaries as long as they made their commissions and management fees.
    We little 401K owners just wanted to see our values rise. What do we know about how our shares are voted, or even if they are voted? “Just out-perform the market and I’ll keep having $$$ deducted from my pay.”
    If the corporation isn’t asking for bailout money, the federal government should have no input into executive compensation. To be clear, bidding for a federal contract does not equal asking for bailout money.

  19. Are you insane? Sure, let’s put a guy who DOESN’T believe in universal health care in charge of HHS. What kind of drugs are you taking?

  20. RR…
    Was she being treated for Cancer or any other debilitating disease?
    There are many reasons for divorce, however when one is in the hospital possibly dying of a serious disease I don’t want the person who would work on my families medical care being the one who may decide that their illness is not a worthy illness to provide medical coverage for.
    He could have waited until she was out of the hospital before dumping her.
    Newt is no different then McCain who’s wife was faithful while he was a prisoner of war and then divorced her when he returned home for a women with a lot of money.

  21. well, gingrich’s personal history aside, one the biggest flaws in my argument for bipartisan health reform is that Democrats got Medicare passed without it (if i’ve got my history right, without a single Republican vote). just not sure Obama is LBJ when it comes to railroading Congress, even his own party. but maybe.

  22. What is being suggested is to follow along like the Democrats did when they were in the minority and the Repugs had the majority.
    Don’t let any Democratic idea be put into any bill or even listen to them. That’s the Republicans idea of bipartisanship.
    So now we need to cave into Republican demands. Screw them.

  23. ” What does Obama’s bipartisan message mean to you, in practice?”
    Hmm…that was partly why I didn’t support him in the first place. Screw the Kumbaya moment with Republicans.

  24. GORDO,
    How can you say that I don’t know about Faleomavaega ? You don’t know what I know.
    Of course, the Indonesian and Pakistani governments are going to tell the truth about this. Obviously, your sources don’t tell the truth. They lied when they said Americans were forbidden to enter Pakistan in the 80s. What else are they lying about ?
    What are you/they hiding, by refusing to tell who funds you/them ?
    There are no hidden documents except the ones documenting who is paying you and the other BC deniers. What are you hiding?

  25. Let President Obama really screw the Republican Party and make Michele HHS Secretary. Lets see them vote against her and see how the public responds when they do.

  26. Craig…
    I did and he has reached across the aisle and gotten his hand bitten because of it.
    He has already appointed Republicans to cabinet positions and Newt is not worthy to be in the same room as the new President.

  27. If Obama appoints Gingrich to anything above deck swabber, I’m taking back my vote, turning in my liberal credentials, and moving to a compound in Montana.

  28. Anon — dumping a long-time wife for a babe (who busted her butt getting him elected) isn’t quite the same as presenting the papers in the cancer ward. But you make it sound like its SOP.
    Daschle has some history, and it ain’t all pretty.

  29. AP…
    I’m not defending Newty….. I think there is no defense for what he did to his first wife….. Daschle’s first wife helped him get into Congress…… she campaigned many hours for him… as well as being the mother of his children….
    there are many examples of men dumping the wife who put them through college and/or doing heroic type things for their careers and then taking a trophy wife….
    physical sickness or not….. it’s just as indefensible, IMO…..

  30. “Yeah his having a Y chromosome had nothing to do with it. ”
    Not when I preferred the other candidate. However, the Kumbaya stuff, the quasi-religious campaign and deification of Ronald Reagan had quite a bit to do with it.
    But that’s in the past. BFD.

  31. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/recovery-reckoning.html#comment-196587
    Blue, The theory behind a totally global economy is that each country produces whatever it does best and a balance of trade exists with a certain equity between exports and inports.
    Unfortunately, that nasty little thing called greed enters the picture and the only thing we are exporting are jobs. The guys who exported all those nice manufacturing jobs are suddenly surprised when they find out that people who don’t have jobs or who are afraid of losing their job don’t buy the imports that are keeping them in business … oops
    When all those job losses were sort of invisible in poverty, lower income areas, they could be ignored. When they moved into the white collar areas and middle income, it attracted notice.

  32. Thanks, RebelliousRenee,
    Ya, the newt is alleged to have dumped the divorce papers on her as the orderlies were about to put her on the gurney to take her for cancer surgery.
    Didn’t the newt enjoy socialist medicine when he was a Congressman ? The Naval hospital or Walter Reed ?

  33. This is against my religion, but since XR isn’t around for a few days, I’ll provide one anecdote. GORDO, the only document that is relevant to the insane charges you make is the official birth certificate. It establishes that Obama is a “natural born” citizen, which other than age is the only requirement to be constitutionally eligible to serve as president. I know, you dispute that, but you’r ejust parroting the rantings of idiots. Most of the documents you refer to in all likelihood do not exist (hence, it would be hard to hide documents that don’t exist), and even if some of them did, they woudl not change Obama’s NBC status. Your COLB saw is ridiculous, and repeating the inane ramblings of your “expert” doesn’t make it any less so -- just for grins last weekend, because I needed a cop for a soccer tournament, I scanned my son’s BC -- it has a backgound pattern on a colored background and a raised seal that you can see on the original -- well, you can tell it’s there anyway -- and guess what? The seal completely disappeared on the image that resulted from the scan. Imagine that. I read your expert’s “analysis” of the copy and was led to believe that wasn’t possible. Does this prove the copy Obama posted way back when was genuine? Of course not. But it does demonstrate that the opinon of the expert you link to incessantly is just that -- an opinion -- and one that is not correct in every instance -- and in fact was not correct in 100% of the “experiments” I conducted on the issue. You think this proves nothing or that my attempt would not be useful as a defense on themerits in a court? Think again -- I’ve seen much worse pass muster as expert opinion before state court judges -- and I’ve seen much better expert opinion than is offered by your whore (it’s a term of art applied to experts in the legal system) rejected in federal courts. BTW, any cool developments in the “kick his ass out of office through court action” front? Any scheduling Orders entered? Motionstocompelgranted? Injunctions issued? I didn’t think so. With so many suits pending you’d think that there would be some news to report from at least ONE court -- but alas, no I suppose.

  34. Before I go let me clarify what I think about Daschle.
    He made a mistake, he paid his taxes, but he should have been more forth coming about it. Since it caused problems I have no problem with him not getting the position.
    Now why don’t we audit all members of congress both the House and Senate of every member for the last thirty years and see how many hands are clean.
    If there not impeach them and remove them. If were not going to do that then its pointless dwell on this. Otherwise lets get on with moving Our Country forward.

  35. Craig -- so far at least all of Obama’s selections for cabinet posts in his adminstration have been reasonably decent and civil human beings. It’s part of his game plan and his message to Americans. So doesn’t that requirement trump your argument for Newt here by default?

  36. RR…
    We just dumped one here in Florida who ran on family values with his wife and kids then when he won re election dumped her for a staffer on his campaign team.
    Sorry, but I can’t remember his name at the moment. Just remembered, Rick Keller.
    Now I have to get back and do some work as its almost time to go home.

  37. “He posted an illegitimate birth record to deflect questions and allegations.
    The “Certification of Live Birth” shown on FightTheSmears.com is not a birth certificate, but an image of an abstract that was invalidated by alteration. As indicated on that same image, the blacked out certification number invalidates the document. Document analysis shows it to be a suspected forgery.”
    http://defendourfreedoms.org/flysheet.html

  38. “He made a mistake, he paid his taxes, but he should have been more forth coming about it. ”
    I think this is the biggest part of the problem, anon. He should have told Obama’s vetting team this long ago. I can’t quite figure out when he did tell them, from the reporting. Although Bob Woodward was on Chris Matthews weekend show a week or so before this bomb dropped, and said the tax issue with nominees wasn’t over. So he must have known something.

  39. Xrep….
    well….. when you put it that graphically….. I’ll concede that what Newty did was despicable…. and what Daschle did was par for the course of a lot of men in power…. still doesn’t make it right….. and no…. I don’t think you’re saying that…..
    give the best to Sweetie also….

  40. Gordo — since you know that nobody cares about this, why-oh-why do you persist in this madness?

  41. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/why-not-gingrich-for-hhs.html#comment-196635
    EricR11 — OK flame throwers, light your torches. I know Newt has his flaws but in my time in DC he remains one of the smartest policy/politics combos i ever covered. he’s a skilled communicator to many (perhaps not most) conservatives and i think he could be an effective advocate for bipartisan health reform, a subject he’s been hyper-focused on for some time. why, even Oprah’s doctor takes him seriously: http://bit.ly/S5hM

  42. A truly bi-partisan approach will create a universal single payer healthcare plan for all Dems, and a “buy your own damn health insurance” plan for all republicans. That way both parties get what they want. It also helps level the social and and economic playing fields.
    Dems don’t need any depublican votes to fix health insurance.
    MN Governor “Potholes Aplenty” Pawlenty is trying to take my health insurance away. I think the guv wants to get assassinated by some sick old guy who has nothing to lose.

  43. lol
    —-“There are no hidden documents …”
    If so, then where can I see these? ——
    Reminds me of a three year old having a conversation with his mom
    “baby, we don’t have any candy”
    “do too, I want candy”
    “But there is no candy”
    “I want some”
    lol
    Jack

  44. Pogo
    Just getting back from exercising,,,I have to admit that is not that common,,,,I just installed two of them my self,,,,,,the whole kit is about 12 bucks,,,the cheapie ones,,,my guess is that the ones that you bought came up a little bit short,,,or long (the plastic angle thig a magig,,,,and got bent,,,????

  45. “The Certification of Live Birth is a suspected forgery.
    The border is one that is used in 2007 COLBs. As a security measure, Hawaii changes their borders every year. This is when the Obama campaign claims the certificate was obtained. However, the seal and signature stamp are from a 2008 COLB. As revealed by a process called edging, the Hawaiian seal and signature stamp on the back of the document are revealed to be from the wrong year. Document experts have analyzed other aspects and find forgery.”
    http://defendourfreedoms.org/flysheet.html

  46. Craig
    The key word you used is bipartisan.
    Bipartisan and Newt don’t often live on the same block, let alone get together in the same room.
    Giving the other side what they demand to shut them up isn’t bipartisanship. it is giving into black mail.
    If you were the parent of a 4 year old in the checkout lane you would understand the Republican strategy.
    Jack

  47. Dr. Dean on the other hand has actually done something about balancing budgets and reforming the health care system.
    As government officials there is no comparison. Newt is a parasite and Dr. Dean is not.

  48. Patsi,
    “Woodward . . . said the tax issue with nominees wasn’t over. So he must have known something.”
    You’re probably right, but he could have just been playing the odds.
    Craig,
    I guess I could listen to someone arguing for Newt in that position, but if Daschle was the best choice and Newt is second best, I’m afraid our country really is in trouble.
    Howard Dean wouldn’t be my first choice, but certainly he and Rahm need to bury the hatchet. Perhaps, someone could remind both of them that their side won.
    I have no idea why anyone thinks he’s qualified, but my pick would be Bill Bradley.

  49. Craig
    I have always thought that the Newt,,,was and is one of the sharpest politicians out there—R’s or D’s,,,don’t really like him,,,so If I can’t have E. R…I agree,,it would be a way to neutralize him, and a good head fake by Obama no??

  50. EdVB
    Bill Bradley is an interesting idea. Since leaving office he has spent a lot of time thinking about various government reforms.
    A lot of people respect him and he might be able to bring the interested parties to the table.
    http://www.billbradley.com/
    He was my candidate when he ran

  51. I like Dean. What is the “bad blood” between him and Rahm? On second thought, who cares? Let them get over it for the sake of the country.

  52. I like Dean. What is the “bad blood” between him and Rahm? On second thought, who cares? Let them get over it for the sake of the country.

  53. Re: Gingrich at HHS.
    That’s completely nuts Craig. I had guessed you were smarter than this. After reading your article, I couldn’t really spy out that it was satire/parody so I’m taking it at face value.
    Suffice to say, that jumping off a 500-foot cliff with the idea that I might grow wings on the way down and learn to fly before I hit the ground would be a bold move as well.
    On a side note, for those still pimping the Obama birth certificate stuff, please redouble your efforts since it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to see this issue still being flogged to death.
    All the better, please find a right-wing Republican in the house to hold hearings on the subject.
    The more the better.

  54. Re: Gingrich at HHS.
    That’s completely nuts Craig. I had guessed you were smarter than this. After reading your article, I couldn’t really spy out that it was satire/parody so I’m taking it at face value.
    Suffice to say, that jumping off a 500-foot cliff with the idea that I might grow wings on the way down and learn to fly before I hit the ground would be a bold move as well.
    On a side note, for those still pimping the Obama birth certificate stuff, please redouble your efforts since it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to see this issue still being flogged to death.
    All the better, please find a right-wing Republican in the house to hold hearings on the subject.
    The more the better.

  55. he would get his orders to get Health Care done,,,by Obama before he was put in that position?

  56. he would get his orders to get Health Care done,,,by Obama before he was put in that position?

  57. Solar -- who knows? These had worked for 5 years before they failed. Fluidmaster is Lowes’ primary repair valve, and they both just quit stopping the water from flowing. I’ve used FM valves for about 15 years now with no failures until now (have probably installed 12 of them in that period). At $6.94 each to replace I don’t consider it a big deal, but I just found it highly weird that they would both fail within a week of each other.
    BTW, nah, just filling in for XR while he’s gone walkabout.
    HMMM. No footnote to that quote Gordo. Lessee -- unamed expert mentioned on RW smear cite claims HI does this and that with their COLBs without citing any HI authority confirming the this and that. Yep, that’s compelling alright. Now I’m convinced -- how about you, XR?

  58. Monica -- we have our Gordo. He’s the only RW repub we could find who thinks it’s worth flogging.

  59. Pogo—got u,,,thought that u were talking new ones,,,,,that really had me going,,,,but both of them going out at the same time is interesting,,,,same water pressure,,same amount of water,or,,or, or,--not going to sleep tonight,,,,,,tanks.

  60. Pogo—got u,,,thought that u were talking new ones,,,,,that really had me going,,,,but both of them going out at the same time is interesting,,,,same water pressure,,same amount of water,or,,or, or,--not going to sleep tonight,,,,,,tanks.

  61. I like Howard Dean…. but they were discussing this morning on the Diane Rehm Show about the fact that Dean doesn’t have the contacts in government that a former Congressman or Senator does….. considering that….. I really do like Bill Bradley…..
    KGC…. Frist would fill both the requirements of someone in the medical field and a former Congress critter…. but the YUCK factor is HUGE…… (don’t worry…. I know you’re joking)

  62. Pogo is correct, documents that never existed cannot be hidden.
    There never was an Indonesian passport or a legal change of name in that country. There never was a Kenyan birth certificate.
    I have been asking myself what might be the purpose of such a huge effort to build something inflammatory out of nothing. I no longer think that this is a case of a lone-crazed posters around the country. I think that the BC Denier co-conspiritors are attempting to recruit and incite a new sirhan/bremer/hinckley. I say that it is extremely important to know who is funding the BC Denier conspiracy.

  63. “Quick, name three past secretaries of HHS. Okay, two? One?”
    Tommy Thompson. Didn’t even have to look it up.
    Why do members of the media think we’re all morons?
    “i’m just curious what does bipartisanship mean to some of you guys. Republicans doing everything the Democrats want? What does Obama’s bipartisan message mean to you, in practice?”
    Is this a serious question?
    The stimulus bill has been shredded, packed full of Republican ideological claptrap that everyone knows will do nothing to solve our problems. The House votes against it unanimously, the Republican senators wail and moan, threaten a filibuster, and TV news shows host Republicans 2-1 while never questioning their mind-boggling claims like how spending on transit construction doesn’t create jobs. RNC prop Michael Steele tells us that “never in the history of mankind has government ever created a job” — did they privatize the entire military? Has the New Deal completely evaporated from the history books? Will anyone challenge Republicans on any of the nonsense they are spreading?
    The Republican bamboozlement, lies, bad faith and misdirection is flooding our conversation, and you ask if bipartisanship means REPUBLICANS doing everything the DEMOCRATS ask? What planet are you on?
    Craig, our national conversation during a time of crisis is an embarrassment, and the media — including you — are making it worse.
    Bipartisanship means taking objectively proven effective policies and putting them in place, regardless of which party they come from.
    This isn’t black magic, it’s actually quite simple. And the media has made it worse by highlighting every Republican whine over, what, 1% of the stimulus plan? 2%?
    Why not highlighting the fact that Republicans have given up NOTHING in our little exercise in bipartisanship. You’ve got GOP spokespersons like Rush Limbaugh ACTIVELY campaigning for our situation to deteriorate. How is THAT not the top story? If some obscure liberal professor said the same thing to his 15-person study group it would be front pages news.
    It is impossible to have an adult conversation in this country, and that’s why we’re swirling the bowl.
    We are Rome, and our poisoned aqueducts is the national media conversation.

  64. Posted by: Ivy Green Author Profile Page | February 4, 2009 3:17 PM
    what about his family business being involved in fraud?
    I guess that would give him insight to correcting the problem
    :)

  65. Pogo,
    Gordo . . . worth flogging.
    It sounds a little draconian, but I can’t say I’m against it.
    Oh wait, I just re-read your post. You had other words in between. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
    Also, for the record GORDO, I’m just kidding. I’d take a flogging to preserve your right to be wrong.

  66. OK, Solar, this should keep you up -- the one that failed today is used probably less than 1/5 as often as the one that failed last week and is on a floor that is not actively used and is kept about 15 degrees cooler in the winter and 10 degrees warmer in the summer. As for me, I’m betting on coincidence.

  67. Helen Thomas,,,siting in the front row , at the white house briefing,,,,,thats the way that I want to go out,,,,,doing the things that I love doing,,,,,not retiring and cutting the grass twice a wk—-get this economy going,,,that is the most important thing to do now!!!

  68. Stop it,,,,,my head hurts,,,,,you got it —a big coincidence…/whew Im glad thats over :0)

  69. If you want a serious approach from the right the appropriate choice would be Dr Ron Paul. At least he walks his talk.

  70. “Why not have Obama just go to the other side and become a Repug?”
    ETom….. now THAT would be the ultimate case of bi-partisanship…….
    ROTFLMAO!!

  71. “… documents that never existed cannot be hidden.”
    Are you saying these documents never existed?
    -- Certified copy of original long vault birth certificate
    -- Certified copies of any and all passports and passport applications held in the U.S.
    -- Certified copies of any and all school applications, school registrations, grant or student loan applications or funding received for Occidental College, Columbia University, Columbia College, Harvard University
    -- Certified copies of any U.S. Port of Entry Records
    -- Certified copies of any documentation pertaining to Social Security.

  72. Gee let’s not forget Tom Coburn --after all isn’t he Obama’s best friend?..another rightwing doctor in the senate

  73. Pogo
    Things are getting a little weird ,,,I just opened my mailbox,,and I recieved two( not one ) pamphlets for detecting toilet leaks,,,,it say did you know that a leaky toilet can waste 75 gallons a day,,,,,now if one of your toilets leaks 1/5 less what does that come up to?? and then it has a little bag of toilet dye to help detect the leak, Ok HuH,,,,well my brain is all flushed out now—lunch..hahaha

  74. Ivy
    The Frist family fraud is old news..and Dr. Kitty killer was directly involved so he says.
    Frist was born rich, and got richer — thanks to massive criminal fraud by the family business. The basis of the Frist family fortune is HCA Inc. (Hospital Corporation of America), the largest for-profit hospital chain in the country, which was founded by Frist‘s father and brother. And, just as Karl Rove was engineering the scuttling of Trent Lott and the elevation of Frist, the Bush Justice Department suddenly ended a near-decadelong federal investigation into how HCA for years had defrauded Medicaid, Medicare and Tricare (the federal program that covers the military and their families), giving the greedy health-care behemoth’s executives a sweetheart settlement that kept them out of the can.
    The government‘s case was that HCA kept two sets of books and fraudulently overbilled the government. The deal meant that HCA agreed to pay the government $631 million for its lucrative scams — which, on top of previous fines, brought the total government penalties against the health-care conglomerate to a whopping $1.7 billion, the largest fraud settlement in history, breaking the old record set by Drexel Burnham.
    The deal also meant that HCA can continue to participate in Medicare. And, as part of the Bushies’ deal shutting down what Deputy Assistant FBI Director Thomas Kubic called “one of the FBI‘s highest-priority white-collar crime investigations,” no criminal charges were brought against the top HCA execs who presided over the illegal bilking of federal programs designed to aid the poor — and that includes Senator Frist’s brother, Thomas, HCA‘s former CEO (and current director), who’s been described by Forbes magazine as “one of the richest men in America,” with a personal fortune estimated at close to $2 billion.
    http://www.laweekly.com/2003-01-16/news/the-bad-doctor

  75. oopsDr. Kitty killer was directly involved so he says. should read
    Dr. Kitty Killer wasn’t directly involved…cuz his shares were in a blind trust still he kept the money

  76. Craig, I think you will be surprised by how many Americans know the medical system inside and out. No one ever asks us, ordinary, dorky Americans for solutions to reform the medical system. It’s not a solution to hand us money to hand to the insurance companies who won’t let us get MRIs or physical therapy. Personally I used to work in the front office, as opposed to the dirty corporate back office, of a medical services company. The majority of clients were very smart. The problem starts in the pricing schedules, and the price schedules are manipulated by lawyers, and before you know it no one pays the same price for the same service, and then for the doctor to make money he jacks his rates higher and higher. Same goes for drugs.

  77. My vote is for Dean. At least he was a doctor. Granted he over paid his lawyers like all doctors do. I’m sure he has some choice words for lawyers, like we all do.

  78. What a stinker of an idea!
    Gingrich is adamantly opposed to reform of the health care system that wold provide universal coverage. Gingrich would use the post to make Obama look bad, to position himself for office and to feed his massive ego.
    Gingrich’s policies have been rejected by the American people.

  79. Evdb-
    Yes, because before these mega-corporations were possible due to regulatory constraints, executives of a failing company had to either turn their business around or go belly-up. Now, the same type of failing management just sells the operation to their largest competitor, grifts a few billion or so off the top for themselves, and lets the acquiring company absorb the losses on their books. Of course, there’s other factors at play like you mentioned.
    To be terse, I don’t think we should abandon Capitalism in favor of socialism just because regulatory agencies have been neutered or are just incompetent. Fix them and repeal all those bullshit deregulation laws that undermined consumer protections and competition.

  80. See all those 6’s in your post number? I’m sure 3 of them are there because you mentioned that man’s name!
    LOL probably true

  81. Ron Paul is smart!
    “…But government already is involved in roughly two-thirds of all health care spending, through Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs.
    For decades, the U.S. healthcare system was the envy of the entire world. Not coincidentally, there was far less government involvement in medicine during this time. America had the finest doctors and hospitals, patients enjoyed high-quality, affordable medical care, and thousands of private charities provided health services for the poor. Doctors focused on treating patients, without the red tape and threat of lawsuits that plague the profession today. Most Americans paid cash for basic services, and had insurance only for major illnesses and accidents. This meant both doctors and patients had an incentive to keep costs down, as the patient was directly responsible for payment, rather than an HMO or government program.
    The lesson is clear: when government and other third parties get involved, health care costs spiral. The answer is not a system of outright socialized medicine, but rather a system that encourages everyone – doctors, hospitals, patients, and drug companies – to keep costs down. As long as “somebody else” is paying the bill, the bill will be too high.”
    -From the link KGC posted above
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html

  82. f you want a serious approach from the right the appropriate choice would be Dr Ron Paul. At least he walks his talk.
    Posted by: Katherine Graham Cracker Author Profile Page | February 4, 2009 3:29 PM
    If Paul gets the nomination, I will buy one of those Maoist/Guevara-esque Obama T-shirts and wear it around town. Maybe I’ll get a car sticker, too.

  83. I am open to the suggestion. My 1st question is “Has he ever worked FOR anyone?” I am sure he has in the past, but not in any of his well known work.
    It is an interesting to sort of work things out with Repugnicans before you take it to the hill. If you could actually take a bi-partisan Universal HC bill up there, get it passed easily, that could be pretty cool.
    Like any large venture, it can and will be changed as time goes on. One thing we know is that no country has ever decided to go back. It’s like black, once you go there.

  84. Little idea for you, Craig, to encourage participation from passers-by and keep the thread on topice, and then I’ll shut up:
    Put a featured post or two each day in the margin, biased towards non-regulars and newer participants. Something relevant and cogent. It will make people feel like their voices are being heard. Like Tom, for instance. Every newspaper in the country does that with the “letters to the editor” section.
    Your welcome.

  85. Jack, that could be it -- there is some galvanized pipe in the place. But the only repairs we’ve done in the last oh, 5 years, is replace the toilet fill valves. But a flake could easily have lodged in the valve seat, holding the valve open. Just odd it happened to both of them about the same time. Go figger. Just means this flake has to fix ‘em.

  86. I think Speaker Gingrich would be a good choice for HHS~ not sure he would want it though. I agree that Dr. Paul would be a great choice he has experience in the healthcare field with hands on experience with the “system” we presently have. Although, once again not sure he would want it.
    I’m not one to delve into one’s personal life but I caution there are two sides to every story and then there is the truth which is normally somewhere in between. If it is that Speaker Gingrich’s wife was going to divorce him before she became ill or if they were having such problems in their marriage that they both desired to divorce and move forward with their lives would that make a difference in public opinion?
    I’m just saying there might be a plausible reason for the split.

  87. “Time to hand the bong back to Michael Phelps, Craig. — Posted by: Dave”
    ha, good one dave. does that mean i can also eat 12,000 calories a day? sweet!

  88. Ron Paul would be TERRIBLE for HHS. I kind of get a kick out of him, but puh-leeze! He would never support a real health care system. He IS the system. He believes that his giving a few people free care is how things should work. Typical Republican attitude. Plus, who knows what he’d do to abortion clinics.

  89. bi-partisan would mean liberal and conservative men and ladies of character, actually collaborating on solving problems and finding the answers…….but then…..for whom? many governments have tried to find a way to bridge the gap and make a workable arrangement of government between the high guys and the low guys……so it always comes down to warring factions….the blues and the greens…….yada, yada…….
    I have no desire to see “bi-partisanship” in any fashion…….the gop ran the roost for the last 8 and now it’s time to tell them to sit down and shut up……..
    bi-partisan, phooie.

  90. Gordo, you (well not you, but your “expert”) don’t want any of those documents to prove or disprove anything. You only want those documents to pick apart and claim they were altered. The COLB was just a warm up, but now your guy has to be cooled down and ready for another document to “refute.” The “ten things” paper just has too many “ifs” in it to be taken as anything other than midnight ramblings of a would-be hero of the right. They sit on foundations of supposition and innuendo. No one so accused with any sense takes anything like that seriously enough to respond seriously. The POTUS is no exception. And aren’t any of the nutcases who brought the suits reporting to the RW world any news on the litigation front? Motions, discovery, orders -- you know, legal kinds of things? We depend on you to keep us abreast of developments. Get to work.
    Now, I gotta go -- everyone be happy and safe.

  91. “The ad campaign by this extreme fringe group, as Alaskans have witnessed over the last several years, distorts the facts about Alaska’s wildlife management programs,” Palin said.
    Again Palin doesn’t know what she’s talking about…..Defenders of Wildlife are not even remotely “extreme fringe”….
    Founded in 1947, Defenders of Wildlife is one of the country’s leaders in science-based, results-oriented wildlife conservation. We stand out in our commitment to saving imperiled wildlife and championing the Endangered Species Act, the landmark law that protects them.
    http://www.defenders.org/about_us/index.php

  92. Hey…. I just heard on NPR that my Democratic Congressman, Paul Hodes, has announced he will be running for Judd Gregg’s Senate seat in 2010…..
    he’s very popular…. I bet he turns that seat Democratic!
    YEEEEHAAAAAW

  93. really like Obama’s speech today at his childrens’ health signing. more relaxed and confident that in his recent appearances. now, all we have to do is get out there and smoke more cigarettes to pay for it

  94. Champ,
    Thanks for your response on executive comp. Good points. Total disregard for regulating definitely played a hand in the formation of these mega-corporations. All hoping to get so big, they’d be “too big to fail.”
    Yeah, that’s worked well for all of us.
    Gotta run. Have a good night all.

  95. If you had children would it concern you if a registered pedophile moved into your neighborhood?
    What about a convicted rapist?
    A known drug trafficker?
    A leader of a notorious gang?
    Now remove the qualifiers; registered, convicted, known, leader.
    Are you still concern?

  96. I used to be an anarchist but there were just too many rules………………
    --Abby on NCIS

  97. Newt is so far afield of any sane Democrat’s choice, you may as well put Sarah Palin in there.
    Why not pick McCain as VP and resign too.
    Blech.

  98. “Increasing the federal tobacco tax to fund SCHIP is a win-win proposal that will help children get the health care they need, while also acting as a deterrent to young smokers and potential smokers. Studies show that for every 10 percent increase in the price of cigarettes youth smoking is reduced by seven percent, and overall tobacco consumption is reduced by four percent. Higher tobacco taxes result in lower smoking rates in the long run, which will generate long-term health care savings — as fewer smokers means fewer people with strokes, heart attacks, cancer and other smoking-related conditions.”
    http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/no-index/news-events/ama-cheers-new-law.shtml

  99. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/02/why-not-gingrich-for-hhs.html#comment-196737
    Craig
    Funding the good things by taxing the bad things makes absolutely no sense. One branch of the government spends millions upon millions to tell you to stop smoking or you will die while another branch wants more and more millions to keep children from dying.
    Why not stop all monies spent on “stop smoking campaigns” and all subsidies to Tobacco farmers unless they grow another crop and taking that money to fund SCHIP.

  100. Craig --
    Sure , pick Newt …….. I’m sure Newt doesn’t have any tax problems.
    note to the reader :
    This is the best sarcasm I muster today.

  101. bring some rationality to it. Where are those three going to get rationality? At the 7/11
    What a joke --three of the biggest whimps and back stabbers are now the voices of reasons --more like the voice of Quislings

  102. > Joe Scarborough has a new book coming out in May, Random House subsidiary Crown Forum has announced. “The book will offer a searing indictment of the Republican leaders who destroyed their party and crippled our country,” according to a statement from the publisher, “while offering a clear path of recovery to conservatives who are ready to take their country back.”
    ———————
    The party of ideas.

  103. Tobacco farmers do not receive subsidies anymore and haven’t for awhile..(.that’s why they have all switched to growing pot.) kidding about the pot

  104. Joe morning load, the mayor of looneyville is writing an autobiography

  105. WTF. How about Rush Limbaugh or the former CEO of United Health. Do you actually believe what you just wrote?

  106. so, the big point for crawford is that appointing gingrinch is that it will piss off liberals.
    what a perfect illustration of the utter bankruptcy that passes for thoughtful, informed insight from a longtime member of the village cluckcircuit.

  107. “As much as it would infuriate liberals, picking Gingrich would be a hyper-bipartisan move. Would it confound the GOP into submission on health care? Maybe not, but it would be a bold move to change the political dynamics that have killed reforms in the past.”
    God, Craig, you are an idiot.

  108. “As much as it would infuriate liberals, picking Gingrich would be a hyper-bipartisan move. Would it confound the GOP into submission on health care? Maybe not, but it would be a bold move to change the political dynamics that have killed reforms in the past.”
    God, Craig, you are an idiot.

  109. Gingrich for HHS?
    02.04.09 — 1:37PM
    By Josh Marshall
    Yes, a palpably insane idea. But Craig Crawford at CQ is suggesting it. And in the current climate of completely whacked decision-making, perhaps it could actually happen?
    ——————————-
    Craig Crawford’s Trail Mix ………….. “Home of the palpably insane idea ”
    Paging Dr. Moe, Dr. Larry, Dr. Curly

  110. Gingrich for HHS?
    02.04.09 — 1:37PM
    By Josh Marshall
    Yes, a palpably insane idea. But Craig Crawford at CQ is suggesting it. And in the current climate of completely whacked decision-making, perhaps it could actually happen?
    ——————————-
    Craig Crawford’s Trail Mix ………….. “Home of the palpably insane idea ”
    Paging Dr. Moe, Dr. Larry, Dr. Curly

  111. RR --
    Yep, but I sure like the tagline that popped in my head.
    “Home of the palpably insane idea ”
    Fits like O.J.’s glove.

  112. Renee
    Everytime Craig twitters, the drive bys drop out of the tubes on to this little place in the nets. Pretty rude bunch but they quickly pass and depart.

  113. Should have gone and looked at this earlier today --
    Thought for the day :
    ” Put your brain in gear before starting your mouth. ”

  114. Step away from the peanuts..lots more peanut products recalled --no bridge mix and pretty much anything else with a peanut in it.

  115. I am totally down with the ” palpably insane idea ” as long as it’s a product of bipartisan support.

  116. You’re kidding, right? Seriously, Craig, if you want to be taken seriously, you’ve got to cease and desist with the ridiculousness, even in the alternative universe of Washington.
    All you guys in DC need to get out more often. And by “out,” I mean get a real job.

  117. Is it just me, or does anybody else see the irony of peanuts in the Trail Mix ?

  118. Hot Nuts if I could remember anything this would be a college memory.
    Bethy
    this is the spare the air web site
    http://www.sparetheair.org/ Apparently the we had stagnant air and it is staying…at least through tomorrow when it is supposed to start raining a little

  119. Craig -- You and the Villagers are fucking idiots who are destroying our country. Get a real job.

  120. Posted by: whskyjack Author Profile Page | February 4, 2009 6:46 PM
    They aren’t going to do anything. They never have and they never will. They are ineffectual losers who think by being contrarians they appear thoughtful. They don’t have the brains or moral fiber of a Lincoln Chafee --they are just fat and lazy public pigs feeding at the trough rather than getting a real job.

  121. KGC
    With the dynamics of the senate all they have to do is drag their feet and whine. If they do it in unison as they are right now they win. That is the thing about the senate, one senator can be king if all he has to do is say no at the right time.
    Jack

  122. And what will that accomplish? If you look at what they are doing it amounts to grandstanding and nothing more.
    These are the same people who fell all over themselves to support the Bush TARP program
    Just saying no isn’t being thoughtful or helpful.
    If Obama caves into to their crap, he will end up being a one term president.

  123. If I were Obama I would stop sending out emails asking for more money and ask my supporters to contact the obstructionists blocking progress to get on board…to write letters to the editors etc. He needs to get the public on board with the legislation.

  124. Craig, you been hanging out with Michael Phelps? If they wanted to pick someone who cheated on his wife while she was battling cancer, they’d pick John Edwards.

  125. .
    Posted by: Corey Author Profile Page | February 4, 2009 7:23 PM
    Snap!

  126. Solar
    A tube of silicone goes for about 6 bucks That’s about a cup I would guess. Lets see there are 16 cups to the gallon. 6 times 16 is 96 so I guess It’s about a hundred bucks worth of silicone, caulk that is.
    Jack

  127. I’ve been watching Craig Ferguson lately, he makes a lot of jokes that get his audience to go “Ooh!!!!” Then he’ll say “Come on! It’s just a joke!”

  128. Jack
    Yes but you forgot the refinery(hospital) and the distributor (Doctor),,,,what a waste,,,,,,,,and then Ive reports that , the founder of the Habitat for Humanity has died,,,,things don’t make sense some times,,,,,,now he was a Christian that practiced what he didn’t preach,,,he just went out there and did a whole lot of good,,,,,then the devil boy D Cheney,,has had a few heart problems and never seems to go away,,,,I don’t wish that he die,,,,but maybe some one up there (or down there) could have switched them around a little no?

  129. “I think this maybe one for your book.
    Bizarre”
    No kidding! That’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. And I’ve been to the Garden of Eden in Lucas, Kansas.

  130. Sturge -- I love Abby’s comments, too. She’s very funny and extremely relevant.
    Gingrich? He’s smart and out for himself completely, which is why he’s a repub. He knows liberals would foil any of his plans -- not that liberals cant’/don’t use the system, too. Newt sees more opportunity in the repubs.
    I have heard several say that if executives’ pay gets cut, their talent will go elsewhere. That doesn’t scare me.
    What talent?
    Supply and demand may set prices for things, but using that gauge for setting the price for people is very short-sighted, I think. I really really think the work done by’workers’ is every bit as valuable and relevant as the
    work done by executives -- it is as difficult and necessary. So why do the execs get paid more?
    In my opinion it is because there are so many workers -- the supply generally seems to be endless. In one of the movies I used to show my students, a young immigrant boy ca 1900 wanted his father’s boss to hold the job often till his dad healed. The boss said,
    If your horse gets hurt, you get anutter horse -- there are plenty of guys like your dad.
    I’ll guarantee you there are people out there prepared to take half a million as salary to be ceo. They never get a chance because there is a bottleneck at the top -- the ceo’s already there aren’t going to give way to an up-and-coming exec type who will happily accept a reasonable salary. Who knows, that new ceo might do a better job -- they could hardly do a worse one.
    What I’d like to see happen, but which won’t, obviously, is more regulation of public companies in order to protect the public and the nation’s economy.
    Any company whose stock is offered to the public should have to abide by certain rules re salary and other compensation, and re the make-up of boards of directors -- no board member could sit on any other board (or something equable) and have no conflict of
    interests. Their compensation should also be reasonable and straightforward.
    Clearing the way for other ceo’s might require fewer conglomerates -- so what? They don’t work anyway!!!!!
    One other thing I’ve thought about is criminalizing
    “doing violence to the national economy.” I know -- how could you write it? But Enron so disgusted me that I see it as a selfish act that amounted to economic violence.

  131. the single stupidest idea I have heard all week. Apparently “bipartisan” means screwing the Democrats to make republicans happy.

  132. Bethy
    Fantastic post,,,,,I know that there are no executives or athletes for that matter that are worth 400 to 1 any where…Although I put in the policies that my co. is run under, I am mindful that I am no better than the worker that helps me implement that policy,I do deserve a just reward for the experience that I have,and for the risks that I take,,and Investment etc,,,but not 400 to 1,,,nice post,,,have any pics yet,,,of the little space traveler?
    PS—Another great post was Carols, about the Owl’s I agree with you there also,,give you my reasons some other time.

  133. Keep in mind that, when pressed, Republicans can’t come up with more than 1% or 2% of the bill to criticize as “pork.” All of those could be taken out -- I don’t think it’s necessary, but hypothetically -- and the bill would essentially be exactly the same in size. So to eliminate enough spending to actually cut the bill, you’d have to get rid of things that would create lots of jobs and actually leave something tangible for the future, whether in health care or education or energy or infrastructure. This is what Republicans are demanding, because they wouldn’t dare slash the tax cuts.
    Meanwhile, the same people who say they don’t want the bill larded up with things that aren’t germane want to use it to lower mortgage rates to 4% and give giant tax incentives to homebuyers, reinflating the housing bubble and hoping everyone can just get to the next election cycle on its back. This is serious lunacy, and it’s infected both parties. We have to fix the housing crisis, which is very central to the overall meltdown, and in particular stop foreclosures (which most of the Democratic plans try to do). But reinflating the bubble at a time when houses aren’t at the price they historically should be is mountains of stupid.
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/death-cab-for-stimulus-by-dday-senate.html

  134. Keep in mind that, when pressed, Republicans can’t come up with more than 1% or 2% of the bill to criticize as “pork.” All of those could be taken out -- I don’t think it’s necessary, but hypothetically -- and the bill would essentially be exactly the same in size. So to eliminate enough spending to actually cut the bill, you’d have to get rid of things that would create lots of jobs and actually leave something tangible for the future, whether in health care or education or energy or infrastructure. This is what Republicans are demanding, because they wouldn’t dare slash the tax cuts.
    Meanwhile, the same people who say they don’t want the bill larded up with things that aren’t germane want to use it to lower mortgage rates to 4% and give giant tax incentives to homebuyers, reinflating the housing bubble and hoping everyone can just get to the next election cycle on its back. This is serious lunacy, and it’s infected both parties. We have to fix the housing crisis, which is very central to the overall meltdown, and in particular stop foreclosures (which most of the Democratic plans try to do). But reinflating the bubble at a time when houses aren’t at the price they historically should be is mountains of stupid.
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/death-cab-for-stimulus-by-dday-senate.html

  135. Well done Craig, you gave the ant hill a good kick, and really stirred things up. They are all worked up and scurrying all over the place.
    I suggest that they leave the cabinet post empty and let a seasoned bureaucrat run it. It would probably function better.

  136. Well done Craig, you gave the ant hill a good kick, and really stirred things up. They are all worked up and scurrying all over the place.
    I suggest that they leave the cabinet post empty and let a seasoned bureaucrat run it. It would probably function better.

  137. Senate gives tax break to bottom feeders but won’t fix the bankruptcy law so people can keep their homes
    Senate approves $15,000 tax credit for homebuyers
    By DAVID ESPO, Associated Press Writer
    Wednesday, February 4, 2009
    (02-04) 16:56 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) —
    The Senate voted Wednesday night to give a tax break of up to $15,000 to homebuyers in hopes of revitalizing the housing industry, a victory for Republicans eager to leave their mark on a mammoth economic stimulus bill at the heart of President Barack Obama’s recovery plan. The tax break was approved without dissent and came on a day in which Obama pushed back pointedly against Republican critics of the legislation even as he reached across party lines to consider a reduction in the spending it contains.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/02/04/national/w081510S36.DTL&type=printable

  138. Senate gives tax break to bottom feeders but won’t fix the bankruptcy law so people can keep their homes
    Senate approves $15,000 tax credit for homebuyers
    By DAVID ESPO, Associated Press Writer
    Wednesday, February 4, 2009
    (02-04) 16:56 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) —
    The Senate voted Wednesday night to give a tax break of up to $15,000 to homebuyers in hopes of revitalizing the housing industry, a victory for Republicans eager to leave their mark on a mammoth economic stimulus bill at the heart of President Barack Obama’s recovery plan. The tax break was approved without dissent and came on a day in which Obama pushed back pointedly against Republican critics of the legislation even as he reached across party lines to consider a reduction in the spending it contains.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/02/04/national/w081510S36.DTL&type=printable

  139. There is few smarter than Newt. He is well informed on what it would take to work the Health Care issue. I am not sure I want Newt in the Obama administration. What I would really like to see is New for President in 2012! How about a draft Newt for President campaign!

  140. There is few smarter than Newt. He is well informed on what it would take to work the Health Care issue. I am not sure I want Newt in the Obama administration. What I would really like to see is New for President in 2012! How about a draft Newt for President campaign!

  141. Ray
    Works for me, as there are few as able at shooting themselves in the foot either.
    Only one I can think that would be better is Rudi
    Jack

  142. Ray
    Works for me, as there are few as able at shooting themselves in the foot either.
    Only one I can think that would be better is Rudi
    Jack

  143. “I’ll guarantee you there are people out there prepared to take half a million as salary to be ceo. They never get a chance because there is a bottleneck at the top -- the ceo’s already there aren’t going to give way to an up-and-coming exec type who will happily accept a reasonable salary. Who knows, that new ceo might do a better job -- they could hardly do a worse one.”
    Well said, Bethy!

  144. looks like another fumble by team Obama.
    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/02/04/zinni_unloads
    When retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni told the Washington Times today that he was offered the job of U.S. ambassador to Iraq before being passed over in favor of diplomat Christopher Hill, he did not say that one of the outrages of the experience was that his friend of 30 years, fellow former Marine Corps commandant and now national security advisor James L. Jones had offered him the job, and then failed to tell him when the decision was changed.

  145. Craig is at the Correspondents Dinner. I know it’s February 4. Has he broken anything yet this year?

  146. Just catching up….
    NEWT is a GREAT Choice….
    I just skimmed the responses…
    Fact is he is the most active of all the names mentioned.
    So all you C-listers that are jumping off at the thought of a contract for a Healthy America -- You need to get your facts. You will be surprised at what Newt has done in this area.
    Gosh -- I wish I would have thought of Newt…
    Craig A++++

  147. You will be surprised at what Newt has done in this area.
    not surprised at all..just look at his web site
    pretty much what you would expect from Newt lots of big words and no action.
    Online medical records are aready happening thanks to the AMA ..Newt is suggesting nothing to solve the healthcare crisis in America

  148. KGC
    I would prefer medical records that were with the patient. Just put my life on my flash drive so I know who gets it.
    Jack

  149. KCG -- the AMA is not driving on line records and the Healthcare infrastructure is a long way off.
    This is why Healthcare IT is one of the biggest items in the Stimulus -- it is not happening -- do not be fooled by what you hear.
    Hospitals are very disfunctional and a long way to go which is much more then just records on line -- Newt address this issue and is very involved and truly understands the front line

  150. Of all the voices berating the Republican Party for its culture of corruption, none rings more hollow than Newt Gingrich’s. According to the Associated Press, the former House Speaker has said he is considering running for President in 2008. Now, in preparation, he is leading a stampede of corrupt Republicans desperate to distance themselves from the money-for-votes scandal plaguing the nation’s capital.
    But incredibly, reporters now ignore all of this, as it conflicts with the story line of Gingrich-as-clean-money-reformer--even while Gingrich himself is employed as a corporate shill. He is the head of the Center for Health Transformation--an organization, the Times recently noted, financed mostly by corporations that “pay yearly fees of up to $200,000″ for Gingrich’s legislative expertise in pushing corporate America’s profit-at-all-cost healthcare agenda

  151. KCG -- What is your point? These are key drivers and vested interest in making improvements in Healthcare?
    No different then the beloved Dashle -- And Newt is developing solutions that work

  152. KCG -- If Hospitals do not cover there expenses then they close their doors?
    What is wrong with Profits?
    If I find a way to give you better healthcare at lower costs with better outcomes?
    Why do you not like this very basic concept?
    It is why you can have the advances that are available to you today -- if this goes away -- sorry but so do your advances.
    You want to go back to the dark ages?

  153. What solution is Newt developing that works?
    What’s your point Ping. Newt is nothing but a shill for insurance companies --the very groups that have created the healthcare divide.

  154. Hey Brain…. Ballon looks like a real quality site.. Glad I visitied the ONE time
    Find something of substantiated value…
    And hey good evening… hope you are doing well

  155. Ping the dark ages…give me a break…
    that is the dumbest argument and no one is suggesting people not be paid for services--what a pile of poop.
    You’ve got nothing

  156. Well I see that Dick Heinrich Himmler Cheney is now threatening to commit a terrorist attack on us.
    Just like the Nazi’s destroyed the Reichstag and blamed the Jews Cheney was more than likely involved in the twin towers terrorist attack. Now he’s going to commit another act of terrorism against America.
    He needs to be named an Enemy Combatant immediately and shipped off to one of those black site prisons for immediate interrogation to find out who else is involved in Cheney’s Terrorist Cell.

  157. lol
    looks like a tough week for all the Obama koolaid drinkers if Craig has become the talk of the liberal blogospere.
    Starting to get worried?
    Jack

  158. Newt has a real understanding of what is happening in the hospitals that are in your backyard.
    The future to lower Healthcare cost is Innovation -- not stopping where we are now.
    Also you are correct in the Economics -- insurance or Medicare -do not respond well to improvements.
    Another big issue is defensive Medicine for legal reasons.
    And one HUGE issue is the HUGE Americans that we must take care of ourselves.
    Check out his site and you will see good detail

  159. Ping
    I’ve been to his site
    there is nothing there that others haven’t already proposed or is already in operation. Newt is just a copycat and and not a very good one. His proposals take good ideas and twist them into support for the very people who have caused the system to fail. He rewards the crooks

  160. No matter who is in there Newt,,,Bradley —or whomever,,,,,aren’t their programs…subject for approval,,,,they don’t get to pass anything do they,,,on their own??

  161. Just think about this.
    Under Newt when Ping gets sick Ping’s Health Insurance Company approves the operation Ping needs. However it has to be done by video tape and Dr. Bill Frist will be the surgeon performing the procedure.
    Doing it this way the Insurance Company will save money by not having to use an actual operating room or all the other medical team needed to insure the patient survives if they should need emergency procedures to revive Ping if something goes wrong.
    If Dr. Bill Frist can evaluate Terry Schiavo by video tape then he can perform surgery by video tape as well.
    Read Dr. Frist diagnostic from Senate Transcripts then ask yourselves would you want this guy operating on you?
    http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20050617112616761
    Hope your surgery goes well Ping.

  162. I agree with anon-paranoid, the 1st post. I hope to NOT see Newt around anytime soon. And what anon says is true…he’s NOT a good candidate for Health or Human Services.
    tt

  163. It’s disheartening that Gringrich could even be mentioned in this administration. As an Obama supporter, I am so depressed at the opening he has given the disoriented Republicans. Disoriented they are no more, even if still bankrupt of ideas. I need to take a nap.

  164. Posted by: anon-paranoid Author Profile Page | February 4, 2009 10:01 PM
    Well put so glad you’re posting!

  165. With or without a HHS head,,,shouldn’t the Dem, Senate and the Dem,,Congress put it’s immediate attention ,,on improving what we have now,fix,,,legislation that allows Pharmaceuticals to rip us off,,, over charging of doctors and or services to Medicare,,,and a lot more,,,, work on Health care,yes,,but do the obvious improvements that need doing NOW???

  166. KCG -- I guess I am just part of a Multi National Corp that is a criminal provider for Healthcare technology needs.
    Forget that innovation funded by profits that delviers improved quality at lower costs and easier Patient situation…..
    Hey lets just take our Healthcare technology back to 1955….. why not after all it is an evil criminal single minded approach that has brought us here
    Heck lets just go back to the dark ages

  167. Solarcrete -- Sadly the few docs make the news.
    Most family and front line doctors do not rip off and you would be surprised at the income level -- it is not crazy high.
    Now a Specialist….

  168. blah blah blah
    tax payers fund most medical research not private funding

  169. Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | February 4, 2009 10:08 PM
    If the prison stripes fit…wear ‘em

  170. Depends on the Judge and Jury -- If bringing innovation and dedication to better Healthcare is a crime then I guess I know many that need to put on those PJ’s

  171. Ping—- the reason that I say legislaltion,,,,is mainly of all the lawyers involved,,,,get them out of there,,,,,how much is spent on them,,,,I agree about the docs,,,most of them,,,,,but the legal mumble jumble is costing us an arm and another arm no,,,,,there is probably whole floor for the legal staff I feel the s ame way about them that I feel about the IRS,,,find some way to get rid of them,,,,and cost will go down no?

  172. Yes one can get the best health care that money can provide if they can afford it.
    On the other hand if your just a poor white {or any other person of color or ethnicity} Hard Working American the medical care you need is being decided by the Insurance Company and not the Doctor.
    So while you fight the Insurance Company to pay for the medical treatment you need you could end up dying.
    Remember unless your brought into the hospital with a life threatening condition they will not provide the help you need unless you can afford to pay for it.
    Sorry, but I don’t want someone who is against anything that helps Americans, poor Americans or any Americans involved in reforming Health Care or anything else.
    And that means in simple language even you can understand PIng, not legalese, no Newt. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.

  173. Posted by: Ping Pong Author Profile Page | February 4, 2009 10:17 PM
    I scoff at your ridiculous and lame attempts to justify the current health care system.
    American tax payers foot the bill for innovation and then end up paying for it again as patients.

  174. SolarCrete -- Agreed the Medical Legal costs are to high both in awards and the drvie of defensive Medicine.
    AP -- You are so wrong -- The Trama unit when you hit the door does NOT look for your insurance -- That is a dedicated team -- All get the same treatment -- In fact many of the Millions use the ED as their primary care provider and do get quality care- however it is not effective and again NEWT knows this and his programs would take those same resoureces and assets to be better deployed.

  175. KCG -- You need to read what I am writing. Lots of dedicated people -- but a system that needs work.
    We have agreement in some areas …
    Gotta to run..
    Best to all I will catch up later

  176. KGC….
    Just like they pay for prescription drugs.
    The AARP lost me as a possible member when they convinced their members to support the donut hole Prescription Drug Plan wrote by Republican Fascists.
    And Ping wants Republicans reforming Health Care? As Bush would say “Fool me once, he he, Fool me again”. I’m sure I got that quote wrong, but you get the point I’m sure.

  177. No pIng you are wrong…the patient may get the trauma care but the insurance company may refuse to pay…then it’s bankruptcy and lose of their home for the patient
    probably think they might be better off dead.
    How about when a “plan” doctor calls an ambulence to his office and sends you to the emergency room because you are showing life-threatening symptoms and need treatment NOW…and when all is said and done, your employer-selected medical plan disallows most of the treatment? That’s what happened when I presented symptoms of a heart attack: my doctor took an EKG at his office, which includes an urgent-care practice, saw my heart rhythms, and pulled the panic switch. He sent me to the hospital via cardiac-care ambulance. The plan administrator said “your doctor sent you to the wrong place” and as a consequence I have to pay 55% of a 60K hospital bill. That’s AFTER major-medical coverage is “exhausted”.
    So much for “insurance”. I’ve experienced the same problem with subsequent emergency-room visits with two different health plans. (I was laid off from my first job, in part because of the health claim — yes, I know that’s illegal, but it happened.) It’s especially galling when I just sit there, and the condition that sent me to the emergency room reverts itself while I wait…and there is another $1,000 that gets added to my debt. So now, I don’t go to the emergency room. Period.
    http://pokedandprodded.health.com/2008/10/23/i-see-the-failure-of-the-health-care-system-every-day/

  178. I read what you write Ping…but I’m begining to think you don’t. And I know you haven’t read Newt’s proposals.
    AP
    AARP blah. I agree with you completely. Under Bill Novelli they are nothing but a big old insurance company. Big conflict of interest in their support for the prescription drug benefit

  179. I read what you write Ping…but I’m begining to think you don’t. And I know you haven’t read Newt’s proposals.
    AP
    AARP blah. I agree with you completely. Under Bill Novelli they are nothing but a big old insurance company. Big conflict of interest in their support for the prescription drug benefit

  180. Maybe Super Women Hillary can wear 3 hats,,,one to baby sit Obama,,,,one for her SOS duties,,,and the other for the HHS,,,she has all of her people in places positioned all over the place anyway —wonder Hillary to the rescue,,,,,,Craig really ruffeled some feathers today,,,it will all get done,,,,and we will go along with whom ever is in there,,and wish for the best,,,,,,we need the $ to get U H,,,,and without that ,,,,,,,who ever is in there is going to be standing as still as a statue…

  181. Maybe Super Women Hillary can wear 3 hats,,,one to baby sit Obama,,,,one for her SOS duties,,,and the other for the HHS,,,she has all of her people in places positioned all over the place anyway —wonder Hillary to the rescue,,,,,,Craig really ruffeled some feathers today,,,it will all get done,,,,and we will go along with whom ever is in there,,and wish for the best,,,,,,we need the $ to get U H,,,,and without that ,,,,,,,who ever is in there is going to be standing as still as a statue…

  182. Once again PIng did not read what I wrote.
    I said if the Doctor says you need a specific treatment the Insurance Company decides whether or not they will cover it. If they decide not to cover it then you will not get the treatment unless you can pay for it while your attorney is suing the Insurance Company to pay for it.
    On the other hand if you end up going in to the hospital with a life threatening condition you will get treated. This has nothing to do with the first statement above. As well as if you use the Emergency Room for a common cold you can get treatment.
    If your Doctor sends you in for a test that comes back and says you have Cancer then the Insurance Company will be the one that decides if they will cover the treatment your Doctor says you need.
    If they {Insurance Company} says they will not pay for it then your Shit Out Of Luck in getting the treatment you need unless you can pay for it.
    There have been stories for years about people being denied the treatment they need for medical treatments that will be long term and very expensive were people have died because of Insurance Coverage Denial by the Insurance Company the patient was covered under.
    We don’t need Republicans involved in any sort of setting the policy for Health Care Reform. They did prescription drugs and we all know how that turned out.

  183. Tiptoe
    BEsides being an MD, Dean’s record as gov of Vermont with regard to health reform is excellent…near universal health care
    “His record as a five-term governor of Vermont is strong, including providing near-universal heath coverage. During his gubernatorial reelection bid, he had to wear a bulletproof vest because of death threats he’d received due to his support for gay civil unions.”
    Dean became Governor of Vermont when Richard A. Snelling died in office. Dean was subsequently elected to five two-year terms, serving as governor from 1991 to 2003, making him the second longest-serving Governor in Vermont history, after Thomas Chittenden (1778–1789 and 1790–1797). Dean served as chairman of the National Governors Association from 1994 to 1995; during his term, Vermont paid off much of its public debt and had a balanced budget 11 times, lowering income taxes twice. Dean also oversaw the expansion of the “Dr. Dynasaur” program, which ensures universal health care for children and pregnant women in the state.

  184. Solar…
    I do believe that President Obama does not need a babysitter.
    Not now, not ever.

  185. “Craig really ruffeled some feathers today,,,it will all get done,,”
    Solar
    Just keeping us lab rats entertained.
    I noticed a long time ago he enjoys it.
    No breakfast or coffee in the morning, Gonna get an ultra sound of my liver and pancreas.
    The chest pains have slowed the last week but still don’t know what and the process is slow.
    No we don’t put people on a waiting list we just slow schedule them.
    Jack

  186. Just about anybody would be an improvement over Tom Daschle.
    I like either:
    Howard Dean,
    Dr. John Kitzhaber, former two term Oregon Governor. Kitzhaber is passionate about healthcare. He is expected to run for Governor again in 2010 and should win easily over defeated GOP Sen. Gordon Smith. I don’t know if I would prefer Kitzhaber in Salem or Washington D.C.. He would be excellent in any position.

  187. It looks like there are lots of good choices for HHS
    as for bipartisanship…how’s that stimulus package working out -- tax breaks and gifts for the wealthy and nothing for struggling Americans. Looks like a winner for the goopers.
    G’night .

  188. Solar
    He has lots advisors.
    You had the word right the first time
    lol
    Babysitter
    F’m if they can’t take a joke.
    Jack

  189. AP—-I do like your arguments,,,,Maybe I shouldn’t go here,,,,,but I also don’t like the easy way of prescribing medicine to children,,,,,too much meds in their developing bodies,,,more adult education needed,,,before making choices??
    ps Used to love the area that you lived at,,,,The Marbro Theater,,,The Alex ..Madison st….My sisters (2) of them worked at the Three Sister Store on Cicero and Madison ,,while they went to College,,,,lots of memory’s….g night.

  190. Solar…
    I agree with you about children’s meds and the fact that there loading up kids with Ritalin {I think I spelled that right}. Or the other drugs they are pressuring parents to give their kids.
    Like Texas with Perry wanting young girls to take that drug that could possibly make them sterile for prevention of cervical cancer {I believe thats what its for} IIRC.
    I spent many Saturday afternoons in the theater there at Madison and Hamlin. Also many hours at Ucitel Drugs on the corner sitting at the counter drinking coffee daily.
    I lived there when they burn down blocks of stores on Madison Street during the riots as well.
    Ah the good old days.

  191. Well its off to the sack. Work goes on and I still have at least two years to carry that load.
    Night all.

  192. AP
    I used to walk my two younger bros…to the Madison show,,,,25Cents to get in,,,,I think,,,,we walked thru 3 gang (after the hood changed) infested streets,,,,they wanted me to join them,,,,I wouldn’t and would not let my bros, we had to fight them some times ,,,but after awhile they left us alone,,,,we just minded our own biz,,,,,,but what a hood (marvelous,,,beautiful,,story like) before all the gangs took it over,,,,thanks for the memory’s.

  193. Solar…
    Sorry, that was a vaccine of some kind. Also the anti depression drugs there giving teenagers that can lead to suicide as well.
    But then how else are you going to get a society that does not think for itself except by making them complacent and quiet. Doing what they are told to do because someone tells them.
    Dumb them down so they do what their told without thinking about why they are being told to do what their told.
    That’s how free societies end up under dictatorships. Be afraid, be very afraid for only we can save you.
    Yeah, right Republicans. You’ll save us when you can’t save yourselves.
    Good night now.

  194. Solar…
    The matinees were great. Three movies and cartoons, popcorn .25 cents a box, coke machine a dime I believe and floors your shoes stuck to when you walked down the aisle to find a seat.
    Also hung in the park with the local wino’s drinking ripley and other cheap wines. Learned the term Tapped out and Tap City. Broke, no cash, no moolah.
    Yes those were some good days I have to admit.
    All right I really need to hit the sack.
    Night all.

  195. “Hmm, if we’re going to have Newtie as Secretary, then it’s only reasonable that he get Phil Gramm to be the Czar.

  196. Who is holding you back,,,,git,,,Im one of those,,one last cigarette type of guys,,,,we all were my friends and I,,,,sometimes we had one last cig for three hrs or more HA

  197. anks could still find wiggle room in pay caps -- Yahoo! News 05:41
    Source: news.yahoo.com
    The squeeze on big paydays for executives of bailed-out banks will probably leave Wall Street plenty of wiggle room. Consultants on executive pay say the caps imposed by President Barack Obama on Wednesday …
    http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=60000972593&h=PvqpK&u=cCzMG
    This is utter bullshit.. The money junkies and the power junkies are already looking at ways to maintain their over-compensation. Let this pompous overpaid execs walk. And I am American and I DO disparage excessive wealth! No one has earned these sorts of compensations. If we want REAL CHANGE, we have to stop the corporate culture of creating and maintaining the nouveau rich.

  198. Hyper-bipartisan? Is that the best you got? Do you seriously think that if Gingrich is nominated Republicans suddenly will decide to work for meaningful reform that’s in the best interest of the country instead of obstructing said reform at the behest of their sponsors?
    Here’s a hint: They won’t. Besides, Democrats don’t need GOP votes anyway, so they should stop trying to mollify these assholes and get busy bringing this country back from the brink.

  199. Mr. Crawford, Is your day job writing material for Jon Stewart? This is hysterical.

  200. We need a cure for health care in America. I’ve heard TN Governor Phil Bredesen could be considered for HHS. I know what is deemed, defended and supported as acceptable standards of care in East Tennessee http://www.wisecountyissues.com Profit Care comes before Patient Care in his state.

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