360 thoughts on “Cheney, Gingrich Hawking Obama”

  1. The Trail Mix Peace Dove is a lot smarter than the ones currently trying to lay eggs on the slanted eave outside my window. So far they’ve lost three eggs that have just rolled off the roof and smashed on the driveway, and they still haven’t figured it out yet.
    It is sad to watch them staring down at the smashed eggs, though. They have this whole “why does that keep happening” kind of thing going on. =/

  2. well well well… 8:30 last thread is a song for you, Julia.

  3. Oh! Also, Newt Gingrich talks out of his ass. If he had been President he wouldn’t have done what he said he’d do in a million years. He (and anybody else) can armchair quarterback all he wants, but starting shit with another country run by a bonafide crazy when we’ve got troops stretched to the limits with little help and little funding in two other countries also run by (and if not run by, then certainly filled with) bonafide crazies? Honey, please.

  4. Obama’s plenny-’nuff hawk for me.
    He’s still a staunch backer of Israel and he has himself covered if he wants to re-kindle aggression in Iraq.
    I was quite impressed with the reach-out to Iran on Wednesday, however, and if he really does pull out of Iraq by the fall of 2010, I’ll be happy and I will vote for him again in 2012.
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    “My First Lie, and how”, by Mark Twain: http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/1005/

  5. Good Morning fellow Mixers !!
    Back from Bahamas, Crazy Business environment and a crashed computer…
    HAVE YOU DONE YOUR BACK UP? Do You have a program to check it every day?

  6. The complex nature and engagement of the President Obama needs time for the new direction and style to settle in…
    And in an interesting way the stakes are raised as the expectations for a free world working together have never been higher. In this case I hope he has great success.
    So for International activity the Ping gives the New President an A…..
    Yup -- pick yourself up off the floor

  7. Newt & Gramps would make one heck of a peace dove omlet if they had the chance.
    This is more than armchair quarterbacking (they have big mouths that might incite another country to action if they were in charge…which they are not), this is about the midterms & 2012.
    They are trying to erode Obama’s popularity. The fear card is the only one they know how to play. Heck, after the last 8 years, it’s the only tattered, old card they have to play.
    Prez Obama has two things neither of them have: the ability to measure his words, and most importantly, the reigns of this country.
    Craig, Have you named your new windowsill pets yet?

  8. Newt talks out of his ass? Reminds of the line from the BBCA show Coupling.
    “She hates you.”
    “Then why is she always looking at my arse?”
    “She’s lip reading.”
    The weekend has started!

  9. The role of Hawk is still needed. There are many in this world that wake up everyday trying to find ways to end our way of life……
    I gave Pres Obama an A for his moving the agenda and attempt to bring Europe and other free countries into the vested position.
    Into a position to assist the US in appling force -- both economic and Combat -- as needed.
    I think that Newt and Cheney are missing the point. I trust Barack will do the aggressive thing if needed.

  10. Barak Obama is standing between Newt & Cheney. One them asks Obama if he’s a jerk or an idiot. Barak responds that he is between the two. (ba-dum-bup)
    Craig, How long do you think it will be before people quit using “the last 8 years” to bring down the GOP candidates? Will it last through the midterms?

  11. ping -- Playing the fear card so early in the morning? We don’t need no stinkin’ back-ups.

  12. now blue… maybe this centric red dot has a point! and I have used OneCare from big Bill Gates….
    Kept me clean and safe.. and it worked for a complete restore -- really easy.
    send me a check for $XX.xx and the Ping Patel Help desk will help you

  13. Come on KGC… Show me some love… Do you and I have some agreement on my Barack comment…
    And no April fool’s on giving him an A for his recent activity…
    But am I the fool for such an evaluation?

  14. Ping
    I’ve noticed you’ve been in a good mood lately — I was wondering if your recent trips to the Bahamas had anything to do with that…(visiting your money?) but now I see it’s because you’ve left the dark side and come into the light!

  15. Off to my evil capitalistic, free market, still waiting for the trinkle over of Stimulus dollars, sadly had to RIF some good people, liking what Obama did in Europe -- World
    And one more restart with catching up on Windows endless updates following my system crash…
    Best to all….

  16. Hi Craig, interesting video. Now I know why you tolerate my posts. I’m the only Liberal Hawk here. Dex thinks Obama’s a staunch supporter of Israel. Does it matter what Israelis think?
    Obama has increased bombing on the Taliban taking a page from Nixon. He jopes the bombing will soften up their position which it hasn’t. Has Obama’s policy decreased chaos in Pakistan which he used to blame before voters on Bush and Musharraf? Let’s hope the results are better than Viet Nam as some administration officilas now give Paksitan only 6 months to keep their government from falling to Omar and Meshud. And yes, Americans ought to know who has targeted the WH besides OBL.
    Clinton wanted to take out NK’s nuclear program when he discovered they were trying to enrich and use the plutonium we gave them. Who can forget former Clinton advisors demanding Bush take out NK’s nuclear test site before they tested a bomb, calling his 6-party talks a failure? The same talks Obama wants to restart as the UN does ZERO about NK?
    Ping Pong has obviously missed what really happened on Obama’s trip. EU gave no help in actual combat assistance and what will happen to all those civilians the world is sending if violence doesn’t decrease? They will be fresh kills for the Taliban or more hostages. Just look what happened in Iraq some years back. Only your bloggets could find real support for Obama’s less dovish ideas from around the world. Even you have uttered a dove compariosn between Obama and Carter. You simply anticipate what may come this way. As you frequently do Craig.
    Pats obviously at the end of her Hawkish rope, though I haven’t seen anything Obama’s done that is hawkish. He was never going to just run from Afghanistan after making it his war in the primary. Chasing some pirates? Continuing the bombing of militants in Pakistan?
    Not only did Obama not hit NK, his pressure on local to sit still makes Japan, Korea and Israel realize that just because they have some US hardware doesn’t mean they have his full support. Such counsel will lead them act on their own ebentually, or at least move away from our Grand empty alliance. Already Isreal is striking deals with Russia to eventually take over their Space Port. Have fun everyone vilifying Cheney and Newt as a deflection from the pressing reality of things. I guess a chuckle is worth more than consternation.
    Okay, I will take my Hawk seat and hold the fort for all you dovish dreamers. You do understand that Obama will either throw you all under the bus or face some troubling polls soon enough. Despite what Biden says, the papers do not confirm we are safer now than under Bush. In the mean time, I’ll be ringing the wake up call. Until then Obama will continue to experiance the indignities of being a dreamer.
    And of course a Hawk does not bow down to Kings.

  17. It took fewer than 100 days for conservative critics to start lobbing the F-bomb at President Obama.
    “F” as in “fascist.”
    Take Glenn Beck, the bombastic Fox News host, who in recent weeks has repeatedly used the term -- along with references to Mussolini and pictures of Hitler and Lenin -- to describe Obama’s efforts to revive struggling banks and automakers.
    The American Spectator, a conservative publication, earlier this month ran an essay on Obama titled “Il Duce, Redux?”
    And TownHall.com’s David Limbaugh went even further: He called Obama the head of a “Gestapo government” during a recent San Francisco radio interview.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/08/MN1I16TJEN.DTL&type=politics&tsp=1
    this is just silly --do they even know the definition of fascist?
    Just last week the same maroons were yelling about socialism

  18. ahhh life with the navel gazers -- living in an evidence free zone makes bombast so easy

  19. Drug Decriminalization in Portugal:
    Lessons for Creating Fair and Successful Drug Policies
    by Glenn Greenwald
    On July 1, 2001, a nationwide law in Portugal took effect that decriminalized all drugs, including cocaine and heroin. Under the new legal framework, all drugs were “decriminalized,” not “legalized.” Thus, drug possession for personal use and drug usage itself are still legally prohibited, but violations of those prohibitions are deemed to be exclusively administrative violations and are removed completely from the criminal realm. Drug trafficking continues to be prosecuted as a criminal offense.
    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080

  20. Pogo, you know exactly why conservatives say this. Pelosi has threatened to fast track healthcare past any Republican dissent. Gates declares he intentionally sequestered himself from military experts in forming his defense strategy. Obama pushed the Stimulus Bill past Congress before they had time to read the small print much to Dodd’s eventually political fall. Obama is the decider and the only thing that is pathetic is these very same conservtives did little to stop Bush doing some of the same tactics after 9/11.
    Don’t act surprised Pogo. This President is a force unto himself with a Congress willing to back him up for now. Just the case many made before the election.
    Obama was quite willing to leave in the buy American provisons in the stimulus bill and he alone fired the GM boss. With Liberals branding Bush Hitler, consider the counter a bit more civil. Just look at the swipes here on Cheney and Newt. What goes around comes around. It is not surprising at all.

  21. “Is that good? I hope so”
    Ha — It’s good if you own General Dynamics stock, Ping….

  22. “Is that good? I hope so”
    Ha — It’s good if you own General Dynamics stock, Ping….

  23. The trouble with hawks, Max, it that they are stunning but indiscriminate predators. They swoop down out of the sky and plunge their talons into any small thing they happen to see. That’s kind of what our foreign policy has been. And many people have probably felt like a friend of mine did when a hawk appeared from nowhere, grabbed her tiny dog and flew off with his take-out dinner. Shock & Awe, baby. Shock & Awe.
    And don’t underestimate doves. At my feeders, where blue jays are notorious bullies, they are often surprised when a dove puffs up and pushes back. But only when provoked.

  24. April 8, 2009 12:37 PM
    Actually, it’s my understanding that a lot of the anger in Connecticut against Dodd has to do with his vanity run for president, mixed with his uselesness on the Banking Committee. Running for president really solidified the impression that Dodd was out for himself and his banker buddies (something solidified by the media’s presentation of his campaign as being supported by bankers and no one else). So, I really think that has hurt him -- maybe it’s only a few percent of the total blow to his support, but in this game a few percent can matter. Not too mention his sweetheart mortgage with countrywide
    nothing to do with Obama

  25. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-217875
    Ping, The viewpoint of the true warrior is seldom to go around making things go boom. It is interesting that the two biggest conservative hawks, Newt and Cheney, need to prove their insufficient manhood by swaggering about the glories of bravery in the face of threats.
    Those two would perform a fetal curl up and whimper if they actually ever had to face a threat bigger than a microphone.

  26. (breaking past the corp firewall…)
    Max….
    You said “Ping Pong has obviously missed what really happened on Obama’s trip. EU gave no help in actual combat assistance and what will happen to all those civilians the world is sending if violence doesn’t decrease? ”
    The important fact that I was pointing to and so pleased to give Barack an A was the fact that he ASKED. This is clear indication of his future action as needed. The problem is Barack continues to hide and not be as honest with the American People -- He is spin spin spin control.
    Of course the Europeans will continue to hide behind the big and broad shoulders of the USA. But this needs to stop and as I said some time on my last post week past, that my European friends must also help -- one way as they will pay a price -- sooner or later.
    Barack put it on the table -- Now the mission has been laid out. You have to look past Barack’s Words just Words

  27. Jamie… Hope you are well..
    Boo…. And they duck and cover..
    What we are seeing is no change -- and maybe the boy with the new toy’s will be more aggressive.
    Barack at the controls -”Holy cow -- what happens if I push that button? Cool….”

  28. graig, you and andrew forgot to play the jmac bomb bomb iran song in your video
    sturge, thanks for the monty python killer rabbit link. now i don’t feel quite so bad about having my traditional easter dinner sunday…grilled easter bunny…
    none of this ham or lamb stuff for me.

  29. Kudo’s to the American crew of the Maersk Alabama.
    By acting they saved themselves from an uncertain future and they truly saved this administration from having to make a decision on action/negotiation.
    They aren’t completely out of the woods yet. But the pirates are 200 miles at sea in a 28′ lifeboat with a Navy destroyer for company. Let’s hope that it’s ended soon.
    I have alot of friends still sailing merchant and they universally know that they cannot allow themselves to be captured.

  30. If you consider our President a “Hawk”, what do you suppose are enemies are. The rational that we kill the innocents for pure sport is beyond my thought patterns. When we strike certain villages we do so based on intelligence that is where the bad guys are hiding and planning to kill our people. Maybe there, or maybe here. If children get killed in the attack I would shift the blame from us to the terrorist who purposely set-up shop in such areas because they know the bodies of mutilated babies and breast feeding mothers will grab the headlines. 9-11 should have put everyone on notice that it doesn’t take a uniform military machine to put the fear of God into our lives, a bunch individuals living in caves and mud baked homes 1000′s of miles away can plan and execute our destrution. But maybe their message of 9-11 hasn’t sunken in, but there is always the next time.

  31. Just went back to catch up.
    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/new-media-meets-old-washington.html#comment-217760
    God, max, you are intent on attributing to me those things I never said or intended. I have NEVER referred to a fetus as property, nor do I view it as such. The right to choose argument does not rise or fall on the false either-or choice between person and property that you propose -- people have been property, but that is a different argument. That is not what we were discussing, but you insist on attributing that to me. You know I never said anything of the sort, but you are engaging in sophistry because you don’t like the fact that from a legal perspective you lose in this argument. The “men not having say over the outcome of the pregnancy” argument is based in part on the argument that that the fetus is property. It’s not, which is why that argument never gains any traction legally.
    Do I think sacred is ONLY religious? No, not any more, but the word is based in only religion -- see the word’s origin in the links below -- although there are modern usages that are not contextually religious. But in the sense you are using the word, -- life being sacred, I would say it is much more religious in connotation than not.
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacred
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Sacred
    The doctor that killed a baby after it was taken alive from the womb did indeed kill a human being (under our law) and is subject to prosecution for it -- had the fetus been killed in utero, the charge would have been different.
    In the clear light of day, what you are doing is trying to bring property law (incorectly accsuing me of making that argument) and criminal law arguments -- based on criminal law that you would have exist but that in fact does not -- into an argument about the legal rights to autonomy of a mother and a fetus or in latter pregnancy stage, an unborn child, respectively. Fetuses are not human beings under the law for purposes of criminal prosecution under murder statutes. Until and unless the court determines that fetuses at some point in their development acquire legal personhood, or until murder statutes are changed to apply to fetuses, murder will not be a charge that can be used in the case of abortions.
    Why don’t I “like” abortion? I don’t like abortion because I don’t like the decision the pregnant woman considering an abortion has to face. But that is a decsision that women who are pregnant have to face if they are not sure they want to complete the pregnancy by giving birth. It’s what our law allows because our courts have determined that that right exists in our Constitution. It has nothing to do with a notion of a fetus as property that I do not hold.
    See, here’s where I believe we differ. I’m a lawyer and am involved in the legal system -- and have been for 20 years. I may not like every decision that the system makes -- and in fact I don’t -- but I do believe the system works about as well as we could hope -- at least as it applies to the federal court system and Constitutional cases. Even under the Court as Bush finagled it with the addition of Roberts and Alito, it works fairly well -- because even though it has been politicized, there still remains one sitting justice who understands that in order to maintain its credibility the Court needs to avoid being ideologically driven, and in the face of two opposing ideological factions needs a swing vote whose decisions are not driven by ideological political positions -- which is what the founders had envisioned the court as a whole as being, and which to a fair extent it was until the early part of the 20th century. Since Reagan, the court has become just another tool of the party in power to try and extend its influence beyond its term, but I digress.

  32. Just went back to catch up.
    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/new-media-meets-old-washington.html#comment-217760
    God, max, you are intent on attributing to me those things I never said or intended. I have NEVER referred to a fetus as property, nor do I view it as such. The right to choose argument does not rise or fall on the false either-or choice between person and property that you propose -- people have been property, but that is a different argument. That is not what we were discussing, but you insist on attributing that to me. You know I never said anything of the sort, but you are engaging in sophistry because you don’t like the fact that from a legal perspective you lose in this argument. The “men not having say over the outcome of the pregnancy” argument is based in part on the argument that that the fetus is property. It’s not, which is why that argument never gains any traction legally.
    Do I think sacred is ONLY religious? No, not any more, but the word is based in only religion -- see the word’s origin in the links below -- although there are modern usages that are not contextually religious. But in the sense you are using the word, -- life being sacred, I would say it is much more religious in connotation than not.
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacred
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Sacred
    The doctor that killed a baby after it was taken alive from the womb did indeed kill a human being (under our law) and is subject to prosecution for it -- had the fetus been killed in utero, the charge would have been different.
    In the clear light of day, what you are doing is trying to bring property law (incorectly accsuing me of making that argument) and criminal law arguments -- based on criminal law that you would have exist but that in fact does not -- into an argument about the legal rights to autonomy of a mother and a fetus or in latter pregnancy stage, an unborn child, respectively. Fetuses are not human beings under the law for purposes of criminal prosecution under murder statutes. Until and unless the court determines that fetuses at some point in their development acquire legal personhood, or until murder statutes are changed to apply to fetuses, murder will not be a charge that can be used in the case of abortions.
    Why don’t I “like” abortion? I don’t like abortion because I don’t like the decision the pregnant woman considering an abortion has to face. But that is a decsision that women who are pregnant have to face if they are not sure they want to complete the pregnancy by giving birth. It’s what our law allows because our courts have determined that that right exists in our Constitution. It has nothing to do with a notion of a fetus as property that I do not hold.
    See, here’s where I believe we differ. I’m a lawyer and am involved in the legal system -- and have been for 20 years. I may not like every decision that the system makes -- and in fact I don’t -- but I do believe the system works about as well as we could hope -- at least as it applies to the federal court system and Constitutional cases. Even under the Court as Bush finagled it with the addition of Roberts and Alito, it works fairly well -- because even though it has been politicized, there still remains one sitting justice who understands that in order to maintain its credibility the Court needs to avoid being ideologically driven, and in the face of two opposing ideological factions needs a swing vote whose decisions are not driven by ideological political positions -- which is what the founders had envisioned the court as a whole as being, and which to a fair extent it was until the early part of the 20th century. Since Reagan, the court has become just another tool of the party in power to try and extend its influence beyond its term, but I digress.

  33. KGC,
    Not sure what the discussion was about Chris Dodd but I agree that here the unhappiness stems from the issues you mentioned.
    However, as to whether any of it will really impact a re-election--I do not think that any of the repubs discussed so far have sufficient name recognition statewide to really threaten Chris Dodd.
    If a Dem. were to show up & challenge him that could be the deciding factor, but at this point highly unlikely that another Dem would seriously challenge him.
    Polls notwithstanding-- of those republicans mentioned --Rob Simmons who lost his House seat out of New London is the most recognizable.
    The Rep. who could probably unseat him today would be Gov. Jodi Rell who continues to maintain very high popularity numbers--but to date has not indicated any interest in running for Senate.

  34. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-217916
    TIR
    You can’t live your life in fear of what “might happen”. At some point in everyone’s life and certainly in the life of a nation, you can absolutely guarantee that something truly horrid will occur. You prepare for the worst, hope for the best and then get on with the business of living.
    Rarely, if ever, does some sort of preemptive strike have any long term value. It usually just lands you in a mess that then takes a lot of time, effort and/or money to get out of and leaves you with exactly the same problem or worse than when you started.

  35. Pogo,
    I often wondered, with regard to the abortion debate why the rights or concerns of the father(impregnator) seem arbitrary to the decision.
    I’m unaware of any requirement for the father to consent to the abortion.
    It would seem that given the nature of how the pregnancy came about (concensual), that the other party would have rights. Is that the case?

  36. More material for the Bush legacy file.
    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/04/09/world/international-us-iran-nuclear-plant.html
    I guess all that foot stomping, labelling Iran as one of the 3 worst countries in the world and refusing to even talk with Iran didn’t do anything to encourage them to either abandon their nuclear fuel develpment or allow international monitoring to show that their aims are peaceful. Hopefully they are, and hopefully there can be some modicum of cooperation that results from an opening -- small though it may be -- in engaging in diplomacy if that happens.

  37. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-217845
    Julia, I’ve heard those are the “teenage mothers” that do that -- too inexperienced to know better, or perhaps were out-competed for a more suitable nest site. Mourning Dove nests are known for “flimsy construction.” I’ve seen them lay eggs on bare brick.
    Here’s what we can look forward to on “TM Pigeon Cam,” if we’re lucky.
    “Incubation takes two weeks. Mourning Doves are strongly altricial, with the young, called squabs, being helpless at hatching and covered with down. Both parents feed the squabs pigeon’s milk (dove’s milk) for the first 3-4 days of life. Thereafter, the crop milk is gradually augmented by seeds. Fledging takes place in about 11–15 days, before the squabs are fully grown but after they are capable of digesting adult food.. They stay nearby to be fed by their father for up to two weeks after fledging.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mourning_Dove
    Thank you, Craig!

  38. Pogo,
    I’m sure that the Iranians are just misunderstood……It’s all been a big mistake…..laughs

  39. Jamie,
    No one is asking anyone to live their lives in fear, but you must acknowledge there are those living in caves and mud homes that want us dead. When you know that danger exist and you do nothing to prevent it, then one is a complete fool. It is unfortunate we live in a kill or be killed type of world, but it has been that way forever. There is really only one choice when dealing with psychopathic mass murders, and that is when and where do you wish to kill them, because if you don’t kill them they will try to kill you. K.I.S.S., nothing complicated about it.

  40. Max, as a general rule, no. Fathers do not have rights wrt the unborn child. I seem to recall there being a case about that a few years ago -- and as I recall, the father lost -- I”ll look for it. The closest thing to that that has happened recently was a case over a dispute between the mother and father (I use the terms for convenience only -- I could have just as easily said male and female donors) about some frozen fertilized embryos -- and I don’t know what the outcome was. Lemmee see what I can come up with.
    In the meantime, here’s some ASU stuff to browse through -- I suspect that the cases I am recalling are in these.
    http://embryo.asu.edu/encyclopedia/law/?query=Law

  41. Pogo…
    I have yet to see anyone post any proof of Iran invading any country in there history.
    Though it’s true they have fought and defended themselves when attack as with Iraq whom we sold chemical weapons to that Saddam used against Iran as well as his own people after Gulf 1.
    But then too they have oil and as I’m sure you are aware BushCheney waged soldiers blood for oil access.
    Have a good day.

  42. Coreen
    Someone tried to blame Dodd’s unpopularity on Obama’s rushing through the stimulus package.

  43. The Mourning Dove’s more colorful cousin is the one we don’t have anymore, except stuffed in museums.
    “The last Passenger Pigeon, named Martha, died alone at the Cincinnati Zoo at about 1:00 pm on September 1, 1914. Who could have dreamed that within a few decades, the once most numerous bird on Earth would be forever gone?”
    http://www.wbu.com/chipperwoods/photos/passpigeon.htm

  44. Pogo,
    That was me on the father abort issue. I just find it interesting that no 2nd donor (your terminology) input is considered.
    Particularly given the legal obligations of the 2nd donor should brith be considered over abortion.

  45. Anon,
    I guess the only thing I remember is when the Iranians
    invaded our sovereign territory by taking our embassy and kidnapping our diplomats……But you know you’re right…..I don’t actually have any proof……maybe it was all just a mistake or staged by some corrupt US administration…….

  46. Actually, jax, the courts have considered who should control fertilized embryos after the 2 donor would-be parents divorce, and have split. It appears that the courts have generally come down on the side of theparent that objects to the continued maintenance, implantation, donation, etc. of the frozen embryos -- on the theory that favoring the party that wants continued viability and ultimately development and birth would be forced to be a parent against his/her wishes. It’s really not a well developed area of the law, and almost all the cases are rated as having a low probability of being used as precedent.

  47. Death of the mother and unborn child. In several states if a pregnant mother is murdered and the child she carries also dies as a result of the crime, then the individual committing the crime is charged with 2 counts of murder. But a mother can abort her unborn child for any reason.

  48. Pogo,
    Personally, I believe that the abortion decision should be a two party decision. I believe that the consensual decision to have sex constitutes a binding contract between the two parties that requires unanimous agreement on how to proceed should a pregnancy occur…..

  49. Pogo,
    Personally, I believe that the abortion decision should be a two party decision. I believe that the consensual decision to have sex constitutes a binding contract between the two parties that requires unanimous agreement on how to proceed should a pregnancy occur…..

  50. a-p What, you are suggesting that just because a country has not in its entire history invaded another country that it is not a very real threat to the (arguably) strongest country in the world or its allies? Next you’ll be suggesting that just because I’ve never noticed that my phone calls to MX have been part of data mining that data mining isn’t a threat to me. :-)
    Have a good one, buddy.

  51. Anon,
    You said you wanted proof of an invasion. If you’ll do a little research you’ll see that an embassy is sovereign territory of that nation….don’t shoot the messenger

  52. “Let me know when men can get pregnant”
    Just as soon as you let me know how women can get pregnant without male sperm. I wonder how many wives have aborted their child buit never told their husbands they were pregnant?

  53. jax, you’re not alone in advocating that position, but your position is not consistent with courts’ holdings as I understand it. Sex and resulting pregnancy is hardly always the clear-eyed decision you suggest. In a perfect world it might be, but all those hormones, TV shows and whatnot get in the way of that.

  54. Posted by: TruthinReality Author Profile Page | April 9, 2009 11:00 AM
    What’s your point?

  55. I believe that the consensual decision to have sex constitutes a binding contract between the two parties that requires unanimous agreement on how to proceed should a pregnancy occur…..
    O Really….???????

  56. a-p -- tell me it isn’t so!! Well, actually, the USSR & Britain forced his father to abdicate because of his perceived ties to Hitler, and he was allowed to take the throne. At least that’s the way I heard it. Now his dad had close ties to the Brits when he deposed Mirza in 1925, but I don’t know anything about that beyond what I’ve written here.

  57. TiR -- in those states that allow prosecution for 2 counts of murder where a woman and unborn child are killed, the legislatures have extended the definition of “person” in their criminal laws to include an unborn child for purposes of muder prosecutions. It’s a narrowly tailored change that RW politicians and advocacy groups have pressed and LW right to choosers have opposed (on the slippery slope theory).

  58. As we all know it takes 2. A female egg and a male sperm. They are equals partners in establishing life, and giving sole authority to just one partner on whether the unborn child should be allowed to be born is…is just plain wrong.

  59. Pogo…
    No that’s not what I was saying. Any country can have individuals who would want to do us harm, but in Iran’s case everyone forgets that we killed there ruler and installed a puppet government.
    That would be no different than a foreign country killing our President and installing a puppet ruler in his place.
    We were the cause of the embassy takeover and Reagan back channeled Carter by working behind the scenes in Iran to hold the hostages making Carter seem ineffective in gaining their release.
    We tried to colonize them and they would not except that anymore then we did when we broke from England and had our war.
    I would think that England saw us as terrorists committing acts of Terrorism against there puppets over here when we went to War with them over our freedom.
    We seem to forgot that one defines freedom fighters one way while the other defines them as terrorists. After all we do it all the time and have over years forced our values on other Nations.
    Who the heck are we to tell other countries how they should rule?
    Yes we have become an arrogant Nation through bullying other countries to do as we say and not as we do.
    We are now no better than all those other countries who spy on their citizens, detain indefinitely with no right to challenge the detention and yes even torture those in our custody.
    We no longer have the moral high ground that are forefathers built our country on since we are no better then any other country.
    And that’s truth as I see it.
    I apologize that you took my comment the wrong way since we have right here in America people that want to kill those who oppose the policies of the last eight years under BushCheney and for many years previous to the deciders rule.
    Have a good day.

  60. Craig, Have you named your new windowsill pets yet? — Posted by: blueINdallas
    No I haven’t, blue. Figured I’d leave that up to you guys, unless she remains nameless as the symbol of world peace and hope

  61. AP, sorry to have been too obtuse. My tongue was planted firmly in my cheek. :-)

  62. AP,
    “I apologize that you took my comment the wrong way since we have right here in America people that want to kill those who oppose the policies of the last eight years under BushCheney and for many years previous to the deciders rule.”
    That is rather a definitive statement, would you mind sharing those names. Otherwise such statements not only sound foolish, but also tarnishes your credibility.

  63. the velocity on that slippery slope mentioned by pogo might exceed the speed of light… why not apply it to the harm that smoking while pregnant or smoking in the same room as a preganant lady? how about not eating properly, taking alcohol and drugs while pregnant (pui?). will we see those who’ve miscarried due to auto accidents prsecuted for murder because they didn’t wear a seat belt?
    many a law (previously well understood) will have to be amended.
    btw, why aren’t we just as incensed over onanism and it’s willful destruction of living cells as we are over the zygotes today?

  64. “don’t underestimate doves” — posted by Patsi
    interesting you say that, Patsi, because since last summer i have watched with surprise — and pleasure — as the quiet and persisitent doves gradually ran off the bigger, noisier, nastier pigeons that once made this place look and sound like a scene from Hitchcock’s “Birds.” Dove are much better neighbors, for sure.

  65. TiR
    We are all sharing our wisdom, for free, in the middle of the day when we should be working,on a blog.
    How much more tarnished can we get?
    Jack

  66. Watched a hawk take a dove this week on the sidewalk right next to the stop sign i was stopped at in my neighborhood. It was a flash and a puff of feathers out of the corner of my eye. It proceeded to eat the dove right there on the sidewalk…..pretty amazing

  67. Watched a hawk take a dove this week on the sidewalk right next to the stop sign i was stopped at in my neighborhood. It was a flash and a puff of feathers out of the corner of my eye. It proceeded to eat the dove right there on the sidewalk…..pretty amazing

  68. TiR, what you say is true in some instances, not true in others, and not a conscious consideration in others. So 4 1/2 months ago uncle Ernie had sex with his 12 year old neice Susie, and the would-be son/great nephew (we’ll call him Bob) is a down’s syndrome kid with spinabifida and a brain incapable of developing beyond supporting an IQ of 10, and Uncle Ernie wants to have the kid because he’s proud to have finally gotten someone, anyone, pregnant, but Sue doesn’t because she feels dirty and also doesn’t want to subject Bob to a miserable life and has no way to support or care fo him. If you plan to say that Sue couldn’t contract with Ernie because she’s a minor, make her 18. And just to make it interesting, assume that Ernie is on SSDI for his bipolar disorder, which the meds haven’t been able to control ‘cuz he forgets to take them, and Sue quit school at age 12 because she couldn’t learn to read (and is destined to be on the same goernment dole her mom has been on all her life). Who gets to decide whether Sue has to carry Bob to term and give birth to him?

  69. Pogo,
    ?????……let’s find the craziest outlyer possible and use that to argue policy?????…….You took all that time to cook this one up……are you working today?????…laughs

  70. Craig, Your videos just keep getting better. Glad to see those dove eggs were left in a safe place (or appear to be). I assume you’ll keep us updated. :)
    Jamie, that Leigh hunt poe you quoted is so sweet!
    “Say I’m weary, say I’m sad;
    Say that health and wealth have missed me;
    Say I’m growing old, but add-
    Jenny kissed me! ”
    Sturge, Just loved your Friedrich Nietzsche quotes from last night… so much so, that I went to the site and had some fun reading them. So, don’t be surprised if you see some pop up here (at what I consider an appropriate time) today.
    Ping, You lucky guy. The Bahamas!
    “Newt Gingrich talks out of his ass.”
    .. he has no choice, that’s where his head is.

  71. patsd,
    I guess it has to do with intent and responsibility. A female can drink, do drugs, have unprotected sex, while she is pregnant and that comes down to using very poor judgment, and although her actions may result in harming her unborn child, she isn’t purposely doing those activities with the intent of harming her child.
    Now an abortion is done with intent, and the end result is finial.

  72. Jack,
    Think it was Coopers hawk……I was so surprised and thrilled to actually see something like that in my own neighborhood that I didn’t look close. he was reddish though……

  73. jax, obviously not much. (You think that’s an outlier? Remember where I live. lol. Nah, sometimes I have flashbacks to law school. I try to make the discussion lively -- it’s so mundane talking about couple of twenty somethings). lol

  74. Patd
    He also looks like my nephew, the one in the navy who still list his moms telephone so that when he is late on a payment she gets the calls from the collection agency.
    My other thought of the clip was “Son , if you had just got my daughter pregnant and were laying around the house, not working, eating my food, You would have been happy to have Mrs Palin lecture you”
    I just hope he is making enough money on these interviews to pay his child support.
    Jack

  75. TiR, that introduces the concept of degrees into the discussion )e.g 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, 1st degree manslaughter, 2nd degree manslaughter) . This could get very complicated.

  76. Craig…..
    LOVE the video….. I want one of those cheney shooting games….
    Jax…. you need to put out bird feeders…. I see hawks taking smaller birds all the time….. mourning doves being one of their favorites….. and yes… it’s awesome to see….. :0)
    “There has been much discussion in the past on father’s rights… It’s interesting to read the arguments.”
    KGC….. really…. it’s interesting?….. I bet there’s not one piece of information or opinion that hasn’t already been hacked to death….. but if there is, let me know….. I’ve been scrolling by the whole thing….. I’m kinda pushed for time lately…..
    oh yeah….. Newtie is a big fat fart…. I just like sayin’ that…..

  77. I see where the FBI hostage negotiators are being brought in to negotiate the release of the Ship captain taken hostage by pirates.
    A thought, why don’t we arm a few American flagged ships with Gatling guns. A video, of the first pirates to receive a 3 second burst, released on YouTube should make all ships sailing under an American flag safe.
    Pirates are entrepreneurs and they can calculate risk with the best of them. And far better than American bankers these days.
    Jack

  78. If Newt could get pregnant, abortions would be cheap, legal and available at 7-11 .

  79. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-217926
    TIR
    As long as those living in caves stay in their caves, there’s nothing to be done that wouldn’t be more dangerous and expensive than we would want. Not to mention encouraging more people to join the bad guys in the caves.
    We are much better off treating any threats they might present as a police function. A major terrorist cell was just brought down in England. Caused a bit of a stir because there was a leak that forced a day time raid when they usually prefer yanking them out of their beds at night.
    In any case, bad guys all gone. No one injured or killed and the police salary is a lot less than the cost of big bad planes dropping bombs on everybody below guilty or not.

  80. RR
    I didn’t mean interesting as in possibly persuasive but more about who is making the arguments and I was going to add a snarky comment about who was having the discussion and thought better of it

  81. Craig -
    Chloe is right , this is a pretty good clip. The camera shot through the window, real nice.

  82. Feed the birds; t’pence a bag. The dove bailout plan.
    The bankers prefer…
    If you invest your tuppence
    Wisely in the bank
    Safe and sound
    Soon that tuppence,
    Safely invested in the bank,
    Will compound
    And you’ll achieve that sense of conquest
    As your affluence expands
    In the hands of the directors
    Who invest as propriety demands
    Nah, feed the birds.
    Agreed that Craig’s nest looks pretty sturdy compared to some. Two twigs in the nook of an outdoor wall sconce does not make a secure nesting area.

  83. Craig, I guess if someone names them, at least they won’t end up in the cookbook.

  84. Craig, I guess if someone names them, at least they won’t end up in the cookbook.

  85. I’ll leave the naming of three of the doves to others, but the first girl should be Semiramis. Lovely story set in the middle east.
    The girl’s name Semiramis s(e)-mira-mis, sem(i)-ramis is of Hebrew origin, and its meaning is “highest heaven”. Semiramis was an Assyrian queen who, according to myth, built Babylon and turned into a dove when she died. Her legend became the source of inspiration for both Voltaire and Rossini.

  86. Jamie,
    ‘As long as those living in caves stay in their caves’
    Problem is they don’t, and even if they did they have their cockroaches scattered throughout the world to do their bidding. I have no problem seeing these people get killed or captured where we find them, and that goes for their sympathizers. I try to keep my life pretty simple, it is easier that way.

  87. This brave new world of liberalism has sure brought out the anti-choice crowd….they are just coming at it without tying it to religion. For about a year or so before the last election I started seeing more posts by “liberals” on Kos etc blaming choice for liberal woes and suggesting ways to “give” on parts of the issue.

  88. A few weeks after I started doodle bugging, we were sitting on the side of a little drainage on the “Lost Canyon Ranch” in Utah. Across the way almost at eye level was a big old dead pine tree, and along comes this young bald eagle . He lands in the top of the snag, and starts eyeballing us.
    After about 90 seconds of this , a adult golden eagle , in an almost vertical dive, hits the young bald eagle in the back of the head. Knocks him out of the tree, and he tumbles almost to the ground before he finds his balance, and starts flying. We never saw it coming, and barely saw it going.
    We’re up to arm pits in doves here, but they’re mainly cat food.

  89. Jack,
    The cheapest quick and answer for US ships is to put a small security squad of marines or sailors aboard each US merchant vessel as it enters the Red Sea and they get off when it returns or exits the trouble area..
    The military already has 20′ habitation containers for the squads. The container is put on in the US and rides through the voyage. the troops are only aboard during the difficult transit period.

  90. Will Cheney be waterboarded by history?
    “Why does North Korea remind me of Dick Cheney? I think it is because I wish that both would just go away, and also because the best way to deal them is to ignore them. ”
    http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/04/08/will_cheney_be_waterboarded_by_history
    “Like many others, I think that America needs a thorough investigation into what went on during the Bush administration. Not as political retribution, but as national catharsis. Here’s hoping that Cheney’s gamble is the last political act of a fearful, disgraced man. Let Cheney speak, but let’s not listen”
    http://splicetoday.com/politics-and-media/what-s-dick-cheney-up-to

  91. Wonder if this one Craig has is the mother or father? Wonder if he can tell them apart? Doves pair for life. Males take an active parental role. Both parents incubate, produce crop milk, feed older nestlings, and defend territory from potential nest predators. Males sit the nest during the day, females at night. Incubation takes about 14 days and the squabs are fledged in about 14 days.Wonder what rights the male dove figures he has?

  92. Chloe,
    There’s no way that a true impartial investigation of anything by the gov’t is possible. The best you can get is when the gov’t is split between parties and even then political influences cloud the truth.
    It just sets the stage for investigations of the outgoing admin by the incoming…..a bad precedent to set as it becomes permanent and pervasive…..like so many other gov’t endeavours

  93. ” Is Susan Smith an icon of the pro-choice movement? ”
    Only in the sense that Bristol Palin is proof of that abstinence only works.

  94. M’lord….sick but funny…and the perfect question to be asked.

  95. You have a penis, Bob. You’re not allowed to have an opinion on this issue. Oh wait, neither is Lord Bloggington. Whoops!

  96. Cbob,
    Can’t take credit unfortunately…we used this back in the 80′s when we were escorting the Kuwaiti tankers.
    Our frigate escorted and we placed a small security/stinger missile detachment onboard the tanker and they lived in the 20′ containers….

  97. Thought for the day :
    ” Beauty seldom recommends one woman to another. ”

  98. I’m going to restrain from asking you guys to leave Bristol Palin alone. But try to keep in mind, she’s not the first teenager to get pregnant, rather the ridiculous ‘abstinence’ idea was taught or not. There must be another way to argue your point, without using her as your mascot.

  99. I think Lorena Bobbitt is the one we pro abortion folks prefer to deify

  100. I think Lorena Bobbitt is the one we pro abortion folks prefer to deify

  101. Pogo,
    After reading your pregnancy scenario, I don’t know why you’re wasting you billable hours on this blog, you should join the screen writers guild and write soap operas.
    Bye the way did that actually happen back in the hollers? Run, I hear banjo music.

  102. Current conditions in Sand Storm City :
    Wind Speed: W 37 G 57 MPH
    The doves are flying much today.

  103. jax…
    So you don’t misunderstand. From you to Chloe above.
    “It just sets the stage for investigations of the outgoing admin by the incoming…..a bad precedent to set as it becomes permanent and pervasive…..like so many other gov’t endeavours”
    Didn’t we do that with Nixon and what did we get? Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the others tied to them reemerging in the peoples house for the last eight years.
    A precedent was set that allowed them to do what they did and we don’t want to set another one that will allow the next sick perverse person to get in the peoples house to go further then they did.
    There is amble evidence in the public domain that both BushCheney authorized War Crimes. They both admitted it on live television and in doing so convicted themselves by their own words.
    Any and all other crimes committed by them need to be brought to light and if enough evidence exists they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
    This should not be swept under the rug for political expediency, but to once and for all make public that no one is above the law.
    Not even the President.
    I got to go now so have a good day.

  104. The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  105. Why Renee serves on a library board -
    1833 1st tax-supported public library (Peterborough NH)

  106. Ivy,
    A couple years ago, some doves built a nest (read: left a smattering of sticks and then laid two eggs on top) on the nautilus machine on my back porch. Because the porch is covered and the nautilus towards the back (and I don’t really like working out on the nautilus), the eggs hatched and for a few days we had baby doves to watch.
    Then a cat got them.
    The next day all I found was one baby. I thought it was dead, so I got a plastic bag and was going to put it in the trash. I picked it up and to my surprise, it moved a little (you’d have been surprised, too…bird was cold and looked dead), so I brought it inside and put it in the standard shoebox-with-towel-inside, on top of my heating pad. It revived, and I took it to a wild animal rescue center. No idea what happened to it after that, but it was a lot better once it got warmed up.
    I like to think they were able to save it, and release it.

  107. 1865 Robert E Lee & 26,765 troops, surrender to US Grant at Appomattox
    1866 Civil Rights Bill passes over President Andrew Johnson’s veto
    1939 Marian Anderson sings before 75,000 at Lincoln Memorial
    1968 Martin Luther King Jr, buried in Atlanta GA

  108. “I like to think they were able to save it, and release it.
    Julia, I’d bet you anything that they did. They are so good with these creatures, and I think they have a lot of success. That is so great that you did that!

  109. Jamie,
    Yeah….or just arm the merchant crews…..but that carries alot of liability for the companies. That’s why it’s not done too often. Contrary to popular belief it is not illegal for a merchant vessel to be armed for security…..it does create problems when you have to enter multiple foreign ports and they each have different weapons laws…….

  110. 1912 1st exhibition baseball game at Fenway Park (Red Sox vs Harvard)
    1912 Titanic leaves Queenstown Ireland for New York

  111. Re: Ship security & Piracy:
    Sounds like a job for Blackwater. Those pirates will **** a brick.

  112. Speaking of birds -
    1932 Jim Fowler Albany GA, naturalist (Wild Kingdom)

  113. Bow, lol -- why do I waste my time here? Must be more fun than poring through 80 year old industry publications. The spina bifida, IQ 10 thing was just thrown in -- the rest -- I can’t give you a name or names, but I can assure you it ain’t far from reality. Cousin and step-sibling (and parent) sex among teenagers is more commonplace than I like to think about (remember, Mrs. P is a divorce attorney). Like they say about some family trees in WV -- their real problem is that the trees don’t have branches.

  114. jax, one could build a right nice mega macmansion with those ozturks if you had enough of them.

  115. Hey; good slogan for the new name:
    “Xe. Piracy solutions for an over-populated world.”

  116. Most of Blackwater employees are heroes. Their experiences, you’ll never know, and for that you should be thankful. It never fails, those who have never been subjected to their world know how it is suppose to work. Just laughable. Backseat drivers and Monday morning quarterbacks.

  117. No; TIR, Blackwater employees are mercenaries. Big difference.

  118. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218021
    What a wonderful story, Julia. I’m sure it had a happy ending -- at least it did for your part in it. Saving a life is a beautiful thing.
    Later, I’ll come back and share the rest of my chickadees-in-the-bluebird-box story from last week if any-one’s interested in the follow-up. Nature persisted beyond my ego-centric efforts to make it turn out “my way.”

  119. Hey Patsi,
    WC’s been in the news (Indian) for several years prior to the latest flap regarding his comments about 9/11 and the ensuing broil over his status at UC. You probably know that since you lived in the state. He’s had credibility problems in Indian Country about his tribal affiliation long before anyone questioned his scholarship. I, along with many (not most or all), think he’s lying as to his ancestry. So, if he’ll bs about that then you get whatever else is given to you . That part is actually between him and the Cherokees (Keetowahs). Not my biz.
    As to the debate on his tenure. Again they didn’t ask me :). If UC made a mistake, that’s tough shit imo. At the time there was enough information about both his personal and academic background for them to do their due diligence. If he wasn’t properly vetted then they failed and should deal with it. I guess it may cost them if he sues for back pay and his old job.
    Regarding the salon piece. I don’t have a problem with him doing his gig there or anywhere since I consider him harmless. I don’t think he hurts other AIs or the field. He may hurt the college.
    I don’t think he should have been fired for his comments. And I do think he was selectively targeted because of them. Most everyone recognizes those who practice advocacy scholarship. He was/is provocative like many others. My guess is there are many others who would fail under the same scrutiny he got.
    I have actually read some of his stuff and to me it was well written and with good citations. Again I don’t agree with everything and since I didn’t do the translations I took him at his word. If he was lying or falsifying the record, then it should be pointed out, but I fall back on my earlier comment.

  120. TIR
    If they were heroes, they would be in the Army not getting trained by the army then becoming mercenaries so that their owners can gouge the American tax payer.

  121. Got Blonde Wino’s pictures posted, she said it was “staple pucking day”.
    Go Bart go.

  122. Wooooo Pogo. Let’s back this one up. First, let’s get to sacred. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred It derived from a sense of spiritual, not religious in the sense it is often used today. Life is sacred, etc. And the import quite clearly mentioned in dictionaries going back to the origin denotes a “special” sense about something. A sense that something in more than mundane and worth of special care and attention. So I believe my comments were in order.
    Second, let’s us go with what experts say was poorly based reasoning in Roe no matter the result. Based on a woman’s privacy to control her own property, i.e. HER BODY, government has no right in preventing her to abort. This right to control over her BODY which is material and is the ultimate Lockian object is affirmed by the court. I will point out however that the contents of the fetus are not solely hers in fact. There are genes delivered by the male and which contribute half to the developing fetus, so there is still some thorny issues here no matter how the courts formulate their idea of privacy. And then the court goes on to say that after a certain pint, i.e. “when the fetus is able to survive naturally outside the womb (not assisted by artificial means) a woman can no longer destroy the fetus with impunity. Why? Because it is no longer simply someTHING that the woman has total control of on the grounds that it is part of her most intimate PROPERTY. Now SCOTUS might not use such characterizations, but it does come down to this in a very real practical sense. The fact that killing a third trimester fetus in the womb can bring manslaughter charges reveal that this stage fetus enjoys the protection of what is normally reserved for “persons”. How this all has not connection to the establishment of personhood must be beyond my level of comprehension. I was talking philosophical and have said I think what the court produced was faulty reasoning. The result is consistent with my summary.
    Now I understand, and you could be exactly right, that Roe does not discuss the fetus as property, but rather talks about the mother’s right to privacy regarding her bodily functions. I think this is missing the target. The relationship of the mother to fetus is in fact a material AND personal relationship and as I noted concerns issues important to society as well as the necessary involvement of a third part a la the father. In fact the fetus is distinct from both the father and mother. It will likely become a living person, so it is intrinsically different than a private relationship or a property issue. And yes, women were once considered property, so the court was remiss in not distinguishing the uniqueness of the fertilized embryo from a matter of privacy. In any case, I understand you are a lawyer (I knew that) and you are coming from a different arena than me. If I attributed something to you rather noting what I think is implied in your response, my apology.
    I do note that various cases for homicide or manslaughter have been brought against people who killed a third trimester fetus. How can such charges be leveled if the fetus, even at nine months is not endowed with recognized “personhood”? There have been cases where a fetus that meets the criteria of “surviving outside the womb naturally” occurs before the time periods established by Roe. It is astounding that rational law could say that a fetus that meets such criteria can be legally terminated inside the womb, but would be murder to destroy said fetus outside the womb. It makes no rational or moral sense (again, see my comments on sacred). My overall view was that Roe was bad law, cleared up few issues and can hardly deal with the situations now occurring. In fact, the court will have some problem defining “natural”, “viable”.
    And your comment concerning the direction of the court going beyond what our Founders envisioned during Reagan is not supported by fact. The huge expansion of the Commerce Clause is just one example of an expansion of Federal power not envisioned by the Founding Brothers. I suggest your intended application of Equal Protection and perhaps the General Welfare Clause also exceeds their intention. It is my belief such expansion requires Constitutional Amendments as I do in the case of gay marriage, but not in the case of discrimination of women or racial groups. And last, I rather doubt the Founding Brothers had in mind your concept of Federalism or even your read of the 2nd Amendment, but those are other cans of worms. If you want to have a real intellectual discussion about these subjects I highly recommend you go to Stubborn Facts and put the question directly to Simon. Or you could go to Althouse and ask her. I assure you they will produce all the citations you want. What I present here is just my inexpert opinion based on reading, as you can see I am not a lawyer.
    And thanks Pogo for being patient, explaining your positions and be cheerful about debate. I suspect we are not so wide apart in general inclinations except in our appraisal of Hawks.
    http://books.google.com/books?id=queMnPXWisoC&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10&dq=virtues+of+hawks&source=bl&ots=iZ_Ewximk5&sig=QFAZANBvHlNcPge7KhjPMT9VkBg&hl=en&ei=AT_eScCEGY6clQeQ3OFJ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#PPA10,M1

  123. Wooooo Pogo. Let’s back this one up. First, let’s get to sacred. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred It derived from a sense of spiritual, not religious in the sense it is often used today. Life is sacred, etc. And the import quite clearly mentioned in dictionaries going back to the origin denotes a “special” sense about something. A sense that something in more than mundane and worth of special care and attention. So I believe my comments were in order.
    Second, let’s us go with what experts say was poorly based reasoning in Roe no matter the result. Based on a woman’s privacy to control her own property, i.e. HER BODY, government has no right in preventing her to abort. This right to control over her BODY which is material and is the ultimate Lockian object is affirmed by the court. I will point out however that the contents of the fetus are not solely hers in fact. There are genes delivered by the male and which contribute half to the developing fetus, so there is still some thorny issues here no matter how the courts formulate their idea of privacy. And then the court goes on to say that after a certain pint, i.e. “when the fetus is able to survive naturally outside the womb (not assisted by artificial means) a woman can no longer destroy the fetus with impunity. Why? Because it is no longer simply someTHING that the woman has total control of on the grounds that it is part of her most intimate PROPERTY. Now SCOTUS might not use such characterizations, but it does come down to this in a very real practical sense. The fact that killing a third trimester fetus in the womb can bring manslaughter charges reveal that this stage fetus enjoys the protection of what is normally reserved for “persons”. How this all has not connection to the establishment of personhood must be beyond my level of comprehension. I was talking philosophical and have said I think what the court produced was faulty reasoning. The result is consistent with my summary.
    Now I understand, and you could be exactly right, that Roe does not discuss the fetus as property, but rather talks about the mother’s right to privacy regarding her bodily functions. I think this is missing the target. The relationship of the mother to fetus is in fact a material AND personal relationship and as I noted concerns issues important to society as well as the necessary involvement of a third part a la the father. In fact the fetus is distinct from both the father and mother. It will likely become a living person, so it is intrinsically different than a private relationship or a property issue. And yes, women were once considered property, so the court was remiss in not distinguishing the uniqueness of the fertilized embryo from a matter of privacy. In any case, I understand you are a lawyer (I knew that) and you are coming from a different arena than me. If I attributed something to you rather noting what I think is implied in your response, my apology.
    I do note that various cases for homicide or manslaughter have been brought against people who killed a third trimester fetus. How can such charges be leveled if the fetus, even at nine months is not endowed with recognized “personhood”? There have been cases where a fetus that meets the criteria of “surviving outside the womb naturally” occurs before the time periods established by Roe. It is astounding that rational law could say that a fetus that meets such criteria can be legally terminated inside the womb, but would be murder to destroy said fetus outside the womb. It makes no rational or moral sense (again, see my comments on sacred). My overall view was that Roe was bad law, cleared up few issues and can hardly deal with the situations now occurring. In fact, the court will have some problem defining “natural”, “viable”.
    And your comment concerning the direction of the court going beyond what our Founders envisioned during Reagan is not supported by fact. The huge expansion of the Commerce Clause is just one example of an expansion of Federal power not envisioned by the Founding Brothers. I suggest your intended application of Equal Protection and perhaps the General Welfare Clause also exceeds their intention. It is my belief such expansion requires Constitutional Amendments as I do in the case of gay marriage, but not in the case of discrimination of women or racial groups. And last, I rather doubt the Founding Brothers had in mind your concept of Federalism or even your read of the 2nd Amendment, but those are other cans of worms. If you want to have a real intellectual discussion about these subjects I highly recommend you go to Stubborn Facts and put the question directly to Simon. Or you could go to Althouse and ask her. I assure you they will produce all the citations you want. What I present here is just my inexpert opinion based on reading, as you can see I am not a lawyer.
    And thanks Pogo for being patient, explaining your positions and be cheerful about debate. I suspect we are not so wide apart in general inclinations except in our appraisal of Hawks.
    http://books.google.com/books?id=queMnPXWisoC&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10&dq=virtues+of+hawks&source=bl&ots=iZ_Ewximk5&sig=QFAZANBvHlNcPge7KhjPMT9VkBg&hl=en&ei=AT_eScCEGY6clQeQ3OFJ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#PPA10,M1

  124. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218037
    Pat
    The wifes old boss may have PMed the construction on that Afgan base they pictured. He tried to get FEMA to store a bunch of the collaspable ones to have fast emergency shelters. He thought he had it done only to have the contract nobid out from under him by an Alaska Native Corporation. And the result of that as you noted in a previous post is history.
    They do have units that are stackable up to 3 high if memory serves me. He was working with an italian company. Nobody in the US did them at the time. 5 yr ago.
    Jack

  125. Max
    The one thing you leave out about third trimester terminations is that virtually none are “on demand”. It takes some critical condition of the mother or significant disability of the fetus that threatens to mother to cause one if only because it is a life threatening surgery by itself. This is a traumatic and heartbreaking event and only 1/2 of 1% of all terminations happen after 24 weeks..
    To hear the right wing talk you would think hoards of women in their eighth month are waddling up to abortion clinics to be rid of a “mistake”. It just isn’t true.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/USAbortionbyGestationalAgeChart2002.png

  126. Obama missed the chance to thank Blackwater. Had these people who took great risks in Iraq not been there, Iraq would surely have been lost. Private security is becoming an increasingly important fact of life. Today an important cleric has pulled out of talks with the Taliban in Pakistan and new projections don’t give Pakistan much time. If the moderate government falls to extremists, Obama will be facing serious questions about what he boldly predicted during the primary running against Hillary. I told everyone here that Pakistan and miserable international support was the real reason Afhanstan was sinking, not the partisan spin Barak declared.
    A Pakistani cabbie told me this today (I paraphrase)
    “Bush calmed things between Pakistan and India before he went to Afhanistan with troops. He did this so Musharraf could redeploy troops along the border in the West and catch the militants in a pincer move preventing them from reforming in Pakistan. Musharraf didn’t do this. And who put a junior general in charge of Pakistan? Sharif, who Clinton blasted during his years. Clinton was quite [pissed] that Sharif was doing nothing about elevating Musharraf and allowing him to wave the bomb towards India. And Bhutto’s husband now in control? He’s a crook and even negotiated with the Taliban who murdered his wife. First he spread rumors Musharraf was connected to her death. We in Pakistan know arrogance killed Bhutto and many followers, yet the Western Press completely misrepresented events in an effort to demonize Bush and advance Democratic thinking far from the reality on the ground.”
    He then turned back and looked at me……
    “Give Pakistan a few billion? The bankers got more than that in bonuses for ruining your economy”.
    I couldn’t help but laugh. And this cabbie came here eight years ago, seeing the danger looming in his nation. He was educated and well spoken. He added that he used to imagine Democrats as defending liberty and justice. I told him the doves have come back to roost and that many Democrats don’t really care about Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, or even unfortunately Israel. That is something to think about for moderates in both Israel and Pakistan.
    He also said something else-
    “bombing us with robots is considered very unmanly. This creates something in the people Americans don’t understand. We only understand the sword unfortunately, but not delivered by faceless machines in the sky. This gets everyone very angry.”
    I thought about that for a while as I had another cup of coffee in a clean coffee shop far from where people are losing their lives and perhaps their future.

  127. Jamie I agree but I brought up the third because of the thinking behind Roe, not to suggest that many mothers make this decision often. I was suggesting the after 24 weeks something happens and a fetus does become “something like a person” which I think is reflected in the result of Roe. If we take a poll as has been done, most people reject third term abortions because they do consider it murder unless the mother’s life is in serious danger,
    Yep, you are right and I do not stray to far from the result of Roe, but rather the reasoning which will not clarify all the new issues technology brings. And for the record, I do not marginalize what women go through birthing nor the role they have always played in the defense of liberty.

  128. Max
    I think what gets such strident reaction from the majority of women against the anti roe folks isn’t because they particularly support third or in many cases even second term abortions. It is that they want to make the decision for themselves with their doctors for their personal reasons and fear ANY incursion into those rights as threatening the whole of them.
    No one in this country is forcing a woman to abort. If you don’t want to have one don’t, but keep your opinions about my body to yourself.
    I was pointing out the 3rd term statistics because you brought up whether or not it was “murder” in someone attacked a woman and caused the death of the infant she was carrying. I would say that a homicide has taken place. The degree of that homicide would depend on intent since not all homicides are murders.

  129. So what’s going on here? Why are Treasury officials privately telling reporters that everyone is going to pass but that some banks will receive a pass-minus and may be required to do things that are almost certainly impossible? Are they just trying to lay the groundwork for failure and temporary nationalization later on? Or what?
    I’m having a harder and harder time figuring out what’s going on as time goes by. If everything is on the up and up, it doesn’t make sense. If there are hidden wheels, though, I’m not sure they make sense either. Just what is Treasury up to?
    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/04/what-does-pass-mean-you

  130. BTW Jax,
    You are probably right about how to defend the ships. But you have ta admit that a video of what a gatlinggun could do to a little speed boat would be impressive.

  131. Still, it seems that after 24 weeks a case supported by the “majority” would be killing the fetus amounts to some form of murder.
    If you mean by “keep your opinions about my body to yourself” that the fetus before 24 or so weeks ought to have NO regulations, how about behavior that damages the fetus. Isn’t excessive drinking illegal? Should heavy smoking or dangerous activities be a concern? Your declaration is so total and seems to imply the fetus is all yours, that the father has NO SAY and that the behavior women engage in which might damage the fetus is not a valid subject for ANY law. Again, let’s say all women drank heavily during pregnancy. Society including other mothers and men have NO SAY about behavior that threatens the continuiy of society or produces affects which all of society must pay for? Perhaps Pogo can tell what laws are already on the books.
    I understand your distain for getting slammed by SOCONS claiming the fetus has a soul, that ANY abortion is murder. So I understand your rage. But you take such a hard defensive line which I feel is counterproductive to rational debate. What if your next door neighbor intentionally trapped a man into pregnancy to get at his millions? Good for her? What if the man had evidence of this? What if another pregnant woman smoked crack? Have you no outrage, no feeling that law should deal with this?
    So again, I don’t mean to argue your general counter to fundies, but perhaps in being so unyielding, you thwart reasonable questions concerning a process that affects all over time.
    Just a thought Jamie….

  132. “Just a thought Jamie”
    Max, you never had “just a thought” In your life. ;-)
    Jack

  133. “http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218056″
    KGC
    I don’t have a clue but the stock market must like it. The hundred dollar bet I made on Bank of America a few weeks ago made me $70 just today

  134. max, no, no, no. you are ignoring the derivation of sacred. Your use of it was appropriate, but the word comes from ; ME, 1275–1325 originally from sacren -- to consecrate, which was from the Latin sacrare -- to devote and was a derivative of sacer -- holy. It is a religious basis -- things aren’t consecrated in the spirtual sense, only in a religious sense -- consecration is a religious rite and holy is a religious concept. I acknowledged that there is a modern non-religious use of the word, and you claim that is the sense in which you are using it. Fine.
    Your analysis about property in Roe is simply wrong. While you may think Roe was wrongly decided, and there are good arguments that it was, property was not a consideration. The change in the third trimester is because the state’s interest increases as the fetus becomes viable (remember that was ’73, and medical science wrt neonatology has advanced a great deal since then). Your notion of property may be purposeful, and in some contexts meritorious, but it does not comport with the legal analysis employed by the Roe court. Many critics of Roe assert that before the 3rd trimester the fetus is treated as nothing more than property, but that is just a bad analogy that is unconnected to the court’s privacy versus state’s interest analysis. That you would have wanted to see a property discussion is beside the point.
    I will grant you that those courts that have employed contract theory to decide zygote cases have used analysis that could just as easily been applied to mere property disputes -- and any number of other disputes that are based in contract -- but no case I’ve seen has based its decision on property rights. The distinction between “Roe” cases and those cases is that the mother does not have the fertilized egg developing inside her, so the privacy issue in Roe is not really invoked.
    The third trimester fetus murder and manslaughter cases that sound in criminal law are based on definitions in the criminal code of the state in which the prosecutions have been brought that extend personhood to fetuses UNDER CRIMINAL LAW statues. But those prosecutions have been few, and really limited. That does not have the effect of bestowing fundamental rights to the fetus -- and yes, I do see the inherent contradiction, which is why I do not believe those laws are consistent with the current state of the law as the Supreme Court would read it. They have never taken the issue up to my knowledge, so stay tuned.
    To my knowledge there has never been a successful criminal prosecution of a physician simply for performing an abortion because the fetus died. If such a prosecution has occurred, I would love to read the opinion -- courts sometimes do legal gymnastics to arrive at novel positions that go contrary to existing law, and it makes for fun reading if you have the sick mind of one who likes to read legal opinions. The one that I am fairly well aware of was a case where both the mother and the fetus died as a result of an abortion. It was a California case and was hugely controversial.
    You apparently misunderstood what I was saying about the intent of the founders wrt the Court. I meant to say that the court was envisioned to be outside the political sphere and immune from the pressures of the ideological factions that pressure elected officials -- which is why appointments to federal judicial posts are for life. Reagan raised vetting to an art form, filling courts with nominees who passed a conservative litmus test, and Bush 43 perfected it (and I don’t claim that Clinton didn’t attempt to do the same thing). That had not really been done in the past although every President presumably filled vacancies with jurists who were more like them that unlike them politically.
    Earl Warren is a great example of how the founders’ intent was effected -- he was considered to be somewhat conservative when Eisenhower appointed him -- but is credited with presiding over arguably the most progressive SCOTUS in history. Eisenhower later said Warren was the biggest diaappointment of his presidency. David Souter is another good example. It goes to show that the Court does not have to bow to the same political pressures that elected officials do. That is what I was talking about, and I would submit that the court, as a result, operates as the founders envisioned. Original intent with respect to individual issues taken up by the court is a different issue altogether. We would differ in our perspectives on that, whcih goes to the nature of the Constitution -- at least I’d reckon that we’d differ on that.
    Actually, I think hawks are fine -- I just don’t see nearly as many of them as I do turkey buzzards -- which do a magnificent job of crapping all over our cars when the rest in the trees above them.

  135. but pogo, where would we be without turkey buzzards? up to our hubcaps in roadkill that’s where.

  136. Max
    You do leap off the deep end and start flailing don’t you? :-) What rage? What defensiveness? Anything of the sort is probably directed at all the neo cons and Evangelicals male and female. I don’t need a cause such as abortion to be pissed off at them for ruining my country and generally being disagreeable twits.
    .
    If and when a male of the species is able to carry a child to term, he can argue for his half of the creation. Until then, he will have to wait for delivery to sue for custody.
    As to some woman “tricking” a man into fathering and unwanted pregnancy. Well that’s what happens when you don’t protect yourself. Why should I be sympathetic towards him for being fool enough to let his little brain overpower his big brain.
    My position on that one is simple. I’ve always said any wealthy man who asked me to marry him and didn’t ask for a prenup was too stupid for me to marry. :-) The same goes for some man who doesn’t take responsibility when he knows he is using a loaded weapon.
    Now I’m stricter on the woman who drinks, smokes, and takes drugs while pregnant. You could actually talk me into “protective custody” on that one as a possible law in some extreme cases. Too many infants are born addicted to crack and condemned to a lifetime of problems because their mothers are addicts. That conversation could take us off into what I think of Social Workers who allow children to remain in or be returned to dangerous circumstances for the sake of family unity.

  137. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218002
    you guys are giving me quite the education on dove.
    Buford, here’s the thing — I have seen no signs of a second parent, going back to when the nest was built and ever since, which is why i assumed this is a female — and i’ve watched quite closely — think we might have a single mother in this case, all the more reason for Trail Mix to take her “under wing”

  138. Jack
    Wells Fargo had a good earnings report so the market went up --just like it did on the news Citi had made money ..yet it appears Citi is still in trouble??? What’s up with that.
    Good for Wells. They did a somewhat better job on lending and stayed out of the riskier loans so they should be making money. But everything else is still in the crapper so take the money and run.

  139. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218058
    OK, here’s what I know. Laws vary from state to state, and most of the bad prenatal care laws are vague. Here, they are applied in a draconian manner to take the kid away from the abuser (usually drugs rather than alcohol), who may eventually get through an improvement period and get their kid back. Otherwise, it’s state custody then adoption. And it’s bullshit. The laws here were devised by agenda driven nuts (lawyers) to create a system of adoption of little white babies for folks who didn’t want to adopt the little black babies that were available. I hope that other states don’t have similar draconian laws or draconian application of facially reasonable laws. But I don’t have an opinion on the issue. :-(

  140. Pogo
    I’m firmly convinced that the loss of adoptable little white babies thanks to birth control is what is behind all the fight over Roe v Wade. With all the children in foster care and of mixed races why all the trekking to China to get an “acceptable” Asian child?
    Then there are all the “in vitro” kids. It’s not as if there weren’t children desperately needing homes, but no they have to have one of “their” own.
    Opposed to stem cell research? 400,000 unwanted embryos in the freezer, but lets make a big deal out of the 200 “Snowflake” babies. How is death by abortion different than death by freezer burn? If you are opposed to using them for stem cell research, I want to see a long line of right wing wombs lining up for transplants.

  141. jamie, you may certainly be right about the loss of adoptable little white babies, birth control and the fight over Roe. I had never really thought about that. And if you’re looking for someone to argue against use of unwanted embryos for stem cell research, you’ll have to turn to someone else. I see it as a summum bonum issue. Of course I’m sure it will be very easy to find someone to take up that mantle.

  142. jamie, you may certainly be right about the loss of adoptable little white babies, birth control and the fight over Roe. I had never really thought about that. And if you’re looking for someone to argue against use of unwanted embryos for stem cell research, you’ll have to turn to someone else. I see it as a summum bonum issue. Of course I’m sure it will be very easy to find someone to take up that mantle.

  143. “so take the money and run”
    KGC
    But I’ve got the dice in my hand and they feel hot. Let it ride. One more roll, I can take the wife out to the Savoy, for steak and lobster.
    I suspect much of the hesitancy at treasury is they no more than the banks themselves know what some of the loan assets are worth.
    It could be we a re at the bottom of the ressetion so most of those assets are very valuable even though nobody will give you ten cents on the dollar now.
    Or
    Things continue to get worse and they are worthless. Right now either direction looks the same.
    Jack

  144. jack, phonetic spelling is fine here. I can hear it even if I can’t see it.

  145. Well, BOYZ — I have a family member alive because she aborted a third trimester fetus that would have been born nearly brain dead. The continued pregnancy would have threatened her life. She was nearly suicidal over it. Because ASSHOLES were saying that she’d be committing murder. So Jax. Max and anyone else in the throw-away-women corner….FU.

  146. From the Bachman wikiality :
    “Bachmann and the other candidates were defeated at the polls, but the race raised her political profile among her future “base” (pro-life creationist evangelical voters who fear that socialist homosexual imperial stormtroopers are coming to take away their handguns and sodomize them.)”
    Pinching hard to keep from pissin myself. (PHTKFPM)
    Patsi, it’s incredible to me that anyone would criticize or even question such an anguished decision.
    now I gotta scoot.

  147. Very good Pogo. I actually understand your points. I guess my confusion is that the “result” does overlap nicely the personhood issue and it is easy to transpose the frame work of one outline over another. I think I understand how you say the actual ruling in Roe circumscribed issues that steered clear of my inexpert framing and while I may be right in how I think a clear ruling would look like, Roe isn’t it. Still, I think the explanation of penalty after 24 weeks is vague at best if it does not account for personhood. Privacy in itself does little to explain protections given the unique location and significance of the zygote. And of course, privacy in the Constitution usually attached itself to property. I think some rulings on conversations was rejected by SCOTUS. It is hard to fathom a protection from Roe without an issue of ownership, but then many have said the logic in Roe is poor at best.
    I also understand the point about SCOTUS picks, but alas Reagan didn’t pick the winners he thought he had. Still, I think I was right that in earlier picks the court did move past intention to prescriptions and expanded things far beyond original intent. There is something important to be said about orginalism. But then probably loath Scalia. Some things in the modern court I like (desegregation and the result of Roe) and some things I don’t, but that is how the SCOTUS crumbles…….
    I still wish you would hone your chops with Simon the Libertarian (not sure he would like that term) and for an extra workout Althouse is more like Grind House. Some heavy hitters you could spar with. I am quite serious. Just register at Stubborn Facts (no, I’m not a marketing tool for them) and hit him on a thread. He needs the workout.
    Since I am not a lawyer, I will go over your response and reply later to some debatable views. At this point going in a general circle will lose entertainment value.
    Jamie…lol, I get your point though some of your nuance is debatable to me at least. I did mean rage against SOCONS, not all rational debate. Boy do I have a headline story from a year ago about what one woman did to win support from two wealthy doctors no less. I guess a person’s statement she was on birth control doesn’t count or even taking the sperm and placing it….well, you get the picture. Pogo would have a field day with that one.
    The NEOCON rage thing is too politicized for me to be much worth arguing. As you can see in my stories of virtue for young children, Genghis did lament his anger at his trusty hawk (after he killed him)…..and so will you eventually. Not to infer you are anywhere near young child, or lacking virtue.
    Now if Obama can figure out how to deal with pirates, he can work his way up to Iran. However, I wonder about the time scale of the O-team learning curve. Our threats are increasing at a rather fast rate.
    Craig, I can say I learned some things here today. Yep, even Liberal Hawks can do more than prey. Scoop Jackson would be proud you’ve given me a perch….

  148. Pats, that is so out of line, you only embarrass yourself.
    Get a grip. I made it perfectly clear about the mother’s life being most important and I didn’t even share my view on deformities of mental states. Go take a cheap shot elsewhere………….
    You really are going to claim healthy third trimester fetus isn’t worthy of protection? Even Palin has better sense.

  149. Pats, that is so out of line, you only embarrass yourself.
    Get a grip. I made it perfectly clear about the mother’s life being most important and I didn’t even share my view on deformities of mental states. Go take a cheap shot elsewhere………….
    You really are going to claim healthy third trimester fetus isn’t worthy of protection? Even Palin has better sense.

  150. Jamie your view on freezer burn, although not really what happens is right on. Seems Bush would rather flush than discover. Total idiocy masked behind some vague moral arguement.
    Bravo.

  151. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218066
    Consulting “The Birder’s Handbook” regarding shared incubation between the sexes for doves generally, and Mourning Doves specifically, it says: “the female incubates at night while the male takes his turn during “working hours — about 9 am to 5 pm,” and “Female builds [nest] but male brings materials; built in 1-3 days, often reused; males produce crop milk 4-6 days longer than females…”
    http://www.amazon.com/Birders-Handbook-Natural-History-American/dp/0671659898/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239310384&sr=1-1
    That is not to say our Trail Mix dove is not doing her own thing. Birds don’t read these authoritative books written about them. They’re re-writing the manuals as we go… :)

  152. I was cleaning up and throwing out old documents on the computer and came across the following received in 2005 from a friend in England. Given the President’s recent trip, it’s kind of fun:
    EUROPEAN TERROR ALERT STATUS
    Following the terrorist activity in London recently the
    FRENCH government announced that it has raised its terror alert level from ‘Run’ to ‘Hide’. The only two higher levels in France are ‘Surrender’ and ‘Collaborate’. The rise was precipitated by a recent fire which destroyed France’s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing their military.
    The ITALIANS have increased their alert level from “shouting excitedly” to “elaborate military posturing”. Two more levels remain, “ineffective
    combat operations” and “change sides”.
    The GERMANS have also increased their alert state from “disdainful arrogance” to “full dress-uniform and marching songs”. They have two higher levels, “invade a neighbor” and “lose”.
    Seeing this reaction in continental Europe the AMERICANS have gone from “isolationism” to “find somewhere ripe for regime change”. Their remaining higher alert states are “take on the world” and “ask the
    British for help”.
    In IRELAND the alert state has changed from “Ah sure, what’s the problem” to “Ah sure, what’s the problem -- Sur” The highest alert state is “Last orders gentlemen”
    Finally in the UNITED KINGDOM they’ve gone from “pretend nothing’s happening” to “make another cup of tea”. The higher levels are “chin-up and remain cheerful” and “win”.

  153. sure be glad when i achieve perfection in my own
    personal life ” i then can also feel superior enough to dictate to others on how to live theirs

  154. Jamie, your list is funny, but perhaps it’s better not pissing off the Germans……..
    I wonder what the Russian Threat Alerts look like
    or the Japanese

  155. Max
    We will have to invent them. That list was left over from some old email exchange.

  156. Patsi,
    Not sure how I got in the throw away women corner……I guess by suggesting that the decisions of the couple should be a couples decision……..Wow…..

  157. hey, big news, now that Ivy and others have taught me what to look for, yes there are two parents in our dove family. i just observed the changing of the guard. i heard a flurry of wings and was initially concerned because the eggs were exposed. then noticed ma and pa just a few yards away feeding on a nearby tree. after dinner, one returned to the nest — and is much smaller than the one on duty during the day — so which do we think is the male and which is the female?

  158. I think the smaller one is female for for doves. And of course there is little chance that they are both identical. Nature has a funny way of doing things…..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove doesn’t say Craig, unless I missed it. Both parents can feed there young.
    Funny, there IS a war pigeon and a kosher dove…..lol and then there are laughing pigeons, some you find here, but beware the dodo was dove related and we know how that turned out………

  159. And then there was the Passenger Pigeon. That one didn’t work out too well either.

  160. yep, if the smaller one is the female, i guess she’s pulling the night shift while dad goes out drinkin and gamblin with the boys, wouldn’t ya know.
    patsi is not going to like that one bit.

  161. i read somewhere they like to eat peanut butter, so i put a little clump by the nest. but they haven’t touched it. guess they’re hip to the news reports about bad peanut butter. but this is supposed to be the good stuff.

  162. Max is correct, the female is smaller. She does the evening and night watch. Her coloring is “duller;” he has more iridescence.

  163. Funny maybe they eat only the organic stuff…., and Jamie what a shame about carrier pigeons. In this world of unsecured messaging and cyber snooping what a great tactical advantage in the field. I have read about some pigeon exploits (they have great strength) that were truly amazin….
    Oops we would then need those hawks to down AQ carrier pigeons….

  164. Funny maybe they eat only the organic stuff…., and Jamie what a shame about carrier pigeons. In this world of unsecured messaging and cyber snooping what a great tactical advantage in the field. I have read about some pigeon exploits (they have great strength) that were truly amazin….
    Oops we would then need those hawks to down AQ carrier pigeons….

  165. Hard to believe that the passenger pigeon with one flock size estimated at two billion went extinct in modern times.

  166. The Mourning Dove used to go by the name of Carolina Dove or Carolina Turtledove.
    Besides their relation to the extinct Passenger Pigeon, the “Carolina” part puts them in connection to the other extinct North American bird, the Carolina Parakeet, the only parrot species native to the eastern United States. This native parakeet was once abundant, but it was also a farm pest which sealed its doom.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_Parakeet

  167. craig
    i think the peanut butter is used as a edible adhesive
    roll the peanut butter in bird seed then stick it somewhere nearby” any that what my mother does

  168. Jamie,
    “If they were heroes, they would be in the Army not getting trained by the army then becoming mercenaries so that their owners can gouge the American tax payer.”
    Your lack of knowledge in this area is nothing less than breath taking. As I said previously, most Blackwater employees are ex SEALS, Army Rangers, Marine Recon, Green Beanies etc. They, unlike the second guesser bean counters pi-heads, have served their country well and are true heroes.
    There are those who do, who get out on the playing field and mix it up. Then there are those who sit comfortably behind the safety of the plexiglas and shout and scream, nit pick, call names, because that is all they are good for as they are devoid of any testosterone, backbone, guts, pretty much just cowards when it come right down to it.
    BTW, Fallujah bridge, hanging, dismembered, burning Americans bodies just happened to be Blackwater employees.

  169. for the record….
    I don’t care who talks about abortion…. and who’s defending who’s rights….
    but a blog hogging of 3 days (feels more like 3 weeks) with long winded posts enough to glass over the eyes of even people like me who read novels…..
    feels more like GORDO on steroids than on meaningful debate…..
    and IMO…. it’s rude to the rest of us….
    just my 2 cents……

  170. Craig….
    if you want to learn about birds… it seems you are in luck….. there seems to be many avid birders here…..
    CBob…. not only is Peterborough, NH the site of the first public library……
    it’s also THE town of “Our Town”…..

  171. Jamie is a woman, TiR. I’d be willing to guess she’s “devoid of testosterone”. Maybe Blackwater employees WERE heroes while serving their country in its military. Taking a higher salary to fight alongside soldiers doing the same job for 1/4 of the pay does not a hero make.

  172. “she aborted a third trimester fetus that would have been born nearly brain dead.”
    But what about the ones where nothing his wrong with either the child or the mother, except maybe the mother is suffering from mental calamity. It happen you know. Murdering perfectly healthy babies in the 3rd trimester is just old premeditated murder.

  173. “she aborted a third trimester fetus that would have been born nearly brain dead.”
    But what about the ones where nothing his wrong with either the child or the mother, except maybe the mother is suffering from mental calamity. It happen you know. Murdering perfectly healthy babies in the 3rd trimester is just old premeditated murder.

  174. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218103
    Max --
    To my knowledge, we still have the Carrier or Homing Pigeons which are trained domesticated Rock Doves, better known as common pigeons.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_pigeon
    They are all related -- doves and pigeons -- but are distinct species. I’m wondering if C-Bob’s flocks today are Inca Doves, one of my favorites from my Texas days.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_Dove

  175. “You really are going to claim healthy third trimester fetus isn’t worthy of protection? Even Palin has better sense.”
    Max, you continue to show yourself to be an idiot. That’s not what I said and you know it. The very thought of men like you having ANY control over women’s bodies is chilling. I think you are a fascist.

  176. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218115
    TIR, As was noted above, third trimester abortions after 24 weeks gestation are 1/2 of 1% of all abortions. Of that group the majority are due to a threat to the life of the mother. The circumstance you describe is unbelievably rare because the surgery itself is a threat to the life of the mother and no doctor undertakes it lightly.
    It’s only right wing diatribes that make it sound as if they were happening daily on every street corner. It is such a heartbreaking decision that no one should be butting in to the situation between a woman and her doctor.

  177. lord-bloggington.myopenid.com,
    Well Lord, so your position is if you get out of the military and get hired by Blackwater you should receive the same salary as the military unit you just left. So a MP who leaves the military and get a job a police office, state trooper etc, his salary should stay the same as when he was a MP? A number of our finest get out and find civilian jobs working for the government doing the same thing as they did when they were in the military. How about a military doctor, should he try to make it on the same pay when he becomes a private doctor, What about JAGS? I think we have a lawyer here on this blog, wonder if he could make on a military salary.
    Jamie is a female…hmmm. A Liberal female no doubt as her answers made me feel all nice and warm. Enjoying all the comforts and safety of the plexiglas.

  178. Ivy….
    yes….. CBob posted that in his “this day in history” list….
    I live only a few miles from Peterborough NH….. it’s a great small town…..
    it’s a retirement place for a lot of shaker and movers…. as well as a lot of old hippies….. it has a wonderful movie theatre that gets all the artsy fartsy flicks…. has a great symphony despite it’s small size…. really good places to hear folk and jazz music…. and of course…. a really great crafts gallery that sells lots of my scarves….
    oh yeah…. and as CBob noted….. it has the first tax supported public library in this country….

  179. http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/04/09/biden_cheney/index.html
    ‘Biden vs. Cheney: Who’s the jerk?’
    ‘There’s been relatively little discussion of how abhorrent and unprecedented Cheney’s attacks on President Obama (his cousin!) have been. Likewise, the last time Cheney attacked Obama, it was spokesman Robert Gibbs who was put on the media hot seat for lashing back at Darth Cheney. Let’s remember: It was years before Bill Clinton or Al Gore criticized the Bush administration in any way, and Cheney’s claim, right out of the gate, that Obama is making the nation “less safe” is the worst thing anyone can say about a new president. It’s clear Cheney’s gone rogue; President Bush has said he plans to keep his mouth shut and respect his successor, and he’s done so.’

  180. “1/2 of 1% of all abortions.”
    1,206,200 reported abortions for the year 2007. That amounts to 6,031 trimester abortions, using your figures. I’ll be generous and say 2/3 were needed, but that mean 1/3, over 2000, were health babies who were murdered.

  181. Posted by: lord-bloggington.myopenid.com | April 9, 2009 12:55 PM : “Is Susan Smith an icon of the pro-choice movement?”
    Actually, she was a pro-lifer whose father was once head of the SC republilican Party.

  182. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218123
    TIR
    We are discussing the US Army training these men and women at a great deal of expense of taxpayer dollars and then having them hired away by a company that now doesn’t need to train them they can just bill the US Army and exhorbitant amount of money for their services, again at taxpayer expense.
    On top of that they operate outside of the normal military controls with less oversight leading to crimes with no real punishment
    Maybe the US Army should pull out entirely and let the Iraqis pay Xe (Blackwater alias to protect the guilty) if they really want them around.

  183. Seeing as how we’re not going to all agree on the subject of abortion and no amount of arguing will ever convince anyone of anything, let’s all take a break from the serious business and watch a cartoon, okay, kids?
    Here’s my favorite cartoon EVAR:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j--UTqLZMRg

  184. Seeing as how we’re not going to all agree on the subject of abortion and no amount of arguing will ever convince anyone of anything, let’s all take a break from the serious business and watch a cartoon, okay, kids?
    Here’s my favorite cartoon EVAR:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j--UTqLZMRg

  185. “i guess she’s pulling the night shift while dad goes out drinkin and gamblin with the boys, wouldn’t ya know.
    patsi is not going to like that one bit.”
    Nah, Craig — that kind of stuff isn’t on my radar….

  186. “woman and her doctor”
    Typical Liberal female. Didn’t you forget someone in this major decision making process, how about the father, doesn’t he have a say in all this? But they sure do bitch when the father isn’t around to make any decisions.
    It’s my body BS theory.
    What about females who commit suicide, or turn into crack whores, do you not care about them? According to you it is their bodies they should be allow to do with their bodies as they wish. It is after all their bodies to do with as they what isn’t it?
    If these white women wouldn’t abort their babies, maybe there be more white babies up for adoption. You know what they say, one person’s trash is another person’s treasure.

  187. Dry seeds are little carb packages that are useful for bulking up in preparation for winter and hard times. At this time of year doves are looking for bugs and tender shoots. Green peas might be appetizing for them than dry seeds. I used to thaw and lightly cook frozen green peas to feed the birds. That worked well until squirrels discovered the banquet.
    Unfortunately, peas, like eggs, tend to roll off the roof. Which reminds me, they might enjoy a little egg.

  188. “If these white women wouldn’t abort their babies, maybe there be more white babies up for adoption. ”
    Sounds pretty racist to me….

  189. I’m invoking rules on Patsi. Brian got banned for the same stuff.

  190. Patsi
    Up above I mentioned that one of the reasons the far right was so upset about abortion was that birth control had decreased the number of available white infants for adoptions and they had to get in vitro or trek all the way to China for another color they found acceptable instead of giving a home to the less lovable mixed race shades waiting in foster homes.

  191. Julia….
    excellent cartoon choice!
    I LOVE your sense of humor…..
    and you’re right….. I consider the abortion issue along the same lines as the Israeli/ Palestinian stuff….. it’s the same old arguments over and over again….
    and no one ever changes sides……

  192. I don’t think there are many people who take Cheney seriously. Perhaps he is counting on some kind of attack and is setting up the new administration for the blame..

  193. Jamie it is called capitalism. Something I am not sure you have had much experience with. One obtains an education wherever one can find an education, the military will pay for your college education for a small commitment of additional years of service. After you have completed your military obligation, you as an American citizen are free to leave the military, take what education and experience you developed while in the military with you in to the civilian sector to pursue a better life for yourself. Come from behind the plexiglas, you are missing to much of what life has to offer.
    Off to watch this new TV show.

  194. Mr. Reality,
    You republicans will want to post armed guards in front of every cervix to make certain in the National Interest that not one of these National Security foeti are ever aborted. There must be 100 million fertile women in the US, don’t you think ? That calls for 100 million armed guards. This could be the Stimulus we need.

  195. I consider the abortion issue along the same lines as the Israeli/ Palestinian stuff….. it’s the same old arguments over and over again….
    and no one ever changes sides……
    Renee
    So True! I won’t even discuss the issue,its very personal…..

  196. What does the Geneva convention say regarding mercenaries? I guess I’ll try to find out later. The point for me (can’t speak for Jamie), TiR, is that mercenaries can have allegiances or interests other than, and possibly in conflict with, the mission itself or the nation at large, such as profit. Do all Xe agents fighting for American forces have to be American themselves? I would hope so, but I have no idea. A war zone isn’t a “civilian sector” to my estimation, either.

  197. Invoking which rule ? I don’t remember Patsi violating any rule. Be more specific.

  198. I know what you said, Jamie — unfortunately I think some actually support the idea. :(

  199. “Well, BOYZ — I have a family member alive because she aborted a third trimester fetus that would have been born nearly brain dead. The continued pregnancy would have threatened her life. She was nearly suicidal over it. Because ASSHOLES were saying that she’d be committing murder. So Jax. Max and anyone else in the throw-away-women corner….FU.”
    That’s what you said Patsi. Where the F did I say she would be commiting murder by aborting a nearly brain dead fetus that would threaten her life? Trying to use to vent your rage? Find my direct quote. Be sure to quote my repeated support of the qualification in protecting the life of the mother. A living person trumops an unborn one. Don’t you think? When you DO NOT find the quote you lost your mind over, take a friggin pill. A BIG friggin pill and see how you feel in the morning. You said another slam in the last thread. I thought you would have time to reconsider and control yourself. And then having made an ass out of yourself you have the chohonas to then say:
    “Max, you continue to show yourself to be an idiot. That’s not what I said and you know it. The very thought of men like you having ANY control over women’s bodies is chilling. I think you are a fascist.”
    I really don’t give a crap what your insulting opinion of me is. Your comments are completed retarded in this matter and you probably know it. That’s the last I will say about this. Your continued irrational smears will be ignored.

  200. I realize something about this blog. Sometimes it is hard to just click on and read though all the posts. I am to blame at times from my long ass posts (not to cut you off Sturg). I guess it is easy to take lines out of context or get the wrong idea. I have seen it happen dozens of time here. So I see another reason to cut down length.
    If that is the reason some people on occasion have flamed, -to the degree my posting styles adds to this, my apologies. It would help however that people don’t assume anything and stick to content not inuendo. Going nuclear demands you have the facts straight, otherwise hold the fire.
    Basically a single thought Sturg……

  201. max…..i wasnt commenting on your post and don’t mind how you post…..actually I’m glad to see someone with that much wordage at their disposal……don’t agree with you much, but that aint nothin’ to fret over………..

  202. Mercenaries ? P’tuie.
    Ask King George how much good mercenaries do. Or, Hannibal. Or, any Roman Emperor who followed Diocletian. Remember Harald Hardrata and the Byzantine Emperor’s nose. Remember the White Company and other mercenary armies of late medieval and early modern Europe, and the trails of death they carved across Switzerland, France, Italy, the Low Countries, and Germany. Look what they did/are doing in the Congo and West Africa. Condotiere are freebooters in the guise of soldiers. The Somali pirates are mecenaries, for heaven’s sake.
    The mercenary is only slightly more trustworthy than the executive who has a structured bonus clause in his contract. You may contract either of them to perform a service, but they work for themselves.

  203. “Trying to use to vent your rage? ”
    Ah — maybe it’s my “time of the month” or maybe I’m menopausal. Must be some girlie thing…huh, Max?

  204. “Where the F did I say she would be commiting murder by aborting a nearly brain dead fetus that would threaten her life?”
    Maybe this is the quote that needs to be addressed.
    I admit that I didn’t read Max’s posts on the subject and for a reason. So I don’t know if he has a legitimate claim against you.
    Jack

  205. Craig @ 3:58 -
    Single parent dove = cat food for other dove.
    Better be a tough dove, or we’ll all have a lesson in nature.

  206. I just don’t understand how or why anyone can feel threatened by others opinions here, not to just agree. This is why we come here, to talk about what we think. We’re not running the world here. We’re just talking, venting, disagreeing. None of this is going to go beyond this blog, except maybe the hurt feelings. And that’s a shame, because there’s no reason for blaming others for not agreeing with us.
    We should be able to say what we want, and not be ridiculed for doing so. Otherwise, what’s the point? This is not to say we can’t openly disagree. But whats being accomplished with the personal attacks? (Someone clue me in)
    It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  207. Doves are loud ……. when they start talking … it’s “yada, yada, yada ….

  208. Max @ 9:08 -
    Welcome to the cracker barrel.
    Craig, bless his heart, has been on more platforms than Carter has Liver Pills ….. But trust me he wrote a post with a wood stove on the Ohio River. And that day we all were setting around a cracker barrel. It’s gone, but your post @ 9:08 would fit the thread.

  209. Jamie…
    Saw your post from earlier.. Make a Dem of me yet?
    Actually Dem was my first path… Sothern Dem at that !! I think Craig started Rep and our paths just have always crossed?
    I even worked on Dem campaigns as a youth.. Ready to change the world !!! One yard sign at a time

  210. I’m sorry , with the death of my Tee Vee last week my politics gland is dying on the vine. Bible classes here don’t excite me any more.
    I can’t fight the wars of the uterus anymore. Or the gonads for that matter.
    What has happened to me ?
    I’m coming here for the bird stories ?
    Yikes !

  211. “with the death of my Tee Vee last week my politics gland is dying on the vine”
    … that’s the very best part of not watching tv CBob. You find you just don’t care that much anymore.
    Maybe those birds are what’s important.
    Them and the blue corn.

  212. C Bob,
    So which is the real Cbob?
    Image if you lost your internet and computer -- If this happens do you find your inner real self -- not that the other self is not real… Oh what BS… but yet ?
    Maybe a Racon will come get the birds eggs and spice it up

  213. C Bob,
    So which is the real Cbob?
    Image if you lost your internet and computer -- If this happens do you find your inner real self -- not that the other self is not real… Oh what BS… but yet ?
    Maybe a Racon will come get the birds eggs and spice it up

  214. The storm that’s moving across the country tonight ……….
    These storms have a dry part, in the southwest corner. Everyone this spring that dry slot has blown over us. Today was the worst so far .
    There were hurricane force winds in West Texas today .
    Thank god it quit at sunset.

  215. Ping -
    Why do conservatives, have bipolar thinking ? With a dash of paranoia ?

  216. “We’re not running the world here.”
    What?! I was under the impression that we had our finger on the pulse of American politics -- and everyone from Anderson Cooper to David Brooks came here to get their insights before engaging in their professional punditry…
    (And C’mon -- would Obama have really of won the primary if the Obamamaniacs weren’t on here everyday fighting back the lacks of Wendy!, Oregon Democrat and every one else from Team Hillary?)

  217. So what do people think of the Ed Show?
    Obvioulsy better the Shuster the whiny partisan -- but not up to the level of David Gregory -- one of the few remaining unbiased jounalists…
    He seems alright -- he talks loud and I don’t know what anyone would decide to stand for their show rather than sit.

  218. chloe@ 10:14 -- bless your heart! You said so much in that post! Thanks, thanks, thanks.
    This place has become a war of attrition lately. It really isn’t interesting to have any one person’s opinions bomboarded at at an entire audience -- in fact, it is downright disheartening and BORING ! I don’t need a finger wagged in my face telling me what is fact on every subject under the sun. In fact, I don’t have that, because I stop reading when I sense the beginning of a lesson.
    I read the rest of you, tho, and it gives me hope. Keep up the good fight.

  219. 1. It’s a stitch when republicans, who are usually worshipful of free enterprise, get religious over socialistic dictatorships like the military.
    2. Never mind about the rule invocation, I read back and found the flap.
    3. Regarding Mr. Paranoid’s remark about the US killing the ruler of Iran. It never happened.
    a. In 1941, at the height of the war in Europe, the pro-German Iranian Shah allowed nazi Germany to sent approximately 2,000 soldiers to Iran. This was rightly viewed by germany’s enemies, the Russian and British Empires as a threat to their vital interests. The Shah’s son had friends in Britain, and had attended school in Germany. This young man was more impressed by Britain than Germany. As Russian and British units extirpated the German forces in Iran, the Shah stepped down allowing his son to asscend the throne. The old Shah was allowed to live out his life in retirement.
    b. In the early 1950s a brilliant Socialist Professor named Mossadegh became Prime Minister of Iran. Mossadegh began introducing many political, economic, and social reforms, which by 1953 were frightening the US and Britain, and angering the Iranian middle class and Shi’a clergy. The CIA worried that he was too friendly with Malenkov, the Russian Premier, and helped to depose Mossadegh. Mossadegh then lived under house arrest until his natural death 14 years later.

  220. Ping -
    Not one conservatives on this site ask asked me for seeds. I mean the real tub beaters.
    I would send Gordo seeds . If he asked me.
    Now, I broke into my second 1/4 pound today, and there’s plenty of time still to plant .
    I remain hopeful, and I am a bitter cynic .

  221. Ivy …
    Planted by the moon, I was never a moon planter by nature. But this thing happened in 28 days last night …. Pretty “Moony”.

  222. I bet the Hopi have a lot to say about the Moon and the Blue Corn Maiden. Better than being trapped in a house by “Winter” .

  223. Cbob -- I can understand your chagrin re the requestors of seeds.
    If you have more to get rid of, there is a woman in my apartment complex who is going to plant up a bit of land behind us. She would love some blue corn seeds -- she told me she loves blue corn chips.
    Should I give her your web site?

  224. Mr. Bob,
    I live in the woods -- not much sun. Otherwise, I’d certainly go for some of that blue gold of yours.
    Thanks for the offer.

  225. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218187
    XR --
    That’s my problem too. My only sun-scape is in the front where the Yard Nazis are on patrol. As it is, my tomatoes are in containers that I wheel around to keep out of their sights. These are the original $64 Tomatoes. More like $64,000.
    http://www.amazon.com/64-Tomato-Fortune-Endured-Existential/dp/1565125576/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239334454&sr=1-1

  226. Big X -
    ( I love the “Great Escape” )
    No problem ….. we all have our worlds, and one reason we all bailed out on agriculture was because it’s a shit load of work.

  227. Ivy,
    The second definition! “Evar” is a sort of fangirl-speak, as is using “teh” for “the”, “liek” for “like”, “plz” for “please”, and “OMG” for “OH MY GOD”. And I don’t Twitter, either. Remember, kids, the first syllable of “Twitter” is TWIT. >:~D
    Another bird story to waste your time and space, my very own version of “The Fox And The Crow” that I will swear to you is true:
    There’s a big flock of crows in my neighborhood. One of these crows (I assume it’s the same crow) likes to come to my birdbath with the assorted goodies s/he’s found and wash them in the water before eating whatever it is. But sometimes, the crow just leaves them for me to find, and it’s not always pleasant. There have been half-eaten hamburger buns, pizza crusts, donut segments, but also parts of lizards and the hind quarters of a rat. It’s like a box of chocolates: you never know what you’re gonna get.
    My dog Max HATES this crow like he hates nothing else in the world, and will bark and jump and chase it out of the yard. Most of the time the crow will just fly up to the power lines above the yard and “laugh” at Max, who continues to bark and jump up at it until it gets bored and flies away, and if you think I’m full of shit here, you haven’t seen a crow laughing at a stupid dog before.
    Anyhoo, the other day I see the crow fly down to the birdbath with something in its beak, and I say to Max, “Hey, the CROW’S OUTSIDE!” Max goes nuts, so I let him out into the back yard and he makes a beeline for the crow at the birdbath. As usual, the crow flies up to the power lines, and as he opens his beak and laughs, whatever he’s got falls out of his mouth, down to the ground, and Max runs over AND EATS IT.
    The crow was all OMGWTFBBQ THAT WAS MINE YOU STUPID DOG WTF WTF WTF, and I would swear Max was smiling. Then he peed on the birdbath and came back inside.
    The end.

  228. Neat !!! The opening credits for Amy Poehler’s new show has a beautigul pix of a cardinal -- just beautiful.
    I haven’t seen a cardinal in a long long time.
    The show’s pretty good, too, but I don’t think I can take a steady diet of it. But she is funny.

  229. I was gonna make some more of my Art Truck movie tonight , but I had too much fun here.
    rats …….
    Maybe I’ll assume the screen name of “Cory”, and go look at porn .

  230. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218179
    Warren,
    The Ed Show on TV is noticeably better than the Ed Show on radio, but that isn’t saying a whole lot. He is improved by not having to deal with some of the dimmer call in types. He does maintain fair control of his guests so you don’t get a lot of the talk over so you can’t understand what anyone is saying. Since that is my real pet peeve, I have to give him props for that.
    He’s likable enough but I would still prefer Thom Hartmann
    http://www.thomhartmann.com/

  231. Warren..I won’t be watch the Ed Show..I had enough of him from the radio..
    Former? Reagan Republican
    Not insightful..you won’t learn much by watching him
    Limbaugh wannabe

  232. This week the Tacoma blue corn goes in to a protective environment to be transplanted once the weather becomes stable … or as stable as Washington ever gets.

  233. The Ed Show is okay with me, but when it came on for the third time I wasn’t paying any attention.
    I thought that Heidi person he had on was full of it, complaining about illegal aliens taking roofing jobs from Americans. Like that happens.

  234. I will have to admit I have been looking forward to the comments re: birds, dogs, recipes, and corn. My job has been such a bitch lately that I come home at the end of the day and only have the energy to drool.
    I have been at my current job for 4 years, started on April Fools day 05. Had a feeling at the time that starting on that day had some significance. I have had only 2 separate weeks off in those 4 years and that was in the hospital having back surgery and then I was on call the entire time.
    I now have a four day weekend, still on call, and I got to the camp, cooked my little spicey lemon chicken wings, put my feet up. Just as I finished a long sigh a home health nurse called to tell me my 80 old step father had fallen and hurt his back. I wanted to tell her she had the wrong number but I had her years ago as a nursing student so I couldn’t. She recognized my voice. Drats
    Had to drive 60 miles to pick him up 30 miles back to the hospital wait 3 hours to find out what I already knew, a broken rib, that nothing can be done for, then drive 60 miles back. Shit, damn, hell.
    Talk to me about some birds, please.

  235. “…complaining about illegal aliens taking roofing jobs from Americans. Like that happens.”
    It does. Hard to find a roofing company that doesn’t use illegal labor.

  236. “…complaining about illegal aliens taking roofing jobs from Americans. Like that happens.”
    It does. Hard to find a roofing company that doesn’t use illegal labor.

  237. http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2009/04/cheney-gingrich-hawking-obama.html#comment-218211
    Will you settle for the tale of the frustrated cat?
    Miz Mittens is a muderess. She got her name because she is a Hemingway Cat (more than five toes) and to her mind the better to catch you with.
    For the last two years she has brought in mice, voles, moles, and birds. Laying them at our feet and demanding praise for her expertise. Dick Whittington would have made another fortune with this feline.
    Of late she has been confined in doors and the chickadees seem to know it. They sit outside the patio doors, march up and down and flutter while poor Miz Mittens attacks the glass in hopes of a bird breakfast.

  238. There’s a woodpecker who stops by… he/she hasn’t decided whether to take up residence in my tress or the neighbors; it’s all the same to me. A bluebird makes an appearance a little less frequently; it doesn’t do much but sit around and be blue. That’s all I got.

  239. Oh; I have another:
    A friend and I were relaxing the other night on the porch, and heard owls calling to each other. As I am wont to do, I interjected by whistling through my hands.
    “Woot,” I whistled.
    “Woot, woot,” an owl replied.
    “Woot woot whoooot,” I continued…
    “Whooooot,” the owl answered, to my amazement. More confident now, I called,
    “who-WOOT. Who-WOOT”. Nothing.
    “Must have said the wrong thing,” my friend said jokingly.
    “…wouldn’t be the first time,” I acknowledged disappointedly.

  240. Dang, Ct, that stinks. But you *did* get spicy lemon chicken wings, yes, so that’s one good thing?

  241. Thom Hartmann is very boring and he talks down to his guests. He always tries to prove that he knows more than his guests.
    He writes numerous boring books which nobody buys.
    He is an independent which says it all.

  242. I miss Randi Rhodes on the radio. She’s still in limbo, I guess…anybody have any late news about her?
    From her website:
    “TO ALL:
    NOVA M RADIO HAS NOT YET CORRECTED THE PROBLEM THAT HAS KEPT ME OFF THE AIR
    DESPITE MY STRONG DESIRE AND READINESS TO BROADCAST MY SHOW. RESPECTING THE
    EMPLOYER-EMPLOYEE RELATIONSHIP THAT HAS EXISTED BETWEEN NOVA M AND ME, AND
    EXPECTING THE SOLUTION TO BE QUICKLY ACHIEVED, DETAILS OF THE TRIGGERING
    EVENT WERE WITHHELD IN GOOD FAITH. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS MUCH: ANY
    STATEMENT IMPLICATING ME AS BEING IN ANY WAY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DISRUPTION
    IN THE RANDI RHODES SHOW IS PATENTLY FALSE. THIS ENTIRE SITUATION IS
    SOLELY WITHIN THE CONTROL OF NOVA M.
    IN LIGHT OF MOST RECENT DEVELOPMENTS, MY SHOW WILL BE SEEKING A NEW HOME.
    I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR CONTINUED PATIENCE AND INDULGENCE IN RESPECTING MY
    RIGHTS DURING THIS TIME. YOUR UNWAVERING SUPPORT IS CHERISHED. THANK YOU.
    RANDI RHODES”

  243. after randi rhodes called hillary mean ,nasty ,ugly names last year’ i wouldnt care if she ever worked again’
    maybe she can get a unemployment check

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