What Would GOP WH Hopefuls Do?

Good luck answering this question. While House Speaker John Boehner wrestles with the math of a debt deal and dominates headlines, his party’s presidential wannabes stick to the sidelines with platitudes.

Ron Paul says he hasn’t seen “enough cuts” in any of the plans to justify voting to lift the debt ceiling. No idea how much is enough for him.

Newt Gingrich and Tim Pawlenty join those candidates who are sticking to the safe ground of railing against any tax increases in a debt deal. “The United States federal government is not under-taxed,” Pawlenty says. “It spends too darn much.”


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Michele Bachmann says she will vote against a debt-ceiling hike no matter what because she doesn’t even believe warnings of catastrophe if the government defaults.

Mitt Romney is the quiet one of the bunch, aside from attacking Obama for spending too much. His spokesman says the supposed frontrunner won’t take a specific stand on the various debt plans out of fear that it would “shake the confidence of the financial industry.” When Romney suppposedly broke his silence, he blew past the current debt debate and endorsed a balanced budget amendment.

Republican candidates enjoy the luxury of gearing their pitches to Tea Party conservatives, as none of them bear any responsibility for negotiating a deal. Only Romney seems to be thinking long term toward appealing to independents in a general election – by saying as little as possible.

How President Obama’s image emerges from this fiasco will be surely be a contributing factor to his reelection chances, so the wait-and-see stance before endorsing any specific proposals makes political sense for the GOP hopefuls.

But despite their bluster, if any of them were in the Oval Office today would they really risk being the first president to default? I’d even bet against a President Bachmann going there (OK, I wouldn’t bet much).

56 thoughts on “What Would GOP WH Hopefuls Do?”

  1. And they all yammer on about “Spending”. We need to raise the debt ceiling for one reason and that is to pay the bills that we have already agreed are owing. This isn’t spending. This is not declaring bankruptcy. Think of the US as Donald Trump. The casinos are going broke because there aren’t enough guests in the hotel or gamblers on the floor, but you think you can turn things around so you visit your friendly banker. Banker says, well if you go broke we are all up a creek so here’s some more cash on your credit line to pay the croupiers and bartenders. That is the debt limit.

    The cuts in future spending needs separate legislation as does finding another source of money other than the banker (i.e. job creation, closing loopholes, and restructuring tax graduation levels).

    So pass a clean bill raising the limit until after the election and in the meantime, go to work with a yard sale and getting a second job until we get out of this mess.

  2. Ha. Michele Bachmann is a non-believer in the wrong thing.

    I heard Ron Paul talking about bankruptcy being the way to go, too. He sounds so reasonable and then he says something so off the wall.

    Clearly, Romney is using the “better to be silent than remove all doubt” that he has no clue what he would do. Best not to alienate anyone. A bit different than John McCain jumping back & forth across the fence, but the same result.

    I still say Obama will come out of this smellin’ like a rose.

  3. speaking of “smellin'”… I’d bet that if someone threatened to smear feces on Michele Bachmann’s butt, she’d claimed she didn’t believe she’d come out smellin’ like shit… :cool:

  4. well….I clicked on the magazine which threatens you with having to receive Ann Coulter’s book if somehow you could be induced to give them money so that you’d have to receive their magazine. I could find no joy in any of that so I jumped for the trapeze and swung my way out of there….
    Then clicked on the “Vote for Santorum?” ad and looked at their list of people for whom you might vote if you are a republican or perhaps lean that way due to any number of reasons no doubt all having to do with some sort of pre-existing cognitive difficulties, or perhaps a traumatic childhood or something…..whatever……there was not a one on there for whom I could summon even a gnat’s ass size of give-a-damn and rather than have them sending me even more e-mailage I had to side dance out of there as well…..but anyways I’m sure that a click is a click is a click………

  5. I always go to the warm and fuzzy place whenever Freddie the Pig should happen to cross my mind……one of Freddie’s poems:

    Hark
    While I croon a verse
    In praise
    Of the universe.
    The universe is quite good-sized,
    And is, I think, well organized,
    Containing as it does, a slew
    Of stars and planets. Comets too
    Occasionally whiz about
    And dodge and circle in and out
    Among the clustered nebulae.
    They scare the dickens out of me,
    But I suppose they know their stuff
    And are expert and quick enough
    To keep from bumping or colliding
    With other worlds. But I’m residing
    At present on the planet, earth,
    And it does not arouse my mirth
    To see these reckless comets fly
    Around as if they owned the sky.
    It’s much too dangerous in a crowd,
    And really shouldn’t be allowed.
    Yet tho there’s nothing to prevent
    Bad manners in the firmament,
    The heavenly bodies, generally,
    Are well behaved and courteously
    Avoid all quarrels and disputes-
    Tho when they have them, they are beauts.
    As to the universe’s size,
    It’s rather large than otherwise,
    Containing stars and galaxies
    And satellites of all degrees.
    And some are dim and some are bright,
    But all are lighted up at night,-
    Mostly along the Milky Way-
    A quite remarkable display.
    Some scientific fellows hope
    By peering thru a telescope
    To chart the heavens and name each star
    Of all the billions that there are.
    More sensible I think it is
    Just to sit back and let them whiz
    Along on their accustomed track
    Around and round the zodiac.
    For since they are not bothering me
    I think it’s best to let them be.
    And that is all I have to say
    About the universe today.
    from Freddy and the Spaceship

  6. Craig… yeah… I get those cleanings once a year too… they’re not fun… but I LOVE the way my mouth feels so clean afterwards.

    Bachmann makes me feel dirty just thinkin’ about her.

  7. “Ron Paul says he hasn’t seen “enough cuts” in any of the plans to justify voting to lift the debt ceiling. No idea how much is enough for him.”

    Sometimes Ron Paul says the dumbest things…but…

    The R’s have their favorite corporations, and the D;s have theirs; they have no honor, no scruples,… for us, it is all the same..we get robbed….

    “Alliance: In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other’s pocket that they cannot separately plunder a third.”

    -Ambrose Bierce

  8. Freddy and the Bean Home News (Hardcover) (Paperback)
    When Mr. Dimsey, Editor of the Centerboro GUARDIAN, loses the newspaper to the thoroughly wicked — and exceedingly wealthy — Mrs. Underdunk, Freddy helps by starting a rival newspaper, THE BEAN HOME NEWS, the first animal newspaper. Mrs. Underdunk and her brother, Herbert Garble, will re-appear in later titles as enemies of Freddy (it’s their life’s ambition to capture Freddy and send him, in a crate, to their uncle Orville Garble’s ranch in Montana). A sub-plot involves the animals’ efforts in a scrap iron drive (the book was published during World War II), including their stratagems for getting an iron deer from Mrs. Underdunk’s front lawn. Brooks has fun satirizing politicians in the person of the pompous and long-winded Sen. Blunder.

  9. Craig…
    if by “a side” you mean half your teeth… wow, that is expensive. I pay a little over $500 for all my teeth…
    and we are lucky to have a very good dental plan.

  10. caught holt of a dentist oncet who needed nice cabinets….we worked out a hammered-square deal…..he was a former swiftboat guy in 68-69…..one sunday he dropped dead in his mashed potatorees…….guy about my age….went to another dentist, guy i knew in high school……he pulled the bad toof, we talked about the old days, and then I see him dead in the paper. Ok….dassa wayums go, y’know……

  11. Had a nice time with dentist #1…..we’d just sit in the office and daydream about what kind of cabinets were possible and could we do this and could we do that and I got close to what frank lloyd wright must have felt like cause we were trying to approach the cutting edge on some of this stuff, stretching the limits of what a dental waiting room could look like……

  12. He was a terrible dentist…..to begin with, he had large paws….he was 6’6″ or so and just a very large clumsy guy….a real gouger……

  13. I had, by this time, overcome my fear of dentistry and had acheived a state of shoot-me-up-and-let-the-chips-fall-where-they-may-ish abandon…..do what you will, you bastard, I can take it.

  14. I’m not 100% certain but I have a still nagging suspicion that he didn’t mind seeing the reactions to some pain or other that he may or may not have caused……

  15. Tea party rally on Capitol Hill draws thin crowd
    By MARIN COGAN, July 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT

    It had all the makings of a big time tea party rally: Presidential candidate Herman Cain, conservative Sens. Jim DeMint of South Carolina, Rand Paul of Kentucky and Mike Lee of Utah all showed up outside the Capitol Wednesday to urge members to “hold the line” against a deficit reduction compromise.

    The only thing missing? A big audience.

    Love to watch the billionaires battle. You can see that the Koch brothers really do control and fund the Tea Party. I just hate to see the Koch brothers win anything.
    T. Boone Pickens-Koch brothers feud tests Republican principles

  16. every time a bell rings an anti-koch brothers person gets to register his or her opinion with the factotumal and thus inneffective in any way non-entities who comprise the sum total of that number of people who cannot actually do something about anything…..well….the back yard needs mowing…….

  17. I’ll tell ya right now…..I mowed a ass of yard…..my old man’s yard….he wanted to see how many acres of yard he could acheive…..I mowed on various contrivances but the all-time coolest was the Gravely Two-Wheel Mule…..

  18. Anybody wants a Gravely two-wheel mule with fine-cut attatchment, bushhog attachment, roto-tiller attachment and whatever else hasnt’t been stolen attachments contact sturgeone.

  19. me and isaac saw eye-to-eye on the two wheel mule….Ike was Ms Annabelle’s 4th oldest……once my brother climbed up a tree with a load of pine cones and laid in wait for Ike and Solly to come running down the path….he whopped them good but then he found himself up a tree and out of pine cones….he suffered a great pummeling and then had to beg for surcease….Ike was instrumental in letting him off the hook….they could have pummelled him for weeks. Well, I wasn’t thinking much about the gravely 40 years later and Ike ax bout’em….I say dammmit….let’s check it out…..and then Ike dead. que lastima

  20. my old man caught the alzheimer’s…..the very last mechanical thing he was able to hands-on with was the gravely….we restored parts of it…..even as a virtual jelly dough-nut he still got to ride the gravely. And I hay-ulped.

  21. hey Sturg… dental stories… gotta love em…

    Craig… I bet your periodontist is in DC… gotta be for that price. If this is something you now have to get once a year, it might be worth your while to seek another such person about an hours drive outside of DC.

  22. Btw, sturgeone, i appreciate you paying the ultimate price by clicking Coulter and Santorum ads. While painful, I know, take heart in knowing that helps pay the bills for my expensive server capacity.

  23. Craig,

    I clicked on the soda pop ad because I’m actually thinking of buying one. They even helped me find a store just a few miles away. The Bad Idea T-Shirts make good reading as well.

  24. but cc….it was just the other day that, like solar, I actually paid some jack for the ride…..that felt nize, bro……

  25. So I’m thinking like the bible has to be upgraded again….like when jesus says about the grain of a mustard seed…..ok….like ok when’s the last time you saw a mustard seed? Right. Ok so what he was saying was about faith the size of an Ipod cord or something……

  26. coulter and santorum don’t tempt me none….I saw them fellers a long time ago in many different togas…..it’s called show business and some get the nod and some, eh….not quite…..

  27. I just saw some ad for a tool that I don’t have any idea what it is, but it looked a lot like a new version of sturges’ Gravely, so I clicked on it. I still don’t have any idea what it does but it is a cool tool maybe I want one.
    We must sound like business types because there are a number of business ads, along with the backrupt att. ad that pops up once in a while, just like the ocassional bad deal does in life.

    Jack

  28. Just figured it out, everybody has been talking about scrapeing, it was a concrete scraper.

    Jack

  29. Pelosi Falls to Austerity Craze, Clyburn – Becerra Cite 14th Amendment
    by Taylor Marsh

    Rep. Pelosi has done another cave to Pres. Obama, this time to the President’s austerity fetish. It’s not getting any attention, but it proves she’s no longer the person to lead Democrats in Congress.

    “It is clear we must enter an era of austerity; to reduce the deficit through shared sacrifice.

    “The President has called for a ‘grand bargain,’ which provides long-term deficit reduction based on shared values and sends a message of confidence to the markets. […]

    The only thing that’s clear is that establishment Democrats can’t be trusted to protect the basic underlying principles of what it means to be a Democrat. I walked away from then Speaker Pelosi when she and Pres. Obama sold out women for the Stupak amendment, plus an executive signing statement, so her latest collapse to Obama’s conservatism comes as no surprise at all to me.

  30. Sturge about your question last night. I typed up a long answer then the web site decided I wasn’t registered so I had to sign in and lost it all.
    Just like my trip to myrtle beach in a way.
    In short my myrtle beach experience was food poisoning and rain. I did get a couple of hours on the beach in front of the hotel and did the swim in the ocean thing but never saw any of the tourist fun stuff except for what we saw driving in.
    I think that once you deduct the time I spent on the toilet. I spent more time in the O’Hare airport in Chicago than I did at Myrtle beach.
    Final insult on the trip. The air conditioning went out on the flight from Chicago to KC. So about twenty minutes in they decided to return back to Chicago. What gave them the clue that the AC was broken must have been the site of all the passengers busy fanning themselves with the safety manual. It looked like a baptist tent revival in the middle of august.after they got us on the ground they made us wait until they could find a parking spot.

    So all in all I’m glad to be home.

    Jack

  31. From my experience,$800 is about twice the cost of a full deep cleaning here.

    Of course, I’m sure there are varying types of deep cleaning just as there are many kinds of heart surgery.

    I don’t know where you go to find out the standard costs. Your insurance company may be helpful.

    I am very fortunate to have good insurance.

  32. Oregon’s Congressman David Wu announced plans to resign today. I hope he will get treatment for what may be some type of mental illness.

    I’ve seen Wu several times over the years and feel badly about the recent events. He always seemed very nice and didn’t have the politician’s slick persona.

    I find jackasses like John Stewart reprehensible for knocking someone like Wu when he is obviously in such distress.

    I think it was right that Wu resigned. Despite Republican claims that they will win the seat, I predict the seat will remain Democratic as it has been since 1972. The suburban Portland district was once Republican, then a toss-up and now it more blue each year. Recent redistricting by the state legislature will make the district slightly more Republican, but not enough to change the trend. Plus, the Republican Congress is not very popular in Oregon Land.

    There are plenty of serious reasons for Wu to resign…but…the tiger suit thing has been totally blown out of proportion by the press.

    While I’ve always found it nauseating that adults have taken over a children’s holiday, wearing a tiger suit just before Halloween and sending a picture to staff and friends doesn’t seem like such a horrible thing to me.

  33. I retired early and knew I was forfeiting my great dental plan, and I have been paying as I go ever since…except now I just plum can’t afford these visits which set me back $1,000, $1,200 sometimes.
    So, I investigated the V.A., you know, the vets.
    No dice…I don’t qualify. Oh well. I am the ultimate optimist: I SHALL win the Powerball! Damn straight!

  34. Having never heard of deep gum cleaning before, I now know enough about it to never have it done.

  35. I occurs to me that people like bachmann use the cover of accusing others of not being patriotic to actually be very un-patriotic. They really have hopes of re-writing the constitution, keeping much of the phraseology to fix some of the inherent loopholes, i.e, get rid of that pesky “equal
    protection” phrase. One of those amendments would have to be modified, also.

    That may seem as if I exaggerate, but I really mean it. Think of their references to the 14th, and doma, and balanced budget -- no need for amendments. Jusr re-write the whole thing and get rid of the amendment process, too. I think they really believe they could get away with it.

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