Who’s Making Sense: GOP Infighting

Andrew Sullivan

This really is an astonishing moment. They’ve ruled out sunsetting the ruinous Bush tax cuts; they’ve balked at a Grand Bargain; they’ve pushed the Democrats to produce a debt-ceiling plan that relies entirely on spending cuts … and they still think they haven’t won and haven’t made their point. And the fracas is only getting worse.

Charles Krauthammer

I have every sympathy with the conservative counterrevolutionaries. Their containment of the Obama experiment has been remarkable. But reversal — rollback, in Cold War parlance — is simply not achievable until conservatives receive a mandate to govern from the White House. … Trying to turn a blocking minority into a governing authority — is not just counter-constitutional in spirit but self-destructive in practice.

Ezra Klein

In this Republican Party, at this moment, if you want to lead the House Republicans, you can’t compromise to get things done. … The problem for Boehner is that the country needs a Speaker of the House of Representatives who compromises to get things done. Even if what’s being compromised is his career.

David Brooks

If the debt ceiling talks fail, independent voters will see that Democrats were willing to compromise but Republicans were not. If responsible Republicans don’t take control, independents will conclude that Republican fanaticism caused this default. They will conclude that Republicans are not fit to govern.

74 thoughts on “Who’s Making Sense: GOP Infighting”

  1. Putting this in three words, The Economy Sucks! Obummer continues to ignore the economy and you reap what you sow. I don’t know where Obummer’s head is except where the sun don’t shine.

    If the U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) is as wrong on the first estimate for the second quarter as they were for the first quarter then we will be half way into a double dip recession.

    I do not see any change in Obummer actions happening so he and the idiots’ in Congress will achieve the Tea Party objective of making America a Dark Ages feudal system third world country. We are now, and have been, at a crisis that demands action now instead of debate.

    Economy slowed sharply in first half of year
    By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER, July 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT
    WASHINGTON (AP) — The economy expanded at meager 1.3 percent annual rate in the spring after scarcely growing at all in the first three months of the year, the Commerce Department said Friday.

    The combined growth for the first six months of the year was the weakest since the recession ended two years ago. The government revised the January-March figures to show just 0.4 percent growth – down sharply from its previous estimate of 1.9 percent.

    • Consumer spending only increased 0.1 percent this spring, the smallest gain in two years;
    • Consumer spending on long-lasting manufactured goods, such as cars and appliances, fell 4.4 percent;
    • Employers have pulled back on hiring after seeing less spending by consumers;
    • Those who have jobs are seeing after-tax incomes, adjusted for inflation, rose only 0.7 percent;
    • Government spending fell for the third straight quarter.

    The government also revised data going back to 2003. The data show the recession was even worse than previously thought. The economy shrank 5.1 percent during the recession, which lasted from December 2007 through June 2009, compared to the earlier estimate of 4.1 percent.

  2. “conservative counterrevolutionaries”….
    is this Krauthammer’s euphemism for tea partier… LOL!

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  4. Corporate greed is killing the goose that laid the golden egg. No jobs, no middle class. No middle class, no US economy. No US economy and you better learn to speak Chinese.

  5. Yeah, jamie, and they may be also be using this to avoid the jobs issue.

    It’s Nothing-Ado-About-Much in Washington because they don’t get it.

    “Everyone can master a grief, but he that has it.” -Much Ado About Nothing

  6. God, it makes my gorge rise to agree with Charles Krauthammer about anything–but I wish you’d excised that rabblerousing opening sentence. “. . .hav[ing]every sympathy with the conservative counterrevolutionaries” just confirms me in my belief that Krauthammer IS truly a RWNJ and a complete ass.

  7. I’m with David Brooks…and, should independent voters conclude that Republicans are not currently fit to govern, they would be what I like to call…right!

  8. My advice to Boehner, once you get the first turd down, the piece of steaming humble pie isn’t so bad.

  9. The exodus continues. This mirrors Caterpillar’s move from Peoria to Victoria, TX. Both cited ” more hospitable business environments” as the driver behind their moves. These are long term changes. Looking at the investment that CAT is making in Texas it is doubtful that these companies will move again anytime in the near future.

    CME Group calls tax situation ‘untenable’

  10. Comment awaiting moderation? Hmmmm….
    Is it just me or just that seem….I don’t know….
    Somewhat Authoritarian….

    Seems at odds with the “Free Thinking” ethos of blogging.

  11. jaxtrader says: “Comment awaiting moderation? Hmmmm….
    Is it just me or just that seem….I don’t know….
    Somewhat Authoritarian… Seems at odds with the “Free Thinking” ethos of blogging.”

    Ha, Jax, hardly anything so nefarious. As i’ve explained many times our automated spam filter occasionally holds for many reasons. In this case, your lengthy url was broken and i’m trying to fix it. Always, it is best to use the link button at top of your comment box to highlight text and then add url.

  12. The economy has been crushed by the Republicans’ absurd draconian spending cuts in the face of a creeping employment recovery. They, solely, are responsible for the death of the American Dream.

  13. Craig,
    Wasn’t really thinking nefarious…..more along the lines of just “uptight”….

  14. Jax

    You need to clean up and quit looking like such a spammer.
    I know cleaning up is hard on you tug boat types, but really. };-)


  15. Yes, Jax, our automated spam filter is rather uptight. It has to be or our threads would be filled with porn and fraudulent drug ads. Lengthy, broken or multiple (more than 4) links in a comment are among those things it will hold every time.

  16. Jack,
    If only I had a nickle for every time I’ve been told to clean up my act…..Laughs

  17. One more time: Using the link button to add urls will keep you out of the filter’s grip, as spammers (so far) don’t have the technology to use that.

  18. I bet that you’re hoping that this will be the last time that you have to post that instruction…..

    Laughs….let’s keep a running tally….

  19. “Who’s Making Sense”

    lol, this is a trick question, right?

    Did they open their mouth? Then odds are they are not making sense.


  20. BTW Craig all the pundits you quoted above have so demonstrated their disconnect from reality that if they and I agree, I quickly reexamine my beliefs.


  21. At this Point a “Victory” for Democrats Would Still be Devastating
    By: Jon Walker

    With Speaker John Boehner’s plans in the House in disarray, it looks like the only legislative vehicle that still has a chance of passing before August 2nd is some form of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s plan.

    The most likely path for the Reid plan passing Congress is by getting most of its support form Congressional Democrats and a decent number of Republican’s votes in both chambers. This would probably be spun as a “victory” for Democrats. It is important to remember this “victory” would still be devastatingly terrible for Liberals.

    From a political perspective it would be the Democrats who actually raise the debt ceiling and Democrats who are responsible for putting in place an austerity package of all spending cuts during a major recession.

  22. I’m just a simple cave man….I don’t know about your modern ideas of government…

    It’s all greek to me.

    But even a cave man can see that these republicans are so far out there the sun sets between their house and the road.

    The eyes of taxes are upon them.

    And all of a sudden Boner thinks he’s jack nicholson or somebody………….

  23. oh,bummer doesn’t need to accept any cuts from anyone. There is no bill in the House. A Senate bill is conjectural, but even if one were passed, it would not pass the House.

    The Prez has a Constitutional duty to pay the government’s bills, but no power to raise money. Either he should pay the bills, or resign so that Joe can get the job done.

  24. People are making this business way too complex by proposing garbage-filled one-bill-cures-all solutions.

    unConstitutional ‘ceiling’.

    These are 4 different items. They are somewhat related, but they are still different items.

  25. “I have every sympathy with the conservative counterrevolutionaries.” – The kraut

    Presumably, the kraut supports the conservative counter-revolutionaries of 1775. By that I mean, he favors the Special Interests whose economic monopolies were strangling the 13 original colonies and Vermont in 1775. A conservative counterrevolutionary is, of course, a supporter of king george III, not merely President george III.

    Something happened to the once brainy kraut around 1982 – 1984 that turned him into a silly malapropster.

  26. Solar, I fixed your link above which was held by the spam filter. Folks, I don’t know what else to do about this. It’s not difficult to use the link button and avoid getting held by our spam filter. I can disable these editing tools if you don’t want to use them, if that’s what you like, and let the filter hold any comment with a link in it. But who wants that. I just can’t spend this much time fixing links. Your choice.

  27. Obama’s Numbers Tank
    by Taylor Marsh

    One thing Barack Obama, David Plouffe and Mr. Axelrod obviously haven’t learned is the lessons of George W. Bush, but also 2010. Those coveted Independents the White House is bending over backward to reach are a lot more impressed with strong leadership and someone who sticks his or her neck out than someone who keeps asking for Americans to call Congress, as if the President has no power at all.

    Our political culture is so wrapped up in moderation, centrism, capitulation and compromise that the Tea Party extortionists are the only political class in this country who stand for anything, albeit a whole lot of crazy. Whereas, Democrats and Republicans are basically different sides of the same corrupt coin, with Mr. Wonderful at the top, whether you’re talking about Obama or Romney; both men nothing to behold when it comes to leadership or standing on a line. Mitt Romney’s learned well from Obama’s straddling stance of non-declaration and is basically following his “present” political state of mind.

  28. The Tea Party people, Koch-heads,think THEY don’t need government – except for the bare minimum

    I heard one of these maroonettes say –“Who needs the EPA?”

    They think they are so principled but they are nothing but
    ignorant shortsighted flat earth society members

  29. Craig, thanks.

    I haven’t used the link or the other buttons, and was trying to figure it out…I left clicked on the post, then clicked on the blue link, erased the http and pasted …clicked on preview….it posted from that…what is the correct way? ( I looked at the how to comment.) anyone….

  30. Solar, first you have to paste in text to link. Copy the headline of the link you want to post. Paste it into your comment, then highlight it by holding left click and pulling across the entire text you want to link. Click the blue link button and add url. That way you have a clean linked headline without the goofy url garbage. Tonyb has become a master at this, follow his lead.

  31. oh and yes you do need to overwrite the http that the link window presents. I know this all sounds complicated but once you get the hang of it, not so tough

  32. Hi Solar (Paul)
    I copy and paste the title then highlight it. Next i copy the URL of the highlighted title. Then i click the link icon, erase the http and paste..Hope that makes sense?

  33. Thanks again craig…got it….I think thats the way it should appear in the how to comment?? I wasn’t pasting it into the comment box first…..

  34. Tony,

    I just looked at your new pic (avatar)…I have the same beard on…..wanna trade…mine is all silver….

  35. Solar that shot was taken with my I-phone a couple months ago, lov my I-phone..

  36. Nice Try! Senate Kills Boehner Debt Limit Bill — Preps Endgame To Avoid Default
    Brian Beutler

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hopes to introduce his own debt limit bill — amended to include more spending cuts, and a few as-yet undisclosed carrots, to entice enough Republicans to overcome a filibuster and pass the legislation.

    Senate Democratic aides confirm that the legislation is being updated now, after consultation with Republicans, but the precise details are tightly held.

    They need to get those details right. House Republicans have scheduled a symbolic Saturday vote to knock down the original version of Reid’s bill — a move meant to illustrate that without further cuts and enticements Reid’s bill can’t pass the House.

    Once the tweaks are completed, and the bill is introduced, Reid will set the wheels in motion to pass it. If all goes as currently planned, he’ll file cloture on the plan tonight. Because it will be attached to a privileged vehicle — the stripped bare shell of Boehner’s plan — it will tee-up a 1 a.m. Sunday vote to end an expected filibuster. If there are 60 votes — and that’s the crucial if — that will lock in a vote on final passage after 7 a.m. on Monday. Then it’s back to the House, with fingers crossed.

  37. Tony,

    Talking about phones:

    I went to get gas at speedways ( always a story going on in there)…I was in a short line and was on the phone with one of my workers…..when I was finished, someone tapped me on the shoulder and asked me if I could use the phone…

    I turned to see a kid about 15-16 yrs old in a full superman pj;s yellow and blue……I said sure kid, but don’t you want to use a phone booth instead….went right over his head…just looked at me….the cashier was splitting a gut, the others were laughing…and he just stood there…gave him the phone…he said thanks….I said sure Clark…the blank stare again…..

  38. Wish we could imbed images but then again maybe not. Craig might really lose his cool. So anyway I created a blog just so I could show you all the occassional picture. Here is one I took of my congressman. I always claimed he was this way but still even I was suprised.


  39. Jack,

    That looks very much like our new Mayor…Rahmbo; maybe thats his twin HA.!

  40. Our new mayor Rahm Emanuel is looking at some pretty hard choices himself…Chicago is in the red about 700 mil…bet he makes the hard choice and pisses off a lot of people, thats b/c he really has no choice…

    Why hasn’t Obama made the hard choices?

  41. If he has to piss someone off now is the time to do it. Maybe things will be better when he comes up for re-election. As to Obama , maybe because he has never had a job where you had to make a hard choice. Mayors, governors, county executives have to all the time, legislators, professors, community organisers get to slide by.


  42. Rahm Emanuel

    Why would anyone want to be Mayor when the city is that much in the hole…whey would he leave D C as fast as he did…..President Rahmbo?…lots of power and $ for sure, but….

    Im not in Chicago…but all of the suburban Mayors…are like sub Mayors to me…they get their marching orders from Chicago….or no water…..Water…thats another story….

  43. It’s 9:15 here, and there is only a glow in the west. Darkness is falling much earlier now. The portents are unsettling.

  44. Good point, Jack.

    On Washington Week in Review the bullpen agreed that they have no idea what is in the bill, and cannot see into the future. These are strange words issuing from the oracles. Oracles who always know it all.

    Now they are confused and uncomfortable. They say that there is no leader in the land, They say that no leader would be accepted. The nation holds its breath.

  45. I shall now rest my weary mind in the timeless and reactionary ritual of baseball.


  46. whskyjack says: “Wish we could imbed images but then again maybe not. Craig might really lose his cool.”

    Ha, whsky, here I try to keep such a tidy bar and you guys wanna turn over the furniture. Ya know I have tried everything imaginable to allow image embeds but wordpress just won’t cooperate.

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