Don’t Discount Perry

Rick Perry insists it takes a lot more than $5,000 to buy him.

During this week’s GOP presidential debate Michele Bachmann targeted the Texas governor for mandating vaccinations made by a drug company that gave him campaign funds while also hiring his former chief of staff as a lobbyist. His response was, to say the least, a bit awkward.

Noting that he’s raised $30 million in the past, but only $5,000 from that company, Perry told Bachmann, “If you’re saying I can be bought for $5,000, I’m offended.”

In other words, Gov. Perry, you’re offended by any suggestion you come that cheap?

193 thoughts on “Don’t Discount Perry”

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  2. The late Sen. Ev Dirksen (R-IL) : “A B!LL!ON here, a B!LL!ON there, pretty soon you’re talking real money.”

    Yup, if you’re going to bribe perry, you’d better bring real money.

  3. If huntsman is so sane, what the hell is he doing seeking the republycanthrope nomination ?

    Why can’t he grow roses, collect stamps, or learn tap dancing like normal people ?

  4. “I’m not asking about your morals, Miss; I’ve figured that out already. Now, we’re just haggling about the price.”

    Substitute the word governor for the word Miss.

  5. I have not watched any of the republican debate.

    But let me guess. It’s a noun and a verb and ‘tax cuts’.

    Please tell me I’m wrong. 😉

  6. Going once, going twice, Sold! to the big corporation in the back row, one Texas governor all neatly wrapped, with a load of larceny in his heart and nary a brain in his head.

    Next on the list, a little congresswoman from Minneeesota!
    Who will open the biddin’? Do I hear five thousand dolla’……….

  7. I think we need a Fact Check on this one. When the story first appeared, I took a look, and it seems that Perry had mandated that teenage girls be vaccinated for HPV using a specific vaccine. I was more pleased that a Repug would mandate the vaccination that I didn’t bother checking on how many manufacturers of the vaccine there are.

  8. Flatus,
    If any politician says or does any thing, it damned well needs to be fact checked. :smile:

  9. You can’t buy bachmann with a $700,000,000.00 bridge over the St. Croix River. That just rents her for the afternoon.
    perry’s mandate of HPV serum for 13 year old girls tells us his opinion of the morals of 13 year old girls in Texas.

    The fact that he gave the HPV business to a contributor & crony demonstrates that perry may be projecting his own low morals onto Texas girls.

    This is the 3d landmine perry has laid in front of himself on his slog to the White House, and he’s only been in the race a few days. It gives me the idea that perry may make decisions the way john muckain did – instantaneously, and without engaging a single little gray cell.

    Despite perry’s braggadoccio and swagger, the guy’s a fragile flower. I predict that perry’s campaign will not arise with the crocuses next Spring.

  10. Very bad news has come out of Vladivostok, a hasty science trip left Vladivostok a week ago ……

    There is a giant shelf off the northeast coast of Siberia. It’s very shallow, like the Texas coast. All of sea bed is made-up of permafrost hundreds of feet thick. This shelf may have started to really be begin out gassing.
    And there’s this :

    LONDON: Ice at the North Pole has melted to the lowest level since satellite observations began in 1979, meaning the Arctic is almost certainly the smallest it has been for 8000 years, polar scientists said.

    If the trend continues, the Arctic will be largely ice-free in the northern summer 40 years earlier than anticipated in the last Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment report.
    Daily satellite sea ice maps released by Bremen University physicists show that with a week’s further melt expected this year, the floating ice in the Arctic covered 4.24 million square kilometres on September 8. The previous one-day minimum was 4.27 million square kilometres on September 17, 2007.

  11. According to a report published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B, large crabs stretching almost a meter wide have invaded the edge of the Antarctic, destroying ecosystems that took millions of years to build.

    The King Crabs have colonized the “Antarctic abyss” of Palmer Deep, a basin more than 4,300 feet down, off the Antarctic Peninsula, reports the New Scientist.

    Led by researchers at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, the findings are shown in a video filmed at the bottom of the ocean.

  12. A word about those giant red crabs marching toward Antarctica……….
    There are many things in nature where 5/10 th’s of a degree makes a huge difference. Alligators comes to mind, just a little difference in the heat in the nest and bingo, you get all males, or all females. The bad news here is three pronged :
    A – The ocean is warming at 4,200 feet off Antarctica.
    B – The crabs lay waste to all before them, that can’t swim away . The creatures here have zero defenses against the crab.
    C – Climate Change is effecting creatures nearly a mile down in the ocean at the bottom of the world.

    You like old horror movies ?
    Here’s one for you , at the bottom of the ocean 4,200 feet down you are rooted to the sea floor, or you crawl slowly over it. A new animal shows up with claws. It’s 3 feet across, it’s red, it walks, it eats everything it comes across. As the ocean warms at the bottom of the world they march forward.

    At the top of the world this year , the walrus came ashore again. Nearly 2 weeks earlier than ever seen. These records go back just a few years. The Inuit have never seen walrus haul out like this. Remember that shallow shelf off Siberia ? Walrus mothers used to nurse their young off the coast, floating on ice. Now they may be run over by large ships.

  13. “Don’t Discount Perry”, be prepared to absorb the full cost in the re: tail sector.

  14. Short story as told to by a friend “kenny was down to the casinos in tunica miss gambling ” he was approached by a ‘ working girl ” she asks if he was interested in a good time ” with no intention of following through “just playing along”he ask how much would it cost ” she says three hundred dollars ” he says whoa why hell I can get girls all day long in Memphis for fifty ” insulted she turns around and leaves in huff “well he forgets about the whole thing till about a month later “he’s down there with his wife “same girl spots him and his wife playing the slot machines “she sidles up next to him “leans over and says “see there you go that’s what you get for fifty dollars

  15. So Perry has established what he is now we are just determining
    price…and I’m betting he can be had for 5k or less

  16. Bachmann Draws Blood on Perry, Romney Stays Steady
    by Taylor Marsh

    It was a brawl. A beautifully ugly Republican battle.

    The Tea Party audience loved Rick Perry. …right up until he made the case for “illegal immigrant” children to get in-state tuition.

    “I didn’t mind the vaccine, social security is a ponzi scheme, but the illegal immigration issue is killing Perry.” – Ann Coulter

    The boos then started rolling in, which Romney utilized in a strong but not stand-out debate performance. But that wasn’t the worst of it for Perry.

    Social Security is the issue that moves Democrats and progressives looking to the general election, with Romney and Perry going at it on it (video), but in a Tea Party nomination process on the way to securing the nomination, it’s crony capitalism that can kill you.

  17. The 2012 election: Why it matters more than most
    By Ezra Klein

    In reality, Obama didn’t enter office at the right time to be FDR or Hoover. FDR was inaugurated in 1933 — more than three years into the Great Depression. The year before he took office, the country’s economy contracted by more than 13 percent and unemployment reached 23.6 percent. The suffering was pinned on his predecessor, and it had gone on long enough that a boom was in the offing — a boom that came, right on schedule, in 1934, when the economy grew by more than 10 percent. No wonder FDR was grinning.

  18. I AM counting Gov. Perry out of the race. (If only I could count him out of state gov’t, too.)

    Maybe smug plays to his base, but Rovians and the established GOoPers aren’t going to have it. And, the contribution from Merck over the course of his campaigns was well over $5k. While I’m no fan of Bachmann, I was cheering on her skewering of Gov. Perry’s hpv iniative.

    Perhaps, she is going to be Romney’s attack dog so he can stay above the fray & she will be the veep-nom to keep the Tea Partiers happy.

    Wait, nothing makes them happy except forcing women to give birth, but then letting all of the uninsured go home to die once they are born.

    I believe T’Paw is also bucking for the position as Romney’s veep, but is he even too boring for the normally, superfluous job of veep?

  19. Wait, nothing makes them happy except forcing women to give birth, but then letting all of the uninsured go home to die once they are born.

    Great point and needs to be said over and over! Yep, this is today’s GOP…

  20. The hypocrites of the prolife movement are exposed. Let Them Die!

    Tea Party Debate Crowd on Uninsured Sick Americans: Let Them Die!

    On the topic of healthcare, Blitzer asked Congressman Ron Paul what he’d do if an otherwise healthy 30-year-old man without health insurance needed six months of intensive care to survive: “Are you saying that society should just let him die?”

    Paul’s answer wasn’t as simple as “Yes” or “No.” But as you’ll see in this video, the audience sure made its mind up quickly!


  21. I consider it my duty as a citizen to stay as well informed as possible. Therefore I don’t watch republican debates. 😉

  22. “Bachmann draws blood on Perry”
    Sounds like a scene from True Blood.
    I don’t know if she has the fangs, but she surely has the eyes.

  23. Craig, re your 2301 from yesterday.

    Sorry I missed where you did go into the HPV situation with Perry–more accurately I glanced at it, but the campaign finance issue was so much more complicated than the medical (HPV), that I chose not to devote time and emotion to it when that thread had already been overtaken by another.

  24. Flatus
    In regard to your comment about the young woman who climbed into her F16 on 9-11 with the understanding that the only way she could accomplish her mission was to ram the airliner with her jet fighter.

    I have always said that the quality of our leadership has never matched that of the service of our people in the military, they deserve better leadership.
    But , also, the rest of us fell short when we let our nation be lead down several very questionable paths purely out of fear.


  25. There were two beauty pageants last night on economy cable — the tea party debates and Miss Universe. Miss USA did not make the top ten finalists. The winner was Miss Angola. Miss USA was very thin and Ms. Angola from starving Africa had more curves and weight. Another sign of the times. And in watching the tea party debates, Rick Perry stuck his chest out (gorilla style) when he swaggered on stage. Sort of like the Miss Universe contestants. Worst news of the night, no Bronco game for hubby…economy cable can suck.

  26. Ron Paul has an idea of the problems, he just has an unworkable solution.
    Libertarianism and communism are alike in the fact that if they could take the people out of the equation then their theories would work.


  27. More to support my nation of cowards belief.

    From James Fallows blog, at The Atlantic

    To skip ahead to the punch line, on this flight she was sitting by chance in a row with two Indian-looking passengers, neither of whom knew the other or knew her. But collectively they aroused the suspicion of other passengers or crew, and when the plane landed, heavily armed troops stormed aboard, handcuffed the three of them, and took them off for extensive questioning.


  28. Jack, I have briefed so many people who I knew and they knew were on one way missions that we all knew that the portion of the briefing on getting back home was little more than a formality. I had no doubts about their commitment to do their missions. Fortunately, these were nuclear missions and we never crossed that threshold.

    A couple of times Danilo has talked about the ‘fighter mafia’. Right now a special ops 4-star is chief of staff of the Air Force. We had enough concerns about the ‘fighter mafia’ mentality that some ‘fighter’ aircraft such as late models of the F-111 were designed so they couldn’t carry air-to-air missiles. In other words, these airplanes were essentially bombers and we didn’t want their crews straying from that mission.

  29. Those tea partiers hollering for blood in the case of the uninsured 30-year old is downright frightening. That’s what the country has come to…. 😯

  30. Patsi

    Why do you believe it to be the teaparty folks making all the noise?


  31. Did you ever notice that career politicians who work for low government salaries, end up, after 20 years or so, with enormous wealth?

    It ain’t just the campaign contributions. Their spouses and kids get high paying jobs with businesses seeking favors & influence, and the politicians get (paid) seats on boards, and are allowed to participate in “investments.”

    They put a few bucks into a business but walk away with huge profits. The businesses have essentially been set up as schemes to money-launder a bribe.

    For instance, consider how a young George W Bush, for a tiny investment, got to be a “co-owner” of the Texas Rangers, and then made $25 million when the team was sold. This was just a payment to his father (President George HW Bush )for political favors done in the past.

    I’d also mention Hillary Clinton, who, when her husband was earning a pittance as Governor of Arkansas, was a partner in the most “politically connected” law firm in Little Rock. You can bet that if Bill hadn’t been her husband, she wouldn’t have had all those high-paying clients. She also had a seat on the board of everyone’s favorite union-busting corporation, Wal-Mart.

    Corruption is bi-partisan.

  32. Giant crabs are attacking Antarctica?

    Sounds like a low-budget 50s sci-fi movie. .

  33. Nash

    Not saying you are wrong, but at least with Hillary they got a competent attorney. Of course she was a woman and during that time period in a Southern state probably would never have gotten such a position on her own – male chauvinist oinkers being what they were.

  34. “I believe T’Paw is also bucking for the position as Romney’s veep, but is he even too boring for the normally, superfluous job of veep?” – Blue @ 8:07 am.

    Potholes Aplenty is poison. The I35W bridge collapse can be ‘credited’ to him. The US doesn’t need terrorists when they have penny wise B!LL!ON Dollar foolish sumbidges like timmy who let bridges fall down in lieu of taxing the Super Rich. Even tea party fanatics can’t explain away that kind of mis-leadership.

  35. Craig,

    I’m sorry that I forgot to add the ‘v’ to the Oscar Brown Jr. song.

    This old forgetful guy will endeavor to remember in the future.

  36. Wrong Pol’s ‘answer’ to Blitzer’s Q about the comatose 30 year old put the costs onto the County Hospital. Well, doesn’t government pay for the expenses of the County Hospital ?

    This demonstrates the ripper’s desire to put as much of the tax burden as possible onto the property tax, a tax that burdens poor people much more than rich people. In the early ’90s MN briefly had a 1% real estare tax on homesteaded property and a 3% tax on commercial property. Rental units were classed as commercial for tax purposes.

    To be continued….

  37. From the article —
    In 2009, the richest 10% of Americans accounted for about half the nation’s wealth. Narrow that focus a bit further, and the trend is even more alarming. The top 0.1% — those who make at least $2 million each year — controlled 10% of the economy.

    That’s a far cry from the 1950s, when the suburban American dream ruled: the bottom 90% of Americans controlled about 68% of the economy.

  38. Sorry Craig to contradict you but Ron Paul stuck it to perry in the debate at the Reagan library about the guardisall issue ” also had it up on his official website before 9-7
    But you could say you were one of the first to bring it up

  39. Continued from 1:17 pm

    So, if a family making $40,000 rented an apartment with an assessed value of $100,000, the tax built into their rent was $3,000, or 7.5% of their income.

    Another family, making $125,000 and living in their own $250,000 home paid $2,500 in tax, or 2% of their income.

    I don’t know the real estate tax situation in Texas, but this is the kind of regressive tax system that Wrong Pol and his ilk want to be the financial base of governmental operations in the US.

  40. Also, continued from 1:17 pm :

    In the ’90s, MN had a graduated tax for residences worth more than $250,000. All value above 1/4 million paid and exrra % on the excess. So, a house valued at $$1,750,000 would owe 1% of $250k = $2,500, plus 2% of $1,500,000 = $30,000, for total tax bill of $32,500. If the family was making $900,000 the tax would still be less less than 3%.

    A tax on poor people that amounts to 7.5% vs a tax on rich people that amounts to less than 3% is unfair to poor people. In fact, it seems a lot like taking from the poor to give to the rich, or as rippers love to say, “income re-distribution”.

    The rippers reason this way : All of this property tax stuff is purely elective. We are all free to live the life style we choose. Poor people often choose to live in apartments – a bad life style choice, because we can see that owning your own home, even if it is a mansion, is cheaper. If poor people chose not to live in apartments, but to live in dumpsters instead, they would avoid paying property taxes altogether. It’s also the rich people’s choice too. The poor people are just as free to live in dumpsters as the rich people are.

  41. There were two beauty pageants last night on economy cable — the tea party debates and Miss Universe. Miss USA did not make the top ten finalists. The winner was Miss Angola

    bw, angola probably also has a viable post office unlike a certain #1 top best country in the world. it most likely also has a national health service and mass transit system unlike the u know who. well, maybe not but they’re getting there faster than we are.

    good analogy on the cheesy cake contests

  42. Ron Paul….. had it up on his official website before 9-7
    But you could say you were one of the first to bring it up

    mqw, comparing pol (or paul) publication to gracious host thread is like comparing sci-fi to webster’s.

  43. I have performed my 3 acts of contrition, Father.

    I even said a Hail perry, Full of Graft.

  44. I guess, my contrition wasn’t contrite enough. Either that or the virgin perry has immaculated my last 3 posts.

  45. Well, that was interesting. They all appeared to be jammed up in the internet innertubes, and then were all suddenly dumped nearly simultaneously. Cyber exlax ?

  46. Patd ” Ron Paul brought up the gaurdisall issue in the Reagan library debate ” it was on national tv ” it’s on you tube “it was all over Ron paul websites for months now ”
    Goodness gracious “

  47. The innertubes deleted the duplicate posts, and then they reappeared. Then they refused to delete.

    ?Pending moderation?

    I’m having a helluva time posting this afternoon.

  48. I even said a Hail perry, Full of Graft.

    XR, I like it when you are punilicious!

  49. perhaps someone will write a poem about us the way aga shahid ali wrote about kashmir. here’s only the first few lines of his poem:

    The Country Without a Post Office

    Again I’ve returned to this country
    where a minaret has been entombed.
    Someone soaks the wicks of clay lamps
    in mustard oil, each night climbs its steps
    to read messages scratched on planets.
    His fingerprints cancel bank stamps
    in that archive for letters with doomed
    addresses, each house buried or empty….

  50. MQW, i didn’t remember that Paul focused on the Merck contributions angle in the Reagan Library debate. If so, good for him. I really thought Bachmann last night was the first to bring up that particular point in a debate, which until now has not been covered so much.

  51. First Look: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2010

    Real median household income in the United States in 2010 was $49,445, a 2.3 percent decline from the 2009 median.
    Since 2007, the year before the most recent recession, real median household income has declined 6.4 percent and is 7.1 percent below the median household income peak that occurred prior to the 2001 recession in 1999.
    In spring 2011, 5.9 million young adults age 25-34 (14.2 percent) resided in their parents’ household, compared with 4.7 million (11.8 percent) before the recession, an increase of 2.4 percentage points.
    It is difficult to precisely assess the impact of doubling up on overall poverty rates. Young adults age 25-34, living with their parents, had an official poverty rate of 8.4 percent, but if their poverty status were determined using their own income, 45.3 percent had an income below the poverty threshold for a single person under age 65.

  52. xrepub, i see you and the spam filter have been having a fight this afternoon. Think I’ve got it sorted out. Please guys, when you’re having a problem just send me an email for quicker action —

    The more you do battle with the filter in thread the worse it gets. It’s just a robot trying to do its job, and occasionally needs a bit of reprogramming — which I can do if you just let me know.

    In its defense the filter has blocked every single incident (and there have been thousands) of real spam trying to attack our threads, but does get confused and go after the innocent now and then. Maybe we should give it a user-friendly name to improve relations.

  53. Real median household income in the United States in 2010 was $49,445, a 2.3 percent decline from the 2009 median.
    Since 2007, the year before the most recent recession, real median household income has declined 6.4 percent and is 7.1 percent below the median household income peak that occurred prior to the 2001 recession in 1999.

    In other words for working America there has already been a lost decade.
    It is one of the reasons why you see the misdirected anger of teaparty supporters.


  54. Japanese crabbers will soon find those invading King Crabs, and the Arctic Ocean will be saved.

    During the late 70s, when I was briefly in the retail fish business, we saw a spike in frozen King Crab prices. Allegedly there were shortages of King Crabs. The price jumped and the frozen King Crabs were suddenly available again. I think it was the crab wholesalers and distributors union that withheld the product from market until wholesalers got the price they wanted.

    Snow Crab ‘clusters’ also came into vogue at that time,

  55. Craig,

    Why do they call it a spam filter ? I wasn’t spamming.

    Why not call it a commenteater ? ( :>D))<

  56. “It’s just a robot trying to do its job…”

    welcome to the club, phil the filter (or philomena if you’re of that persuasion). but aren’t we all just robots these days, craig?

  57. Perhaps, Phil the filter is acquiring artificial intelligence via some viral spam.

  58. xr, you must be referring to phil’s parents, sam and pam filter. nice quiet couple but a little on the prim and prudey side now and then.

  59. I too enjoyed seeing the goopers snack on each other.
    Gad I hope it’s not Mittens –a campaign season of that and I will be the one to let the dogs out

  60. KGC

    From the look of that census report, that would be President Mittens.
    Maybe he will legalize Pot, purely for medicinal purposes.


  61. President Mittens is not likely to legalize pot for any purpose
    …although you would think the financial issues would appeal to him.

    I don’t think he is electable — he has all the Shrubian crassness and none of the charm (sic)

  62. also we’ve had an unusually busy traffic day thanks to making me quote of the day, so Phil is working overtime and a bit frazzled

  63. And so many lame prepared jokes. Oy Vey makes me long for TrudyJulieAnnie and his fake phone calls

  64. I bought some books, but I’m cheap they were used ones so not too many pennies flowed your way.

    I haven’t seen that commercial in arabic again, wonder if homeland security is keeping track of me for clicking on the link. The computer does seem a little slow today.
    If I disappear tell the wife what happened.


  65. Jack…if you wind up in the spam filter with Phil via some Homeland security trick, I am sure Craig can rescue you.

  66. “KGC

    From the look of that census report, that would be President Mittens.
    Maybe he will legalize Pot, purely for medicinal purposes.


    Would have legalized the stuff….but you know someone always has to mess it up….

    Jesus, in a very worried state, convened all of his apostles and disciples to an emergency meeting because of the high drug consumption problem all over the earth. After giving it much thought they reached the conclusion that in order to better deal with the problem, that they should try the drugs themselves and then decide on the correct way to proceed. It was therefore decided that a commission made up of some of the members return to earth to get the different types of drugs. The secret operation is effected and two days later the commissioned disciples begin to return to heaven. Jesus, waiting at the door, lets in the first disciple:

    “Who is it?”
    “It’s Paul.”
    Jesus opens the door.
    “What did you bring Paul?”
    “Hashish from Morocco.”
    “Very well son, come in.”

    “Who is it?”
    “It’s Mark.”
    Jesus opens the door.
    “What did you bring Mark?”
    “Marijuana from Colombia.”
    “Very well son, come in.”

    “Who is it?”
    “It’s Matthew.” Jesus opens the door.
    “What did you bring Matthew?”
    “Cocaine from Bolivia.”
    “Very well son, come in.”

    “Who is it?”
    “It’s John.” Jesus opens the door.
    “What did you bring John?”
    “Crack from New York.”
    “Very well son, come in.”

    “Who is it?”
    “It’s Luke.”
    Jesus opens the door.
    “What did you bring Luke?”
    “Speed from Amsterdam.”
    “Very well son, come in.”

    “Who is it?”
    “It’s Judas.”
    Jesus opens the door.
    “What did you bring Judas?”


  67. The whole social security argument is totally bogus and represents the value of the rich who believe you should only care about yourself — the same people (asshole guggenheim) who want to take down public education

  68. According to the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) in 2009, ASCE estimates that $2.2 trillion needs to be invested over five years to bring the condition of the nation’s infrastructure up to a good condition—an increase of more than half a trillion dollars since the 2005 Report Card’s estimate of $1.6 trillion.

    America’s 2009 Infrastructure Grade Point Average (GPA): D
    Estimated 5 Year Investment Need: $2.2 Trillion

    The entire 2009 Report Card for America’s Infrastructure (168 pages).

    I personally like the consolidated detail in TABLE B ★ Estimated 5-Year Investment Needs in Billions of Dollars on Page 7 of the report.

  69. my opinion, (and frank yerby’s) is that by ratting out the jeebus judas thought he would be the catalyst which would ignite the revolution and rid their country of the hated romaner overlords……it kinda backfired on his misunderstandingness when jeebus put the sojer’s ear back on for him and handed him back his sword. I mean, is it turn the other damn cheek, or not?

    anyway judas couldnt take being so stupid and he hung his sorry self. Had to be a tad of deep reflection going on prior to that.

    I mean, jeebus was known to say: “I come with a sword…”

  70. US taxpayers ARE funding “infrastructure improvements,” in China, India, Brazil, etc, every time Congress gives an “investment tax credit” to a US based multi-national corporation.

  71. For the next GOP debate, why not just have a “demolition derby?”

    Enough talk, I want to see some junker cars doing head-on collisions.

    Romney will have a Volvo, Perry will have a pick-up with steer horns on the front, Cain will have a Caddy with gansta whitewalls, Ron Paul will have a Delorean, and Bachmann will be riding a Harley from Orange County Choppers, looking dazed and confused.

  72. Sturg,

    That would be my opinion also…Jesus ordered Judas to give him away, he was a good soldier ….and that sword part is also lost on almost all
    They weren’t called “dagger men” for nothing…Jesus was not all that peaceful….those were very, very violent times….

    Was/is Jesus God?….why did God mess around with someone else s finance….Mary? and then get her pregnant? Gotta be against some sort of commandment no?

  73. when I was in middle and high school the student body went to a church service in the chapel every morning before classes. There were many jewish lads in this school where their parents knew the kids would receive a good education. I began to notice that the jewish kids were not the least bit attentive to the service, and during the prayers while not disrespectful were also obviously divorced from the proceedings. They also remained seated when the episcopalian-geared service went to standing for hymns and such stuff. After discussing it with a number of my jewish friends and finding out their positions on certain things I came to the conclusion that I must be jewish.

  74. demolition derby the combatants all slam into each other in reverse. sturg

    Really? why?

  75. the radiator is in front…..most vulnerable part….cripple the radiator, the car runs hot and is dead…..

    all those clunkers screaming around out there in reverse trying to ram the other guys’ radiators.

  76. North Carolina Puts Gay Marriage Ban On May 2012 Ballot
    Tyler Kingkade

    WASHINGTON — North Carolina residents will vote whether to amend the state constitution to ban same-sex marriage in May 2012, after the state Senate approved legislation placing the measure on the ballot on Tuesday.

    The amendment would bar legal recognition of any union besides marriage between one man and one woman, including civil unions and domestic partnerships for gay and straight couples.

  77. The Oddness of the President’s Upcoming Deficit-Reduction Plan
    by Robert Reich

    When unemployment is still in the stratosphere, it would be insane to start cutting the deficit by $3 trillion to $4 trillion. That would push unemployment into outer space.

    And in proposing such a huge deficit reduction package, the president continues to reinforce the Republican lie that the budget deficit is our biggest challenge — indeed, that we’re in the fix we’re in because government has become too big.

    If the president wants to show his creds on deficit reduction, at least put in a trigger that begins to lower the deficit only when unemployment falls to 6 percent.

    Our national crisis is joblessness and low wages, not the deficit.

  78. Here’s the results so far for in the race for A.Weiner’s congressional seat
    TPM Election Scoreboard
    HOUSE — NY-09 Votes
    Hoeppner (SWP) 0%
    Turner (R) 54%
    Weprin (D) 46%
    9% reporting

  79. Rick Perry’s Ties With Merck Run Deep

    Reporter: Associated Press

    AUSTIN (AP) — Gov. Rick Perry ordered Friday that schoolgirls in Texas must be vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer, making Texas the first state to require the shots.

    The girls will have to get Merck & Co.’s new vaccine against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV, that are responsible for most cases of cervical cancer.

    Merck is bankrolling efforts to pass laws in state legislatures across the country mandating it Gardasil vaccine for girls as young as 11 or 12. It doubled its lobbying budget in Texas and has funneled money through Women in Government, an advocacy group made up of female state legislators around the country.

    Details of the order were not immediately available, but the governor’s office confirmed to The Associated Press that he was signing the order and he would comment Friday afternoon.

    Perry has several ties to Merck and Women in Government. One of the drug company’s three lobbyists in Texas is Mike Toomey, his former chief of staff. His current chief of staff’s mother-in-law, Texas Republican state Rep. Dianne White Delisi, is a state director for Women in Government.

    Toomey was expected to be able to woo conservative legislators concerned about the requirement stepping on parent’s rights and about signaling tacit approval of sexual activity to young girls. Delisi, as head of the House public health committee, which likely would have considered legislation filed by a Democratic member, also would have helped ease conservative opposition.

    Perry also received $6,000 from Merck’s political action committee during his re-election campaign.

    It wasn’t immediately clear how long the order would last and whether the legislation was still necessary. However it could have been difficult to muster support from lawmakers who champion abstinence education and parents’ rights.

    Perry, a conservative Christian who opposes abortion rights and stem- cell research using embryonic cells, counts on the religious right for his political base.

    But he has said the cervical cancer vaccine is no different than the one that protects children against polio.

    “If there are diseases in our society that are going to cost us large amounts of money, it just makes good economic sense, not to mention the health and well being of these individuals to have those vaccines available,” he said.

    Texas allows parents to opt out of inoculations by filing an affidavit stating that he or she objected to the vaccine for religious or philosophical reasons.

    Even with such provisions, however, conservative groups say mandates take away parents’ rights to be the primary medical decision maker for their children.

    The federal government approved Gardasil in June, and a government advisory panel has recommended that all girls get the shots at 11 and 12, before they are likely to be sexually active.

    The New Jersey-based drug company could generate billions in sales if Gardasil _ at $360 for the three-shot regimen _ were made mandatory across the country. Most insurance companies now cover the vaccine, which has been shown to have no serious side effects.

    Merck spokeswoman Janet Skidmore would not say how much the company is spending on lobbyists or how much it has donated to Women in Government. Susan Crosby, the group’s president, also declined to specify how much the drug company gave.

    A top official from Merck’s vaccine division sits on Women in Government’s business council, and many of the bills around the country have been introduced by members of Women in Government.

  80. I accidentally clipped the date off that article but it was february 2007
    Like I said all the information about perry and gardisal is and has been for years easily and readily available for anyone with about two minutes to do a quick web search

  81. That was an AP piece not exactly known for their science fiction stories
    Although now days I wouldn’t put too much faith in any mainstream media outlets

  82. Perry has more skeletons yet to come out of the closet”
    He’s a big spending “big government crony capitalist
    Prediction he’ll be out of the race in a month

  83. G.O.P. Gains House Seat Vacated by Weiner
    Thomas Kaplin

    “I am a registered Democrat, I have always been a registered Democrat, I come from a family of Democrats — and I hate to say this, I voted Republican,” said Linda Goldberg, 61, after casting her ballot in Queens. “I need to send a message to the president that he’s not doing a very good job. Our economy is horrible. People are scared.”

    Mr. Turner will become the first Republican since 1920 elected to represent the Ninth Congressional District, which now stretches from the Rockaways to Forest Hills and encompasses a swath of middle-class and working-class neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens. The district is predominantly white and has long been known for its large Jewish population, though it has become increasingly diverse in recent years.

  84. mqw. ok ok, gracious host was not 1st journalist to report on the texas drug pusher. but he may have been the 1st pundit. in any case the sci-fi slur was against politicians’ publications per se, not against you. my apologies if you were offended.

  85. Democrats See Perils on Path to Health Cuts

    Few Democrats fit that description. But many say that if, as expected, Mr. Obama next week proposes $300 billion to $500 billion of savings over 10 years in entitlement programs, he will provide political cover for a new bipartisan Congressional committee to cut just as much or more.

    And, they say, such proposals from the White House will hamstring Democrats who had been hoping to employ Medicare as a potent issue against Republicans in 2012 campaigns after many Congressional Republicans backed a budget that would have substantially altered Medicare by providing future beneficiaries with a subsidy to enroll in private health care plans.

  86. nash, half-gov is on the harley with bachmaniac riding in the side car.

    the huckster is providing the color commentary, background music and eulogy for the pileup aftermath.

  87. A bigger story might be how many girls have suffered from the ill effects of the hpv vaccine (auto-immune disorders, cancers, autism), despite the vaccine addressing only certain strains of hpv. (And why was NBC Nightly News trying to shoe away any negative comments about the drug last night? Big, TV ad money?)

    It’s like all of the RX drug ads on TV (and the disgusting practice of marketing to people to get them to self-diagnose and go ask their doctors for specific drugs), it’s the warnings that are a concern.

    The possible side-effects sound much worse than the initial problem the ads try to plant in the brains of TV viewers.

  88. O Lucky Man!
    Timothy Noah

    If the GOP nominee ends up being Romney, Obama will face in the fall of 2012 an opponent who, in a sensible world, would boast that he instituted Obamacare before Obamacare was cool. Since this is not a sensible world, Obama will face an opponent who frantically tries to distance himself from Obamacare, an effort for which he has been mocked by the Wall Street Journal editorial page and the Club For Growth, who aren’t buying it. The Massachusetts health reform is Romney’s only significant governing legacy and it’s become his biggest liability. In these dark days of Obama’s presidency, Obama’s biggest electoral problem is that these numbers might make him overconfident. How lucky can you get?

  89. Pesek: Obama’s Soul Mate Down Under Is Down

    It’s as predictable as political leadership gets: When things go awry at home, escape overseas for a while, grip and grin with a foreign head of state and change the subject.
    Barack Obama may have this tried-and-true strategy in mind as he plans to visit Australia, which is about as far as a U.S. president can get from the rancor in Washington. Yet as he meets with Prime Minister Julia Gillard in November, it will be hard not to wonder about the weak leadership imperiling not only their economies, but also the world at large.

  90. also we’ve had an unusually busy traffic day thanks to making me quote of the day, so Phil is working overtime and a bit frazzled

    craig, i do hope that phil gets a bonus, overtime pay or at least a few more leg chain lengths loosened and extra gruel for his efforts yesterday.

    btw, boss, a discounted perry was an excellent observation.

  91. “craig, i do hope that phil gets a bonus, overtime pay or at least a few more leg chain lengths loosened and extra gruel for his efforts yesterday.”

    I’m receiving radio images of the creaking doors and clanking locks and long steps down to where Jack Benny kept his money.

  92. Ha! An interesting mini-story buried on page B3, amidst the obituaries, of this morning’s The State out of Columbia. It reads something like this:

    Tea Party Leader to Resign Post

    Allen Olson, chairman of the Columbia Tea Party, said Tuesday, he will resign his post in order to endorse former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich in his bid for the White House.”…

    The story was written by Gina Smith

  93. I woke up in poverty today and it pissed me off. Hubby and I do not have a shovel to dig out. My neighborhood is becoming run down…more rentals, more declining values. My neighbor gets food from a food bank…plastic bags of expired pinto beans, starchy broken white rice – reminds of the moldy bread people toss out for the wildlife. I share as much fresh veggies as I can grow, but I fear for the winter. It has gotten that bad here in America. It is very upsetting and scary for me. I thought I could weather the economic contraction…just go shopping like GWB said…only my shopping is at the Dollar Tree. Cheap food, cosmetics, supplies. And the ignorant masses think republican’ts are going to get us out of this mess. Depressions are depressing.

  94. flatus, interesting comments after that article you mentioned. interesting that most of them think newtie’s intelligent. maybe well-educated or a kind of intelligence which lacks wisdom.

  95. Obama stands up to the GOP…

    Last week, “Pass this bill!”

    This week, “Pass some parts of this bill, and I’ll sign it.”

    Next week, “Pass your own bill, and I’ll be too afraid not to sign it.”

  96. merriam-webster:

    Definition of INTELLIGENCE
    1a (1) : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : reason; also : the skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one’s environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests) b Christian Science : the basic eternal quality of divine Mind c : mental acuteness : shrewdness
    2a : an intelligent entity; especially : angel b : intelligent minds or mind
    3: the act of understanding : comprehension
    4a : information, news b : information concerning an enemy or possible enemy or an area; also : an agency engaged in obtaining such information
    5: the ability to perform computer functions

    well, maybe 1c and 5 apply to newtie

  97. I am now convinced that Hillary is going to challenge Obama in the Dem primaries. And she will win.

    Obama is totally worthless as a President and slowly but surely, most Democrats are going to figure this out. If Obama is the 2012 Dem candidate, he’ll lose and take the whole damn party down with him, in both Congressional and state races.

    So…he’s gotta go and Hillary is the only one who can do it.

  98. Obama’s weakness has advanced the GOP agenda far more than McCain would have been able to do if he had won in 2008.

    That’s why, if Romney is the GOP candidate, and Obama is the Democratic candidate, I’m voting for Romney.

    As a liberal Democrat, I think we have a better chance of preserving Social Security, Medicare, Civil Rights, etc with Romney in the White House.

    Romney might actually stand up up to the crazy right wing.

    As we have seen, againa and again, Obama is incapable of doing that. Four more years of Obama and the Tea Party will get every thing it wants, through one Obama “bi-partisan compromise” after another.

    Forget the rhetoric; in reality, Romney is more of a liberal than Obama.

  99. nash, nope, she’s a good soldier. however, he may take the lbj way out and step aside (especially if there’s a big fat carrot promise to higher heights of glory dangling out there somewhere) in the best interests of the country in order to pass needed reforms. thus opening the door for her as the gentleman that he is.

  100. patd: If Hillary (and Bill) figure out that Obama is probably going to lose, they’ll have to strategize…

    * Better to take on Obama in the primaries or…
    * Wait until 2016?

    The conventional wisdom is that she’ll wait.

    I’m thinking that she might defy conventional wisdom and jump in. It all depends on Obama’s popularity with the Dem base. If it starts to drop sharply, and many prominent Dems call for her to challenge Obama, she might just do it.

    Heck, if it gets bad enough, Obama might decide not to run for a second term, as LBJ did in 1968.

    Best anti-war chant of the 60s…

    “Hey, hey, LBJ. How many kids did you kill today?”

    (That’s the one that done him in.)

  101. Patd: I’m sorry. The first time I read your comment, I missed the “lbj” reference.

    We agree with you. Obama might do what LBJ did.

    As his staff said recently, he “doesn’t really care if he wins in 2012.”

    I’ve NEVER heard a president’s staff say that. It’s weird, and it may be a sign.

  102. The GOP strategy: wreck the economy & blame it on Obama.

    Obama’s strategy: let the GOP wreck the economy and blame it on “The partisanship culture of Washington DC.”

    The strategy of the Democrats in Congress? (Lemmings don’t really have a strategy. They just follow the leader over the cliff.)

    What is a frustrated liberal Democrat to do?

    The only thing I can think of is: move to Canada.

    If I could find a job there, I would go. I should have moved there in 1980, when Reagan won. It’s been all downhill since then.

  103. If you do move, Nash. I would go to Alberta. Low taxes and health care is good. Food is expensive, but not as poisonous as here. Beautiful scenery, Banff, etc. Canadian fish camp here we come!

  104. what if there were a scotus vacancy? could there be a deal cut where potus temporarily steps aside (due to conflict of interest), vpotus nominates him and then names a new vp upon the scotus confirmation?

    i asked this before and i think pogo either gave an opinion or cracked a joke. anyone remember?

    that scenario would allow barry to move out and up, joe to move up for 4 yrs, hillary to move in, and jokes about the 1st laddie return with avengence.

  105. That’s why, if Romney is the GOP candidate, and Obama is the Democratic candidate, I’m voting for Romney.

    As a liberal Democrat, I think we have a better chance of preserving Social Security, Medicare, Civil Rights, etc with Romney in the White House.

    Simply amazing! Can’t believe its come to this when a Liberal such as yourself is going to vote for Romney! I wish Hillary would challenge the president too but i agree with Pat, think Hillary is a good soldier..I so wish the President would take the LBJ way and step aside..

  106. FT: Obama’s Planned Cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security
    by Taylor Marsh

    The Financial Times lays out what has been talked about for months and months, with Pres. Obama set to deliver a speech on deficit reduction on Monday.

    It begins with the way the U.S. government measures inflation, which would deliver “a less generous chained-consumer price index,” to quote FT.

    This decision alone would devastate elderly women, as I’ve written before.

    Here’s the main reason, yep, in a long list of reasons why President Obama will never get my vote again!! Why should i vote for a Dem that throws are most cherished programs on the chopping block! To hell with this president!

  107. This is a comment from Daily KOS, just about sums things up!

    But I have concluded that Obama was the wrong man at the right time…The time to sweep up, and clean up after Bush..But Obama just doesnt seem to get it..Makes to many errors and conflicting messages..A flawed judgement in facing up to and reducing UNEMPLOYMENT on day one of his presidency..Never a solid liberal proud front and for that he will lose his presidency and we will more than likely get stuck with a Perry as president and a couple more supreme court nominations that will continue the push to the hard right..Religion will be psart of the government and government will be tied to religion..Obama did it to himself and he is going to take down too many gracious, caring, commited liberals with him..We are going to lose big time and I blame Obama..Believe it or not we worked our asses off for this guy..Why not a huge baloon about cuting the PENTAGON…? Those generals dont have any money deducted from their over blown wages to support the never ending wars, but last time I looked at my check their were deductions to pay for my Medicaire and Social Security funds…Rant over, fuck it I give up

  108. Stolen from the comment section on another blog, just loved it!

    The problem is that nobody seems to have learned anything from the “Obama Experience”.
    There are several things that I can think of off the top of my head:

    1.Experience does matter.

    2.A record of backing campaign issues does matter.

    3.The primary system needs to be reformed.

    4.Bipartisanship cannot be achieved with crazy people.

    5.Leadership qualities matter.

    6.Being loved by the press is mercurial at best and dangerous at most because the Washington Cocktail Party Crowd is at odds with what’s best for the people of this country.

    7.When Whole Food Nation attaches itself to a candidate run for the hills!!

  109. My mother was born in 1919 in mississippi and moved with her parents, brothers, and sisters in an old ford to birmingham, alabama while still a baby. She grew up on a farm in birmingham where her dad worked the farm days and then was a night watchman. My dad said that he was the hardest working man he’d ever seen in his life. Mother’s dad died in the bed in Birmingham in 1952. The farm, at that time, was surrounded by apt. bldgs and then later was sold and became more apt. bldgs.

    She married my father in ’39 and they moved to charleston for him to work in the navy yard. They lived on Folly for two years or so and then bought a tarpaper shack on Maybank Hwy., Johns Island. He fixed it up real nice. We lived there until ’56 when they built their new house across the street. She worked at the Medical College for about 10 years during which time I was in middle and high school at what was then across the street on Ashley Ave. I spent days after school reading all the magazines in the snack bar, waiting for a ride home. Her older sister Annabelle moved to charleston in the early sixties and after living with us for a bit moved to Rutlege Avenue across from the old library and worked at a marine supply house up on East Bay St. Sometimes we would go visit her, and sometimes, if perhaps Annabelle was in her cups, I would go to the library and kill time while they visited. That’s where I discovered the Freddy Books, by Walter Brooks. Annabelle died in ’69 at a house on Rutlege out past the old ball park with a pot of snap beans simmering on the stove, a pack-and-a-half of non-filtered Camels, and the best part of a pint of Jim Beam on the table, good to go. She was not one who wasted any time depending upon the kindness of strangers. Sometimes the three of us would go to a movie, either at the Gloria, or the Riviera depending on what was playing. There was a lot of Jeanette McDonald/Nelson Eddy pictures, Mario Lanza pictures, and “State Fair” i remember in particular…..the one with Bobby Darin and Tom Ewell. My mother had a green and white ’54 Olds 88 at that time.

    She was descended from a Col. Ward, indian fighter and revolutionary war guy. Her own mother spent the final days of her 98 years living with her. They were a couple of tough old babes.

  110. Why not a huge baloon about cuting the PENTAGON…? Those generals dont have any money deducted from their over blown wages to support the never ending wars, but last time I looked at my check their were deductions to pay for my Medicaire and Social Security funds…

    from Tony’s comment at 1833

    A lot of people think military people get all their pay tax free. Would it be so!

  111. Sturgeon,

    She lived a great life and leaves behind a great son to remember her for many more years.


  112. Sturg…glad you had such a tough babe for a Mother. There is nothing like losing your Mom. Mine still walks my thoughts constantly.

  113. I doubt that HRC would jump forward to become the first credible candidate challenging oh,bummer. It isn’t because she’s a team player, although that is part of it. I think that if she ran, it would only be after someone else made a strong showing in an early outing, the way Bobby Kennedy waited until McCarthy scored 40+/- % in New Hampshire.

    In another analog, Decimus Junius Brutus wavers as Casca carves Caesar’s mortal wound. The others all join in. Only then does Brutus decide to bloody his own dagger : “I guess I Might as well. Can’t do any more harm, can I ?”

  114. Sturgeone,

    I am sorry about your loss. From your description, I know I would have loved her.

  115. I’m in Bend in Central Oregon for a meeting today. The basic talk is, how do we get Hillary to be the Democratic nominee….Things are changing very quickly.

  116. Speaking of loss –

    The Chesapeake Bay looks like a dirty bathtub, its waters turned brown with mud and awash in pollution and floating debris, including uprooted trees, propane tanks, even a battered dining-room chair.

    Braving boat-damaging hazards, scientists are swarming over the bay to see if the massive stormwater runoff from Tropical Storm Lee last week is going to knock the troubled estuary for another loop, just as it was recovering from an especially rough summer.

    “It just doesn’t look right,” Jamie Strong, a biologist with the Maryland Department of Natural Resources, said of the malted-milk hue of the water as he and state biologist Zofia Noe cruised north from the Bay Bridge on Wednesday to sample water conditions. Along the way, they dodged partially submerged tree trunks — not always successfully — and skirted sprawling mats of grass and trash atop the water.,0,4488674.story

  117. “It just breaks your heart,” said William Goldsborough, senior fisheries scientist with the Chesapeake Bay Foundation, who made his own post-storm reconnaissance earlier this week. “It’s like a war zone out there. You can’t help but think we’ve just taken a big giant step backwards in the health of the bay.”

  118. Looks like Hillary and company turned into the new neo-cons ” they have extended and expanded bush’s interventionist policies in the middle east “

  119. I know the victory celebration already took place on obama’s big foreign policy success in Lybya ” but they might want to hold off on the high fives and popping the champaign corks ” who knows what the final outcome will be ” The rebel leaders already said that Lybya will be an Islamic state “although they did say a moderate Islamic state ” ok we”ll see

  120. A lone voice in the wilderness leading up to the vote on giving bush authority to go to war
    To bad Hillary wasn’t taking notes” coulda been president

  121. Hey Craig ” I watched Reagan library debate again ” Ron Paul confronted perry on the gardisal issue ” but didn’t bring up the campaign contribution” angle” so you are technically correct ” Bachmann was first to do that”Maybe if they woulda let him speak he could have got into the details

  122. Thanks for checking on that, mqw, i really wasn’t sure. The finance angle is so critical to me because it belies Perry’s pious claim that he was just trying to cure cancer.

  123. Ha, yes i am a skeptic, which i define as a broken-hearted idealist.

    It really irritates me when companies bribe politicians to make their products mandatory. The insurance industry led the way, and Merck tried to get in that game in Texas and elsewhere. Obama’s individual mandate for health insurance also gives me pause.

  124. Heck I dont trust any of them ” treat them like they do us ” guilty until proven innocent “

  125. I think the individual mandate clause is unconstitutional ” if the federal government can compel a private citizen to buy a product or service “then that gives it limitless power “A direct contradiction to constitution that was written to limit the power of the government ” good intentions or not
    But then again we have the “patriot act ” so I guess they assume they do have limitless powers

  126. “mqw says: I think the individual mandate clause is unconstitutional”

    mqw, i’m not pleased to say so but think I agree. As much as I appreciate the public good behind the mandate, the affront to liberty troubles me.

  127. mqw and craig, isn’t that the same argument the republicans had against social security’s inception?


    Bleak News on Health Insuranc

    Nearly one million more Americans went without health insurance in 2010 than in 2009. This distressing news is further evidence of the need for government safety net programs and the national health care reforms that will take effect mostly in 2014.

  129. Q. Should government ambulances respond to tend to people injured while improperly placing themselves in traffic lanes while begging for money to pay for their friends and relatives medical bills?

    Q. Should above beggars be jailed for impeding commerce?

  130. I didn’t watch the last Republican debate. I wonder if my senator, Jim DeMint watched?

  131. I’ve been re-thinking my “I should have voted for Hillary in the 2008 primaries” position.

    I don’t think it would have made a damn bit of difference.

    Hillary and Bill would have put the same crew in charge of the economy, would have made the same dirty deals with Wall Street.

  132. I didn’t accept gifts or favors where there was any hint or perception of a string attached. Never have.

    When someone with a city contract was attending the same conference as I was, and wanted to wine and dine Stinky and me, I picked-up the tab with my personal card. He was shocked.

    When I checked into a hotel on city business I gave them two credit cards–one for the city and one my own. Told them that only the room was to go on the city’s card. Everything else was to go on mine. They looked at me like I was stupid.

    When I took the senior staff out for a dinner at their choice of a restaurant while we were attending a conference, it was on my dime. Never in the history of the city…

    When Christmas gifts from people doing business with the city started appearing on my desk, they ended-up under the city Christmas tree for the junior employees.

    All this did not work to my benefit as those offering gifts wanted the receipient to be beholden. I was not what they bargained for.

  133. I believe the individual mandate is not only constitutional, it is sensible and essential to controlling healthcare costs.

    I don’t buy into the loss of liberty argument in any way, shape, or form. Liberty is lost when millions are overpaying for insurance and other millions lack coverage because of our horrible system.

    Hillary 2012…

  134. nash, hillary also would be faced with the necessity to reform the soc sec system.

    tony, speaking of that, when did the prez ever say he would “cut medicare and social security”? i’ve heard him talk fixing it, but i don’t think he meant like fixing a male pet. imo he and others may have in mind lifting the cap (which as jamie and aome economists have pointed would produce a 99% fix for the system’s future). putting the issue of its future up for discussion is not the same as saying he will okay cuts or abolishment.

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