So Long, Sean

Sean Holton

This morning our longtime Trail Mix pal Sean Holton, known here as Lardass Liberal, moved on to his next assignment.

A great journalist, friend and wit, he joins our other lost trail boss, Patsi Bale Cox. Both were so memorable on our pages that we’ll be quoting them along the way, or imagining what they would have to say about the latest news.

Our hearts go out to Sean’s fantastic siblings – Brian, Ellen, Kathleen and Tim – who cared for him these past 28 months of his fight against brain cancer with awe-inspiring love and dedication.

Sean’s Obituary

Sean’s family is hosting a Memorial Tribute 6-8pm, Saturday, December 10th, 2011 at the Baldwin-Fairchild Funeral Home – Ivanhoe Chapel – 301 N. E. Ivanhoe Blvd, Orlando, FL 32804

“Sean Holton Chronicled Death with a Writer’s Eye”
The Orlando Sentinel

203 thoughts on “So Long, Sean”

  1. Craig, I am so sorry for your loss, but I do thank you for bringing him to the trail.

    “I’ve heard it said
    that people come into our lives for a reason,
    bringing something we must learn,
    and we are led
    to those who help us most to grow
    if we let them, and we help them in return.
    Well, I don’t know if I believe that’s true,
    but I know I’m who I am today,because I knew you.
    And, because I knew you,
    Because I knew you I have been changed… for good.” ———From “Wicked,” the musical, “For Good”

    The day after I heard about Patsi, a song came on the car radio. It was a warm day, so I rolled down the windows & said, “C’mon, Patsi, let’s go for a ride.” Although I never met her, I really felt her presence. Tonight, we ride with Lard.

  2. Farewell Sean. Safe travels. You will be missed. May your family and friends find comfort in their memories of a wonderful man who shared their life.

    Home Is the Sailor

    Home is the sailor, home from sea:
    Her far-borne canvas furled
    The ship pours shining on the quay
    The plunder of the world.

    Home is the hunter from the hill:
    Fast in the boundless snare
    All flesh lies taken at his will
    And every fowl of air.

    ‘Tis evening on the moorland free,
    The starlit wave is still:
    Home is the sailor from the sea,
    The hunter from the hill.

    A. E. Houseman

  3. Craig…
    I’m so very sorry to hear about Sean. I always looked forward to his posts here and on his blog site. He is much loved by many… and no greater thing can a man leave behind.

    Sean, buddy… rest in peace… and say Hi to Patsi for us.

  4. Oh, Lard, you made the inevitable a demonstration of love and fortitude and grace and dignity and love and love…

  5. Devastating news. Sean was a talented, amazing man who lived life to the fullest. I will never forget him. Rest in peace, Sean.

  6. Craig

    You’ll find yourself in situations saying – ‘can’t wait to tell Sean’ don’t check yourself. Have that conversation – I guarantee he will answer.

    My heart breaks for you.

  7. I’ve been dreading this day. My heart breaks for Craig and David and Sean’s family. I entertained the fantasy that Sean’s bravado and fierce disregard for damned cancer would just scare it away and leave him be. It is comforting to think of Sean and Patsi sharing snoots and hoots, getting it all figured out for us. Sending my love and blessings to all y’all who are grieving today.

  8. With Patsi and Lard there, heaven’s no doubt a livelier place–

    happy trails to them both–

  9. David just summed up our feelings this morning: “Am thinking of Shirley MacLaine’s line in Terms of Endearment when Debra Winger’s character died: ‘Oh my God I’m so stupid. I thought when it finally happened I’d feel better…'”

  10. “It will feel better” will take some time, but the shared laughter will keep popping up at odd moments until it does – wild flowers blooming after a shower of tears.

  11. Sir, please accept my condolences to you, Mr. Holton’s family & friends.
    If the sum of a person’s life is judged by the love he left behind,then he was a very rich person indeed.
    What a wonderful legacy.

  12. My heart is breaking all over again. but you are right, heaven is busting some talent and personality right now. This season must be a HUGE season of change for all of us because it sure seems like its OUR turn for change all over.

    Luv you Craig….OK and all the rest of you too.

  13. Craig and all, my deepest sympathies. All of the above are beautiful, loving posts, I 2nd them all.

  14. I didn’t know Sean but the last time you posted his writing I was so amazed that I shared it with others including a very good friend who has brain cancer. I wish I could be even 1/4 as eloquent as Sean was. I am genuinely sad for everyone who knew him and loved him. He must have had an amazing family that so many siblings cared for him. Total familial love and it touched my heart.

    Maybe someday a collection of his essays could be published. And Craig, I understand he was your best friend and I am also hoping you are ok.

    Best to all,


  15. Damn, towo good ones gone in such a short time – and just when we need more good ones here….Oh, well, I guess all the good ones go too soon. Lard, buddy, I hope this part of the journey is more pleasurable than the last leg of it was.

  16. Craig,

    I said my goodbye to lardass a few threads ago, and will leave it at that.

    But KGC is absolutely right about having those conversations with him. I still have them with my Sister Maria, she was my best friend …..she had Leukemia when she passed away…until the very last, she was gracious, generous, and charming to those around her..not one complaint about her own suffering.

    I always wanted Patsi to know her b/c they were so much alike…now that they are friends….they can welcome Sean together..I know that he will love them both…Cept when Maria is mad…watch out Lardo..she has a wicked left hook….later compadre

  17. Adios, dear Sean. I am glad you are not hurting anymore…you have given more than you took this time around.


  18. Craig… let me echo KGC…
    not only will you continue to have conversations with Sean, but the tears will crop up in unexpected places and ways. Don’t fight it… let them flow.

    My prayers are with you too today.

  19. You, my Trail Mix friends, are all so eloquent. I’m not. I just hurt, even though we’ve all been hurting all along. I miss knowing that Lard is here, that he simply shares this plane of existence with us. But I’m glad he’s no longer hurting. Isn’t it amazing how Lard and Patsi will live in our memories, though most of us met them only through their words on this screen? That takes something…someone…very special.

    I’m sad for you, Craig. And for David, and for all of Sean’s family. You are all in my thoughts.

  20. Very sorry for your loss Craig…and may I echo the sentiments expressed above….You have provided
    a wonderful place for some really unique people to meet, so amid the sadness, thanks for letting us know
    Sean, as well as all who gather here…

  21. Had to go find this…for Lard….

    “You are amazing grace.
    You are a precious jewel.
    You—special, miraculous, unrepeatable, fragile, fearful, tender, lost, sparkling ruby emerald jewel rainbow splendor person.”
    —Joan Baez

  22. My heart goes out to you and the family. Thank you for sharing him with us. He was an amazing human being. It is evident by all the love shown here that his spirit.
    lives on and is with us. Safe be the journey.

  23. I am so sorry about Sean. Some thoughts…He was an inspiration in how he dealt with his brain cancer. He was a journalist. Like all the best journalists he had a curiosity about everything, and his cancer and treatments were no exception. He seemed to maintain his dignity through a dispassionate, almost scientific approach. He demonstrated the quiet heroism of a common man, who, in the face of overwhelming adversity, maintains his humor and his passion for life. Lardass…we will miss you.

  24. I extend my regards to those who knew and loved Sean.

    This blog has been my source of knowing him.

    He obviously was a justifiable recipient of much love and friendship.

    His impact on others will be an important part of his legacy.

  25. Sean’s family is hosting a Memorial Tribute 6-8pm, Saturday, December 10th, 2011 at the Baldwin-Fairchild Funeral Home – Ivanhoe Chapel – 301 N. E. Ivanhoe Blvd, Orlando, FL 32804

  26. Sean’s obituary noted that “thousands” of people followed his blog about the cancer treatments and the progress of the disease. That’s not a bad way to go.

    But 52 is too young.

  27. BTW, do not feel obligated to stay on topic in this thread. Sean would want us to carry on with our usual festivities chattering about news of the day

  28. I’m sorry for your loss, Craig. I’m sure than Sean is in a better place. RIP Sean.

  29. Daughter Toots turned 50 yesterday. Being the kind old dad that I am, I presented her present on Saturday when she was over at the house, letting yesterday going unspoilt by mention of the new mill stone in her chronology.

    She was thrilled with her gift–one of those fancy turntables that creates fancy modern media from ancient vinyl

  30. Shakespeare put words in Antony’s mouth that also speak of Lardass Liberal Sean :

    “His life was gentle, and the elements
    So mix’d in him that Nature might stand up
    And say to all the world, “This was a man!”

    He was a blessing to us all.

  31. Craig

    I would try to post something off topic but it all seems so trivial right now.

    As to you Mr Liberal Lardass, well everybody here has been far more eloquent than I am, but I dearly hope there is Jamesons in the here after for you, also, some crooked /stupid politicians to irritate you, and good stories to keep you interested.


  32. There is nothing I could say that has not already been said by all here.

    So sorry for your loss Craig and for Sean’s family also. May Sean’s soul and spirit ride the winds and spread his love of life everywhere.

    God speed Sean and may you find peace and happiness in Heaven.

  33. I feel the winds of God today
    Today my sail I lift
    Though heavy oft with drenching spray
    And torn with many a rift
    If hope but light the water’s crest
    And Christ my bark will use
    I’ll sail the seas at His behest
    And brave another cruise
    It is the wind of God that dries
    My vain regretful tears
    Until with braver thoughts shall rise
    The purer, brighter years
    If cast on shores of selfish ease
    Or pleasure I should be
    Lord, let me fell thy freshening breeze
    And I’ll pull out to sea.

    My own words fail me.

  34. I don’t know whether to recommend pouring the last jug of Jameson’s over Sean’s grave or ashes , or just draining the bottle yourself.
    I really got a kick out of Sean’s posts…I didn’t know a damn thing about him when he posted as Lardass Liberal and regaled us with pictures and tales of Kaley and Chopper.
    By life’s end-journey, I knew a helluva lot about him, all due to the community and postings here at Trail Mix.
    Jesus Christ…Patrice O’Neal died today, just 41. His world was stand-up comedy and guesting on TV and radio shows.
    My wife’s church mentor died Sunday, age 92. Another blogger-pal’s mother-in-law died two hours ago. My cousin died last month, age 71.
    So enough already.
    Sean, wherever you are, you were a great blogger buddy, and we all know what those who knew you personally thought of you. So long.

  35. Herman Cain is just up the road at Hillsdale College. That place is a bastion of right-wing thinking, with a heavy dose of literal Bible meanings thrown in. I think I’ll pass.

    He’s coming to Ohio tomorrow…somewhere near Cincinnati I think I heard. Maybe…nah. Just Kidding 😛

  36. David here…I registered as DaveB. Craig reminded me that Sean once told me calling myself “Dave” would be a good career move!

  37. Bowmanc, we’re planning an April “release” of Sean’s ashes designated for Gloucester MA, Cressy Beach, probably sunset Sunday April 29. Will keep you posted on the exact details but that’s what we’re planning right now. Thanks

  38. Oh man, what a loss..So many great tributes to Sean so there’s not much else to say other than, Craig and David so sorry for your loss..

  39. My condolences Craig. I always found LAL’s posts to be interesting and thought provoking. I saw that one of his last requests was to release his ashes in MA. Please let us know when that might happen. Although I only knew him through the vapors of the internet, if possible, I would like to be present when you fulfill his final request. Bowmanc.

  40. David (aka Dave) Good to see you even if the cause is a sad one. Hope you will try to visit a little more often.

  41. Hi David,
    Nice to see you! Sorry for the terrible loss..Come around sometime cause it would be great to hear from you..

  42. I had posted last night after hearing Sean was resting comfortably concerning a few blasts here in Las Cruces. Nothing in the news…but, plenty of humans came out of their houses and the dogs could not keep quiet. We still think they are the ‘bunker busters’ being tested at White Sands along with the raptor sonic booms from Holloman — the military has been very active since the autumn. Look-out Iran.

  43. Obama’s Job Approval Drops Below Carter’s
    by Paul Bedard

    President Obama’s slow ride down Gallup’s daily presidential job approval index has finally passed below Jimmy Carter, earning Obama the worst job approval rating of any president at this stage of his term in modern political history.

    Since March, Obama’s job approval rating has hovered above Carter’s, considered among the 20th century’s worst presidents, but today Obama’s punctured Carter’s dismal job approval line. On their comparison chart, Gallup put Obama’s job approval rating at 43 percent compared to Carter’s 51 percent.

  44. Hi Tony…we were here last night when we did get the first word of the incredible human, Sean, beginning his journey of passing to the other side. I know you know of that most important human event from your Mother. Since the beginning of time, humans like many other animals, celebrate life at its ending. It is a very complex emotion…scary and loving, but raw…time eventually ripens the emotion into a fermented drunken realization of how much we all really care about each other.

  45. BW,
    What a beautiful post..Yep, my mom was so graceful in the face of cancer! Sean, damn, 52, my mom was 62 and that was terrible..Its always a terrible loss..My best friend and the first guy i loved Lorenzo Jones was 42, thyroid cancer..Damn, to many good people gone..

  46. Oh Blondie, this side show is just ova the top! Damn, ha, at least Grace has never told me how brilliant Perry is..Now Herman Cain, yep, Grace said he was brilliant a couple months ago! Shocker, what passes for brilliance with Republican’s continues to amaze me..

  47. Drat…I burned my 46 course dinner with wine…popcorn smelling-up the whole house!

  48. Craig, I offer my heartfelt condolences to you and all of the Trail Mix crew for the transition of your dear friend and comrade.

  49. It.s nice to see all the old time Trail Hands, like Pogo, Bowmanc, Mimi, Corey, and Tylenol.

    Please, don’t stay away so much.

    And while you’re here, click on an ad.

  50. BIRTH

    Why is it that we rejoice at a birth and grieve at a funeral? It is because we are not the person involved.
    – Pudd’nhead Wilson

    Happy Birthday Remembrance
    MARK TWAIN has a birthday today.

  51. DaveB…hey! It worked for Dave Letterman…kinda…I guess not. Most still call him David as well. Off track, but my older brother was a Ball State University classmate of David Letterman. Dave was a BMOC…my brother was a lead guitarist in a campus band….yawn…

  52. I lit a candle for Sean this morning.

    Not surprisingly,his light still glows, and will continue to do so.

  53. 1. Besides being an ignoramus and a fool, cain is a scratch. No one has ever won a nomination in the middle of a divorce case.
    2. willard is bleeding : down to 23% from a peak of 28%. He is thinking of giving his campaign a jump start by converting to Sudden Baptist.
    3. The former shoe-in front runner (if you believed the main spring mouija), know nothing governor prettyboy perry, can’t count to 3, yet he still brags about mastering the US budget. Diagnosis : fool’s gold.
    4. nudie is in the ass-end-ent, and will be until someone jokes that he’s only married because it is a prerequisite for practicing adultery.
    5. In his home state, Sanctum Sanctorum is running way behind oh,bummer. Dead man talking.
    6. wrong pol proudly continues the Islamofascist work of osama bin laden, and promotes every state’s right to choose abortion.
    7. Soon to be former everything, Jon Huntsman, leads the field in the race to become permanently unemployable.
    8. michele bachmann continues her struggle to replace citizen voting with a blue ribbon panel of dominionist adepts.
    9. The dumb, old, Hollywood style New Yorker Red Hairball is telling everyone that if he had really wanted to be the prez, he’d already have been elected – cuz that’s how popular he is with the viewers, fashion designers, and Julie Annie. He’d have already been impeached and removed, too.
    10. haley barbourbon thinks he may have gotten out of the race too soon. He thinks that if he jumps back in, he can blame his stupid move on bad advice he got from the likely voters.
    11. Former person Potholes Aplenty is contemplating escaping from Siburbia, and returning to the race as the unanimous pick for next front runner of the main spring mouija. All he has to do is convince the mouija that he has the right stuff. If they believe him, he’ll also try to sell them a slightly used bridge. HAHAHA
    12 & 13 Late last year mourning joe and lou dobbs talked about throwing their toupees into the ring, but so far we haven’t seen hide nor hair.
    Diagnosis : the republican Party is severly constipated. It may require the surgical removal of its present candidates, and the insertion of a prosthetic front runner extruded from coal tar derivitives and formed by super heated gas : fred thompson.

  54. “Sean Holton Chronicled Death with a Writer’s Eye”
    – The Orlando Sentinel

    Nah. Sean chronicled Life, with a writer’s eye on the Big Clock.

  55. The Pizza Pimp wasn’t thinking about dropping out..he was reassessing his campaign strategery. Apparently when he was outed as a serial sexual harasser he was able to raise a lot of money (for him.) I guess the re-assessed strategy for fundraising includes lying about charges he is an immoral git.

  56. Line Grows Long for Free Meals at U.S. Schools

    Millions of American schoolchildren are receiving free or low-cost meals for the first time as their parents, many once solidly middle class, have lost jobs or homes during the economic crisis, qualifying their families for the decades-old safety-net program.

    The number of students receiving subsidized lunches rose to 21 million last school year from 18 million in 2006-7, a 17 percent increase, according to an analysis by The New York Times of data from the Department of Agriculture, which administers the meals program. Eleven states, including Florida, Nevada, New Jersey and Tennessee, had four-year increases of 25 percent or more, huge shifts in a vast program long characterized by incremental growth.

  57. “Horses could soon be butchered in the U.S. for human consumption after Congress quietly lifted a 5-year-old ban on funding horse meat inspections…

    “Congress lifted the ban in a spending bill President Obama signed into law Nov. 18 to keep the government afloat until mid-December…

    “It did not, however, allocate any new money to pay for horse meat inspections, which opponents claim could cost taxpayers $3 million to $5 million a year. The U.S. Department of Agriculture would have to find the money in its existing budget.”

  58. Obama Is Facing a Replay of ’08 Hurdles in ‘Hillary Country,’ Pa.

    SCRANTON, Pa. — It was trivia night at Kildare’s bar here, and among the teams competing was a group of history teachers from Scranton High School. They easily won the round that tested their knowledge of American presidents, including that the last one with facial hair was William Howard Taft.

    Brian Harrity, 33, who teaches world and early American history, said he had supported Hillary Rodham Clinton in the state’s Democratic primary in 2008 over Barack Obama, and then Mr. Obama in November over the Republican, Senator John McCain.

    But during the last three years, Mr. Harrity said, Mr. Obama has not taken full advantage of the powers of the presidency to “get things done,” which means, in Mr. Harrity’s view, that he has not put the economy back on track or created more jobs.

    “I’m heavily Democratic,” Mr. Harrity said. “But if the right Republican came along, I would be open to voting for him.”

    This is a common refrain here in what is still called “Hillary Country,” where Mrs. Clinton’s family roots run deep and 75 percent of Democratic primary voters backed her failed bid for the Democratic nomination in 2008.

  59. Newt is trying to court voters by calling himself an uber-rich celebrity???

    “I’m going to be really direct, OK? I was charging $60,000 a speech. And the number of speeches was going up, not down. Normally, celebrities leave and they gradually sell fewer speeches every year. We were selling more.”

    It costs $60K to get him to speak and double that amount to shut up, right?

  60. I’ll bet Fred Thompson is starting to look pretty good to a lot of goopers

    If Nudie could do it why can’t Rick Perry make a comeback or does he have to commit a sexual mistake as opposed to merely being a racist

  61. Look at this:

    A problem

    “Line Grows Long for Free Meals at U.S. Schools”

    A solution

    “Horses could soon be butchered in the U.S. for human consumption after Congress quietly lifted a 5-year-old ban on funding horse meat inspections…”

    And you folks keep harping on the do nothing Congress……..


  62. How Stupid are Senate Republicans?
    by Taylor Marsh

    Republicans are evidently going to give in on extending the payroll tax break, but they still won’t budge on a surtax on millionaires, after the first million?

    Do these people not see what’s happening in the Occupy movement?

    From CNN, some details, which Lawrence O’Donnell also talked about tonight.

  63. KGC
    I saw Fred selling reverse mortgages this morning, so it looks like he is needing the work.

    He is just not very good. His whole body language is buy this cause like me you are damn near dead.


  64. I noticed that Sean requested to have his ashes spread in 3 places one of them being the home where he grew up in Independence. If that home is now occuppied by strangers, as most old family homes tend to be, It could make a good Sienfeld episode.


  65. Progressives don’t hate ourselves
    Katrina vanden Heuvel

    Writing in New York magazine, Jonathan Chait joins the chorus of Obama advocates decrying “self-loathing liberals” who criticize the president. Chait writes better than most, but he hews to the common theme that criticism of Obama isn’t justified by reality but instead reflects either political naivete or psychological imbalance. The argument gets it wrong, distorting the politics of the left and the realities of the country.

    Chait admits that some “complaints [about Obama] are right,” but that isn’t why liberals are so depressed. Instead, liberals “are incapable of feeling satisfied with a Democratic president,” unlike conservatives, whose disappointment “is neither as incessant nor as pervasively depressed as the liberal variety.”

  66. Well if not Fred…who could be waiting in the wings
    What about Rudy?????? I think I hear a cell phone ringing

    And really if what the goopers like is sheer gaul based on ignorance with a soupcon of sexual predator why not Truck Frump he has it all — of course he would need to develop a thicker skin and give up the birther nonsense for good

  67. I’d like to attend as well. Good thing it’s a while away cos the lineup for passports is slow-moving. Kinda like the DMV. :)

  68. My Man Newt

    “In many ways, Newt is the perfect man.

    He knows how to buy good jewelry. He puts his wife ahead of his campaign. He’s so in touch with his feelings that he would rather close the entire federal government than keep his emotions bottled up. He’s confident enough to include a steamy sex scene in a novel. He understands that Paul Revere was warning about the British.

    Mitt Romney is a phony with gobs of hair gel. Newt Gingrich is a phony with gobs of historical grandiosity.

    The 68-year-old has compared himself to Charles de Gaulle. He has noted nonchalantly: “People like me are what stand between us and Auschwitz.” As speaker, he liked to tell reporters he was a World Historical Transformational Figure.”

  69. “…They easily won the round that tested their knowledge of American presidents, including that the last one with facial hair was William Howard Taft…” Tony@0755

    We don’t care about a president with facial hair. We want a man or woman with, colloquially speaking, balls.

  70. C-Joe,

    I felt this about him…but couldn’t put it into words a well as you did….thanks.

    I think that this is why people like Lardass have the depth that makes them great at what they do: They don’t limit them selves.

    Forgot where I read (wrote it down) that Leonardo da Vinci walked around with paper and pen (hope it leaked on him :))) tied around his waist and wrote how to improve or invent…when asked what interested him….”anything and everything”.

    I would like it if we taught science and religion side by side, this would be only one a cpl of reasons that I would not teach home school…let every individual compare the both, and find out what are myths, and what are truths:

    “I have one longing: to grasp what is hidden behind appearances, to ferret out that mystery which brings me to birth and then kills me”, to discover if behind the visible and unceasing stream of the world an invisible and immutable presence is hiding”

    _Nikos Kazantzakis

    “Thus he who has raised himself above the alms-basket, and, not content to live lazily on scraps of begged opinions, sets his own thought on work, to find and follow truth, will ( whatever he lights on) not miss the hunters satisfaction; every moment of his pursuit will reward his pains with some delight; and he will have reason to think his time not ill spent, even when he cannot much boast of any great acquisition.”

    _John Locke

    ps, sometimes when I get lazy…I look at these, and a few others……later

  71. “I guess we aren’t mad at the French any more” Katherine@0802

    Just doing our part to bolster the ECB. La raison du plus fort est toujours la meilleure.

  72. Solar…
    Nikos Kazantzakis is one of my all time favorite writers. IMO, Zorba the Greek and The Last Temptation of Christ should be must reading for all college graduates.

  73. geez… after reading Tony’s post quoting Dowd on Newt… methinks I’m beginning to see KGC’s point of view more clearly now… watching this Gopp field is kinda fun…

    KGC… pass the popcorn please…

    Jack… your 8:11 post… priceless

  74. When Alice died, this wonderful group gave me so much love and support that I, in turn, was able to embrace four generations of my family providing the comfort they needed. I am in awe of you all.

  75. Has anyone seen the Constitution lately? Habeas Corpus now suspended thanks to the following 61 Senators:

    Ayotte (R-NH)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Boozman (R-AR)
    Brown (R-MA)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coats (R-IN)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hagan (D-NC)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (ID-CT)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Manchin (D-WV)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Moran (R-KS)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shaheen (D-NH)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wicker (R-MS)

  76. Since Occupy xxx has been pepper-sprayed from the face of the Earth until spring…

    “Longkong is controlled by a shell company in Hong Kong, with little more than a mailing address.
    That company is owned by another holding company in the British Virgin Islands, which in turn is owned by Long Fortune Valley Tourism Intl Ltd…helped by Dallas-based Halter Financial Group to obtain a U.S. listing in October 2010 by merging Long Fortune into BTHC XV, a Delaware holding company born in 2003 when Halter bought out a bankrupt nursing home chain.”

    “…Halter, who made a name for himself as a guru specializing in Chinese backdoor listings, but who has been distancing himself from the industry in the recent months that the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission has started taking a closer look at some of the backdoor mergers.”

  77. Jamie…

    And everyone of those Democrats who voted in support of this Amendment should be voted out of office. They are all Traitors and should be shot on sight.

    Or like in a movie I saw “Be Exterminated with Extreme Prejudice”.

    So when will you believe that we are a Fascist Nazi Country?

    So now we will see if Obama veto’s this bill or if he is bought and paid for as well as the rest of Our Government is.

    I pray he does veto it or we are all doomed and the Constitution is indeed dead.

  78. Zorba was amazing. However, when I picked up The Last Temptation, I couldn’t get past “The sun rose like an overripe grape”. Maybe that’s a misquote, but it’s pretty close. Maybe it was better in Greek. Anyway, Zorba was far the superior. Imo.

    Zorba portrayed the elements that combine to make Greece both a failed state and a brutal, amoral society. He portrayed Greeks the way Erskine Caldwell portrayed rural Georgians. I’m thinking especially of the feckless drunk Zorba, with his ideas about the proper way to mine lignite, oppress the miners, and seduce women. Not to leave the ‘civilizing elements’ out, Kazantzakis portrayed the crones of the town as hovering near the home of the sick old courtesan like vultures or ravens. Of the Greek worker Zorba says, “If you’re cruel to him, he respects and fears you. If you’re kind to him, he plucks your eyes out”. Nice. When the sick woman dies, the crones descend and steal everything to the bare walls, even pillaging the cadaver of its rings and clothing. Nice. When the mine business collapses, ruining the young intellectual financially, Zorba laughs it off, and goes for another drink. Nice. This is Tobacco Road with cyan waters and cerulean skies. I’m surprised that the junta didn’t dig Kazantzakis up and execute him for being anti-Greek.

  79. Strictly speaking, Habeas Corpus is not in the Constitution. Rather it has been enshrined in tradition for more than two centuries as one of the essential elements of ‘due process’, borrowed from English law.

    fat tony will tell you that Habeas Corpus never entered the thoughts of James Madison or any other Original American.

  80. Mr Paranoid,

    Sorry, it’s hard too hard to picture Daniel Inouye and Carl Levin as fascist nazis.

    In order to see Inouye and Levin as goose-stepping, sieg-heiling, 8 foot tall, blue-eyed, horned helmet-wearing, broadax-swinging, Air Yams, shoveling ‘lesser peoples’ into mass graves, I have to make my gray cells perform acrobatic stunts that hurt my head.

  81. xrep….
    yeah…. but….

    as Cindi Lauper once said… Greeks just wanna have fun…

  82. Newt Gingrich, $100 Million Man with a Lobbyist’s Touch
    by Taylor Marsh

    Is it ignorance, willful blindness or abject hypocrisy that is driving Republicans primary voters to go from alleged sexual harasser and philanderer Herman Cain to serial cheater and wife dropper Newt Gingrich?

    A man who was having his own adulterous affair at the time he began hunting William Jefferson Clinton for a stupid consensual affair that would have brought down his presidency, except for Hillary running Democratic Party interference.

    A man who claims not to ever flip flop but has gone from sitting on a couch with Nancy Pelosi in a climate change ad paid for by Al Gore to his address on K-Street where he made over $100 million dollars in Newt, Inc. to being paid millions by Freddie Mac to being a lobbyist, while lying about the title if not the deeds he performed.

    Watching Republican primary voters whipsaw from candidate to candidate this year has been one of the most amusing things I’ve seen in politics since I started paying attention through my big brother when I was a kid.

  83. Strange world , when I’m in agreement with anon p,
    Except for the Nazism stuff , course we can put an American name to our police state ,
    Obamaism is what I’m going to call it

  84. Still there is an understanding of unreasonable seizure which one would think might include your body as well as possessions not to mention that whole “speedy trial” thing. You can’t very well try someone you haven’t produced and charged. I find British common law to be fairly admirable even if the Right Wing doesn’t like all those laws from furriners.

  85. I’m starting to think Huntsman may just be an intelligent, decent and honest man. Proof positive: The Wingers won’t vote for him.

  86. “Obamaism is what I’m going to call it”

    And why would you call it that?

  87. Mark Twain and Winston Churchill, both born on November 30.
    Boy would I love to sit down to dinner with those two. 😉



    Okay, maybe not Nazi’s, but definitely Fascist.

    How do you think this removal of Habeas Corpus will be used against? A Republican President will declare those who protest against them as enemy combatants and have them arrested under the Patriot Act and held indefinitely.

    And yes its not in the Constitution, however it does go back to the Magna Carta and has long been a established means to defend oneself from unlawful, illegal detention without a proper hearing.

    Obama said he would veto the bill if it came before him. Now lets see if he does.

    Of course the Republicans will accuse him of not supporting the troops since this is attached to the DOD Authorization Bill for next year.

    As to the #OWS movement, there is no where in the Constitution that says one must have a permit to assemble freely to bring the peoples grievances to the Government or any mention of time to do so or the length of time to do so.

    We are seeing the same reaction to those protesting on our streets that we have seen all throughout the Arab Nations since the Arab Spring began. The only difference at the moment is that the Government has not killed anyone yet. And as the movement continues to grow it is more likely than not that they will openly fire on American Citizens and kill them like they did at Kent State and at other times and places.

    Our Country is in serious trouble and one day there will no longer be elections if we don’t speak out now and speak out loudly enough.

    Alright, end of rant. You may now go back to your regularly scheduled program.

    Have a nice day.

  89. Regarding Herman Cain…I give you this from actress Leslie Bibb on Twitter: “I don’t mind if a presidential candidate had extramarital affairs. I do however mind if he is an idiot.”

  90. Craig…

    Got your email. Not sure if I can make it or not. Will see what comes up during the week.

    Once again I’m sorry for your and David’s loss of a great friend and my deepest condolences to Sean’s family and friends as well.

    Have a great day.

  91. MQW,
    Calling the American fascist course Obamaism is pretty strange considering that all but one of the republican Senators voted to end our Right to Habeas Corpus, and further considering that the White House is threatening to veto it.

    That would kinda be like calling the Rosary mmovement Lutheranism, wouldn’t it ?

  92. The Wallflowers and Jordan Zevon – Lawyers Guns and Money


  93. Mr. Paranoid,

    I agree with the alarm in your rant, I just don’t agree that it is nazism. It’s more like junta-ism, banana republicanism, or maybe even tojoism. The fact that it doesn’t give civilian authorities the “right” to ‘disappear’ people into mass graves under soccer stadia, prevents it from being fascism.

    I’m going to pray that Obama vetoes it. I will caucus against him this Spring if he doesn’t.

  94. Strange, WordPress told me to slow down i was posting to quickly, say what??

    I agree. I had that conversation today with Grace and she told me the reason i like Huntsman is he’s more of a Democrat than a Republican..Hell no she won’t vote for him, Newt is her flavor of the month..When its Romney she will fall in line as her STRONG dislike of Obama will get the best of her..

  95. In New Mexico, the fascist pigs are out to give Albuquerque’s public media to a republican PR firm, and put an end to independent reporting and production.

  96. We could call this strident republican movement toward military dictatorship T-ism. T for tea party. T for totalitarian. T for terror.

  97. Obamaism is what I’m going to call it

    Why? I wish you would come around and explain your statement..Police state? I remember when Glenn Beck said the Obama militia would be coming to our doors, surely your not in his camp???

  98. Huntsman has a consistently conservative record. He’s from Utah for goodness sake. Certainly a better record from their point of view than either Romney or Newt. You have to wonder what spiel these idiots are swallowing whole. It’s insane. About the only area where he goes off the knee jerk message is on Global Warming and even the US Army is installing solar panels on military housing.

  99. So true, really he is the most consistent conservative..Hell, someone who thinks Newt would be a good president, nah, she will never come around..

  100. Some sick political humor

    A driver was stuck in a traffic jam on the highway outside Washington DC. Nothing was moving.

    Suddenly, a man knocks on the window.

    The driver rolls down the window and asks, “What’s going on?”

    “Terrorists have kidnapped Congress, and they’re asking for a $100 million dollar ransom. Otherwise, they are going to douse them all in gasoline and set them on fire. We are going from car to car, collecting donations.”

    “How much is everyone giving, on average?” the driver asks.

    The man replies, “Roughly, a gallon.”

  101. Dave is so much funnier than Leno. I love it when he interviews Republican presidential candidates and doesn’t let them off the hook when they get caught being illogical.

  102. I was crying over Monarch butterflies tonight before I saw this news. I saw 1 this fall .

  103. Actually this is a great time to die. Because “Hell is coming to breakfast”.

    Craig …….. Your old friend, became my new friend. A large gift in the mind of man.

  104. Actually this is a great time to die. Because “Hell is coming to breakfast”.

    In 2010, a heatwave in Russia and Ukraine sparked a rise of 60 to 80 percent in international wheat prices between July and September.

    By April 2011, wheat prices were 85 percent higher on international markets than the year before, Oxfam said.

    In July 2011, the price of sorghum was 393 percent higher in Somalia, while corn (maize) in Ethiopia and Kenya was up to 191 and 161 percent higher respectively compared with the five-year average, reflecting the impact of drought in the Horn of Africa.

    Rainstorms and typhoons in Southeast Asia, meanwhile, have driven up the price of rice in Thailand and Vietnam. In September and October, the cost of this staple was 25-30 percent higher there than a year earlier.

    And a major drought in Afghanistan helped push up wheat and wheat flour prices there to 79 percent higher this July than the previous year.

  105. And a major drought in Afghanistan helped push up wheat and wheat flour prices there to 79 percent higher this July than the previous year.

    The Afghans eat wheat , unlike most people is South Asia, who eat rice. But what can the Afghans grow ? Poppies , they use 75% less water than wheat.

  106. The Great Texas-Mexican drought –

    A drought has dried up even drinking water supplies for an estimated 2.5 million people in more than 1,500 small communities in northern Mexico.

    The lack of rainfall has affected almost 70 percent of the country and northern states like Coahuila, San Luis Potosi, Sonora, Tamaulipas and Zacatecas have suffered the most acute water shortage.

    Due to the drought and a cold snap at the start of the year, the government has cut its forecast for corn production two times in 2011. It now expects a harvest of 20 million tonnes compared to a previous estimate of 23 million.

    Crops that cover tens of thousands of acres have been lost this year and roughly 450,000 cattle have died in arid pastures. Crucial dams, typically full at this time of year, are at 30 to 40 percent of capacity.

  107. What were once late night rants here, are now millions of people on the move.

  108. Editor’s note: Of the world’s 50,000 edible plant species, only a few hundred find their way to menus around the globe. Of those, just three — rice, wheat and maize — make up two-thirds of the human food supply.

  109. Old Sea –

    FEATURE-Increasingly erratic climate menaces Africa’s cocoa | Reuters

    “It’s much hotter than it used to be, even two decades ago,” said 71-year old cocoa planter Souleymane Drabre on his three hectare plantation in Ivory Coast, a country feeding a third of the world market.That wouldn’t matter if the cocoa tree was less sensitive, but yields suffer without the right mix of rain and sun at the appropriate times.

    “Production has definitely gone down. Because of the heat, the trees die. I used to get almost two tonnes out of my three hectares, now I’m lucky if I get a tonne,” Drabre said, poking a shrivelled pod on his farm in Abengourou, near the Ghana border.

  110. JAMIE, you awake? Our fave author David Sedaris in on with Craig Ferguson in about an hour for you….
    The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson
    Author David Sedaris ,

  111. And now the really bad news –

    New research shows the Southern Ocean is storing more heat than any other ocean in the world.

    The study, carried out by Tasmania’s Antarctic Climate and Ecosystem centre, has found that carbon dioxide levels in the Southern Ocean will be corrosive to some shellfish by 2030 if current trends continue.

    Scientists say deep moving currents around Antarctica are the reason why the Southern Ocean is warming faster than other oceans.

    “The Southern Ocean occupies about 22 per cent of the area of the total ocean, and yet it absorbs about 40 per cent of the carbon dioxide that’s stored by the ocean and about half the heat that’s stored by the ocean,” climate scientist Steve Rintoul says.

    Dr Rintoul says the warming extends for four kilometres, from the ocean surface to the sea floor.

    Permafrost –

    Usually the first few to several inches of permafrost thaw in the summer, but scientists are now looking at up to 10 feet of soft unfrozen ground because of warmer temperatures, he said. The gases come from decaying plants that have been stuck below frozen ground for millennia.

    In a recent video, University of Alaska Fairbanks professor Katey Walter Anthony, a study co-author, is shown setting leaking methane gas on fire with flames shooting far above her head.

    “Places like that are all around,” Anthony said in a phone interview. “We’re tapping into old carbon that has been locked up in the ground for 30,000 to 40,000 years.”

  112. Corey
    Did she really say that? lol, That is dumb even for a congress critter


  113. Michelle Bachman sounds as if she’s got a REAL plan as far as foreign policy goes. If she is elected President, the first thing she will do is close the US embassy in Iran!

  114. Slice the Demographics Any Way You Want, But Obama Is In Trouble
    William Galston

    Demography shapes political orientations, of course. But so do events. And this is especially true for voters who don’t enter the political arena with well-established views and habits. While there’s good reason to believe that today’s young adults will remain more comfortable with diversity—of race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation—than are their parents and grandparents, there’s no guarantee that this will translate into a liberal or pro-government orientation across the board. A thought-experiment: Suppose a Republican were to win the presidency in 2012, implemented a broadly conservative economic agenda, and that after four years the job market for young adults had improved substantially. Is it plausible that this scenario would have no impact on their long-term political orientation?

  115. China’s Superior Economic Model
    The free-market fundamentalist economic model is being thrown onto the trash heap of history.
    Andy Stern

    Andy Grove, the founder and chairman of Intel, provocatively wrote in Businessweek last year that, “Our fundamental economic beliefs, which we have elevated from a conviction based on observation to an unquestioned truism, is that the free market is the best of all economic systems—the freer the better. Our generation has seen the decisive victory of free-market principles over planned economies. So we stick with this belief largely oblivious to emerging evidence that while free markets beat planned economies, there may be room for a modification that is even better.”

  116. Why do these ‘people’ on teevee insist on sitting on those folding bar stools when all they do is cause discomfort and worse?

  117. Monday is Stinky’s 75th. Beyond a gentle hug, I’m at a loss as what to give her. She claims, vociferously, that she wants nothing.

  118. That’s weird, my comment to Corey shows up 3 hrs before he posted it, rather than one hour after. I was not up at 3 am posting stuff nor do I have some special talent to predict the future.


  119. Did anybody notice the total collapse of the world banking system yesterday?

    Thats cause, thanks to the Fed and other central banks , it didn’t happen. The Fed is one of those institutions that you only notice when they screw up. When they save the world, things chug along as always and nobody notices.

    Yesterday was a day that demonstrates that Ron Paul is a idiot.


  120. If anyone thinks that major ‘American’ businesses are demanding free-markets, they’re smoking the wrong kind of cigarettes

  121. They are looking for competitive advantage. If that occurs at the detriment of Americans, so be it.

  122. Barbara Walters needs to go
    today she said that Nudie’s only baggage was his personal infidelities – and that what the country needed was his expertise.

    Nudie’s personal issues are the least of his problems

  123. Jack… this happened to me yesterday. I emailed Craig and he said it happened to him too the other day and he doesn’t know what is causing it. It only happened once and the rest of my posts were fine.

    I solved the problem by copying and pasting the post in another comment. Then I deleted the post that was in the wrong time.

  124. It looks like the GOP is going to nominate Gingrich. Yes, he’s corrupt, yes he’s a flip-flopper, but they don’t really care about that.

    Newt is quite willing to give voice to extreme right wing rhetoric and (this is important) he’s crazy enough to actually try to implement some of the extreme right wing agenda items. (Get rid of: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, unemployment compensation, labor unions, civil rights legislation, environmental protection laws, a woman’s right to choose, public campaign financing, progressive taxation, etc.)

    The GOP is inflamed by all sorts of irrational, contradictory, and ultimately self-destructive ideas. But they are filled with hate for “the ways things are,” and they want RADICAL change.

    Newt is their guy.

    But he hasn’t really got a chance against Obama because only 30% of the electorate is bat-shit crazy.

  125. “The Republican Governors Association met this week in Florida to give GOP state…Frank Luntz, a Republican strategist and one of the nation’s foremost experts on crafting the perfect political message…”

    a) He’s not “afraid” of OWS, he’s trying to ramp up fear in others.

    b) Nobody outside of his party is stupid enough to think others will actually buy into his newspeak lingo.

    A turd still stinks, even if you call it apple pie…and Frank Luntz knows turds.

  126. Ron Paul Right Again On the Unchecked Power of the Federal Reserve
    By Richard A. Viguerie | 12/1/11
    Ron Paul has been proven right again by the unelected bureaucrats at the Federal Reserve Bank.  This week the Fed’s latest intervention in the global economy made it cheaper for Europe to borrow dollars, thereby propping-up Europe’s tottering banks and left-wing economies such as Greece – but at the cost of further inflating the dollar and depressing interest rates for American savers.

    Unsurprisingly, the stock market surged almost 500 points on the news that it would be cheaper for Europeans to borrow dollars, but how this helps American taxpayers and the average citizen on Main Street is getting harder and harder to figure out.

    Everyone appreciates that a European economic crash would hurt the economy of the United States. Europeans would buy fewer American products, invest less in American businesses and confidence in the system would be shaken, but lowering Fed interest rates doesn’t solve the fundamental problem with the European economy, which is an unsustainable left-wing social spending model built on government lies and phony economic predictions.

    As economist and TV commentator Larry Kudlow pointed out, “The European problem is a ballooning welfare entitlement state that is bankrupting most of Europe’s governments. And high European tax rates are strangling economic growth. And the debt that private investors won’t buy is held by a banking system that is increasingly vulnerable. And Germany, the strongman of Europe, doesn’t want to pay to bail out the southern countries or anyone else…”

    In short, nothing has been solved in Europe because European politicians are not doing anything to solve their underlying problems, they are merely postponing the inevitable day of reckoning, so that they can continue to stay in office — little wonder the Germans don’t want to bailout their neighbors who get longer paid vacations and better pensions than they do.

    So if the Germans won’t bailout their profligate left wing neighbors, why should Americans?  For an answer to that question you have to go the Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and he’s not talking. 

  127. As I said Ron Paul is an idiot and those who go along with his idiocies aren’t very far up the scale either.

    MQW, I suggest you do some real research not cut and paste idiots.
    Start with looking up “liquidity crises”


  128. Jack , why don’t you do some research before you make idiotic statements , you don’t even know how the fed creates money from nothing , do you even know what fractional reserve banking means
    It’s impossible to fix the problem of too much debt and spending with more debt and spending
    It won’t work anymore
    Answer this question
    If the fed saved the world in 08
    Why does the world need saving again ?
    Is the dollar like superman running around saving the world every few months , who pays for this ?

  129. Liquidity crisis ? Why yea when you’re bankrupt up to you’re ears in debt that’s a liquidity crisis ,

  130. Ron Paul is a racsist ? Prove it
    Should be easy enough , you got a video? a written statement ,
    Should be easy enough to prove

  131. If you study their comments, it’s clear that none of the GOP presidential candidates really knows anything about economics.

    The right wing has all sorts of goofy ideas about how the economy works, what causes economic problems, how to fix them, etc.

    If any of these idiots becomes president, and they get Congress to go along with their economic polices, we won’t have to worry about “competing with China.”

    We’ll be competing with Brazil.

  132. I say Obama is racsist and a homophobe
    I have no proof , but I’m going to say it anyway

  133. You would be wrong.
    there is a web site called google try it sometime.


  134. Any Republican, or Dem know how to shut up some stupid person that thinks they are reporting news?


    Ron Paul is comming on real strong.!!


  135. Blue, These are the talking points being spread all over the worst of the Right Wing News Talk radio sites in California

    Tax Muggers Want to Raise Your Taxes–$10 Billion” other billionaires another $15B–Brown $7B stories Total $32B

    Career criminals in LA must have wide grins–cops “occupied” with OWS gang, while they have fewer cops to worry about.

    Occupier Gangs are not civil rights activists–they are criminals, thieves, druggies, lazy people, lack personal responsibility

    LAPD gives jaywalking tickets–yet allow gang to close streets? Vandalism, graffiti, theft of public property–LAPD run by politicians

    LAPD allowing criminals to close streets in DTLA. Shameful to have law enforcement REFUSE to enforce our laws. Gangs in control of LA.

  136. Bill Oreilly Panics After Ron Paul Brings Up 1953 Iran Coup by US and UK.flv


    last one: Banned Ron Paul Video That FOX Refused To Re-Air


  137. mqw says:
    12/01/2011 at 2:16 PM

    I say Obama is racsist and a homophobe
    I have no proof , but I’m going to say it anyway

    How John Lyle of you

  138. mqw

    The newsletters from the 80s and 90s exist. They were published by his organization over his signature. He denies that he wrote them. Says he never saw them, and does not know who wrote them. So take your pick: He’s lying and was/is a racist, he had no control over his own group so was ineffectual and doesn’t deserve office, or he’s telling the truth and is just ignorant of how politics really works and again would make a bad President.

    Let him be the idea man, but don’t put him in charge of anything.

  139. what Ron Paul told the Wolf Man Blitzer about racism: Have to listen all the way through….


  140. Kudlow, another idiot, no wonder Bear Stearns went under.

    The European problem is a ballooning welfare entitlement state that is bankrupting most of Europe’s governments. And high European tax rates are strangling economic growth.

    BTW, this statement can be proven false in 30 seconds on google. Hint, Germany, Sweden,Norway


  141. Jamie

    Powerful stuff, then then you add in the fact that he is an isolationist on foreign policy and supports an economic policy that didn’t even work in the 19th century.
    And you get to understand how many of us believe that Ron Paul is a buffoon of the highest order. His interest is mostly in grabbing the limelight for Ron Paul, not solving the many problems this nation has. In other words a typical DC politician


  142. Kudlow: In the world of finance…..he is the King of Idiots…………or the Idiot King…love the edit button

  143. Solar…
    Doesn’t your solarcrete homes depend on some sort of federal subsidy? At the very least, doesn’t the homeowner get federal tax credits for using solarcrete panels?

    Why would you want a man to become president who doesn’t believe in federal subsidies or federal tax credits?

    It sounds like the old axiom of biting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.

  144. Renee,

    Yes they do.! I have a promise for 200 lots to build homes on from Mayors of small towns in Il. I also have a list of names of people that qualify for those homes…they have jobs, and can afford them..since they will be financing the amount that they can pay..about what they pay for rent..and less.

    The problem that I have had since Bush 43, has been that there are no banks that want to give us the balance of the Mortgage…about 100K The homes would cost about 140K the government would give a new home owner 35K to put up as a down payment…but they would have to live there for at least 10yrs.

    The banks keep telling me that it is a done deal…but not putting their $ where there mouth is…..

    As Far as wanting Ron Paul as an alternate to what we have today….when I think about how the R;s and The D';s are the ones that wrote the laws, that created the opportunity for the Large Corps to enslave us with these laws…it is not a far jump for me to see someone like R.P. doing a better job for us all…..not just for myself….I want a better place for all of us…I don’t see any chance of that with the D;s or the R;s the way that they control us through the large corps that control them like the puppets that they are…..

    If out Government wanted us to get out of this hole that we are in…they would finance small corps that would put people to work….Ron Paul wants us out of the war zones, but the large corps make a lot of $ there…getting lots of tax $…that don’t make it right n?….we have about only 1 % of Americans employed by the war….the rest are private armies….they get a lot of tax $…..etc, etc…I will give up the chance to build homes…if it we could get out, and start building up America again….the homes would be there again imo….

    Here is a question for you….why would you vote for the same people that are proven failures…proven to ruin the lives of the American Middle Class?

    ps….glad that you had a very successful fair…

  145. The federal reserve…what is the real story about them…who owns them?….If the few large banks own them like some people think…then they bailed themselves out….sure there are more government people that sit on their board..6 out of 11 ?? but isn’t that still like a private owned corp?…and they can do what ever they want most of the time….lots of questions about the Fed….

    Ron Paul…he was asked if he wanted to get rid of the IRS’ he said: “immediately” HA.! whats not to like about that…he also says the he would legalize pot…let all of the blacks, whites, minorities…all of the people arrested for small amounts out of jail……that doesn’t sound racist to me…..later

  146. Solar… fair enough question.

    I believe that the policies that enabled a middle class came largely from the Democrats. I also believe that some help came from Republicans. Back when Republicans were moderates who actually cared about this country. I believe that party no longer exists.

    I agree that most politicians are bought and sold by large corporations and banks. But the Democrats still have a platform I agree with and I’m glad to see people here and elsewhere on the web holding their feet to the fire.

    I too would love to see a third party that represented the interests of the people. But I don’t see that happening. I agree with KGC… it’s very hard and takes a long time to build a new party from the ground up. Therefore, I would rather vote for Democrats and bitch at them when they don’t represent what they say they will. I don’t believe at all in what the Republicans stand for.

    ps… I made some money. But “very successful”… those days are long gone… we’ve all had to accept a “new normal”.

  147. kudlow is just a fall down drunk. He opposes the US borrowing money from commieChina and loaning money to free market Europe.

    He says borrowing will force up interst rates, which is bad. Then he says lending will depress interest rates, which is bad.

  148. Newsletters not written by Ron Paul
    There’s been a lot of mean nasty ugly things posted here on craigs blog in the past ,
    So that would make Craig a mean nasty ugly person right Jamie ? Remember Brian ? So Craig is responsible for that right ? Remember y’all talking about Negroes couple months ago , so Craig said that right ?

  149. Renee,

    I did not mean anything when I said that you had a very successful fair…just my take…and good wishes…

    KGC is right…but we wouldn’t know what a third party would look like..if all we look at are the two parties that are in place now… you hardly… anyone here knew about the natural law party, before I brought them up……they did have a ground roots organization people in various elected offices in 40 states, everything a liberal could ask for…..with blinders on….the country looked at only the R’s and the D;s….part of voting….is being responsible….we better stop and listen to others…other than the ones that we keep rooting for…

    I don’t like what R. P. says about socialism…we need it just as much as capitalism….don’t like what he says about our medical system…we need to take care of people…..there are things that I don’t like about him…..but at least he doesn’t lie like Obama does about those things….he tells us what we want to hear…and then pisses down our legs………

  150. Solar…
    thanks for the good wishes with my business. I wish you all the success with yours.

    I agree about listening to others. I listen to all my Republican friends… they aren’t anywhere near as crazy as the Republican politicians. I’m not so much rooting for Democrats as I am rooting for my country… hell, I’m rooting for the whole world. Like you, I keep searching for answers. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to settle for what is and not for what you wish would be. You know what “they” say… if wishes were horses, I’d ride to the moon and back.

    All one can do is keep asking and learning.

  151. Yep, i felt Ron Paul was a homophobe after watching the BORAT movie.. He was punked but still..Or maybe he’s selectively never known any gay person, weird for sure.

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