Mitt has had nearly 20 years to figure out an effective answer to attacks on his days a leveraged buyout artist, so maybe there just isn’t one.

In 1994 Ted Kennedy’s campaign team fended off Romney’s surprisingly strong challenge for his senate seat by intensely focusing on Bain Capital, even featuring some of the same laid-off workers that the Obama campaign is using in ads.

After that race Romney told the Boston Globe the Bain theme cost him the race:

“It left in the minds of voters I was a bad guy, a corporate downsizer and raider, and I should have responded more vehemently. I am a big boy and I know how politics is played. But I thought it would play more to the facts.”

1994 Ted Kennedy Ad


Romney’s new foe:
Batman’s ‘Bane’

Bane, “The Dark Knight Rises” (2012)


 

103 Responses to Romney’s Bain Pain Not His First

  1. Jamie says:

    Well Duh! If you have 20 years to come up with an effective response and still fall on your face, what does that say for your ability to handle sudden confrontational situations?

  2. Jamie says:

    http://craigcrawford.com/2012/07/16/less-fear-more-desire-please/#comment-293199

    Patd and MoveOn

    I saw a report that Mitt’s father often contributed as high as 19% to the Church (and disclosed this in his tax returns) as wealthier members of the church and office holders within it are expected to do more than the required 10%.

    I don’t discount the excellent charitable work the church does both in the US and globally, but they are a very wealthy entity from a lot of sources and Mitt may not want others knowing how much of his money goes to missionary outreach.

    Oh and they get $35 a month from me for access to their genealogy records.

  3. You nailed it Jamie. What i hear (from McCain folk, where he deposited 20 years of returns for VP consideration) is that his massive charitable deductions (plus Bain’s huge contributions) risk focus on Mormons that the church would not welcome — stuff like this:

    How the Mormons Make Money

    Bain Sent Millions to Mormon Church

  4. whskyjack says:

    To me the Bain problem is silly and can be overcome easily.
    By a tale of two companies. Armco steel was getting out of the steel business, they had 2 divisions here in Kansas city one that was to become GST and another called Union Wire Rope. They sold Union Wire rope to a non union company, This company fired all of the union employees and offered to hire them back as nonunion and at a lower wage.
    GST keep the union, paid union wages. For 8 years they did this. These workers benefited from Bain management as compared to the alternative.
    BTW both companies went bankrupt at about the same time. It was the steel market that did them in.

    Jack

  5. whskyjack says:

    So it comes back to Romney is a Morman. Stick Jew in that sentence and see how it reads.

  6. You raise a good question for debate here, Whsky:

    Is anything fair game about Romney’s Mormon ties?

    I don’t think making fun of Mormon beliefs is fair. But I do think some of his decisions as a church leader in Boston (such as telling a single woman she had to put her child up for adoption or be ousted), and scrutiny of Bain’s role in business deals with the church is fair — and way short of religious prejudice.

  7. russellhuegel says:

    Those contributions together with losses reported on returns might be the reason he paid no tax in one year (or multiple years).

    I always subscribe to the idea that everything is relevant in a presidential campaign. It is unlike any other office in the world.

    It was relevant four years ago who the President associated with in his past. The question is: does it have little relevance or big relevance?

    As an example, I believe Kerry put out tax returns for each year he was a United States Senator.

    The Romney campaign should set their own reasonable standard. For example, release his tax returns for each year he was running for President. Obviously his campaign could think that through -- whether there was an exploratory committee set up and whether that would trigger a release of a return. But you understand the point, it would be a standard that would stand up to the scrutiny of the media.

  8. russellhuegel says:

    To add to Craig’s comment about the Mormon Church, I think everything is relevant. Of course I don’t believe in making fun of Mormons, but Romney’s activities and beliefs are relevant.

    I believe it was relevant for Lieberman to explain how his adherence to the sabbath would affect is duties as VP. He explained that he could perform his duties, because there is an exception to observance of the sabbath when working for the general welfare of society.

    The questions about President Kennedy were relevant too and he obviously handled those questions directly and in my opinion about as well as one can.

  9. for the more or less official Mormon response to Businessweek article above (How Mormans Make Money), here is the church-owned Deseret News in an editorial. There’s lots of whining about context and stuff, but no real disputing of the article’s facts.

  10. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    I believe in making fun of Mormons…the Mormons thought nothing of spending millions in California to spread their idea of hate and civil rights and then tried to hide behind the notion of religious freedom to keep from having their involvement in political campaigns exposed.

    They wear funny underwear they are a cult and Mittens should be afraid if he avoids paying his fair share of America’s expenses by donating to a bunch of white male bigots in Utah that spread the notions of hate

  11. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    and speaking of outsourcing the Mormons spend a lot of their money overseas

  12. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    Apparently the big reveal of the vp is coming up
    the final final are Potholesaplenty and Rob Portman who will apparently have amnesia for the period he worked for Shrub

  13. Nash 2.5 says:

    *** Romney lives in a “Wealth Bubble.”

    He is surrounded by people who are already wealthy, or who deeply believe that the highest achievement in life is to become wealthy, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. They know that, if you’ve got good lawyers and accountants, you can do almost anything and get away with it.

    *** Romney is “Too Big To Audit.”

    The IRS doesn’t have the budget or the staff to go after sophisticated global-scale corporate pirates like Romney; the IRS focuses on audits of liquor store owners or used car dealers. There’s a better chance of actually collecting some unpaid taxes from them.

  14. whskyjack says:

    “They wear funny underwear they are a cult ”
    Ah now I see it, If you do it, it is not bigotry.

    Sigh.

    Why do I get the feeling you wouldn’t be so tolerant if someone came in and talked abou t” money grubbing Jews”

  15. whskyjack says:

    I think I’m going to go for a long walk.

    Jack

  16. Flatus says:

    As I’ve said on several occasions, I have nothing but admiration for the Mormon service members I served with; Mr Romney was not in their numbers.

    I think a couple of things sum-up his character. First is the beating which he apparently administered on another youngster at his prep school. The second is the n’oblesse oblige attitude he repeatedly exhibits when talking about people he perceives as being of lower caste than he and his.

    In my opinion, these quirks disqualify him from senior public service to say nothing of the presidency.

  17. Jamie says:

    My time in Utah was very pleasant despite finding that women were expected to accept lower salaries and preferably only worked until their first child. OTOH, you felt remarkably safe, services particularly public transportation were excellent and the people genuinely warm and welcoming.

    I dislike their political activities with tax free money particularly the recent Prop 8 battle, but I dislike that from other religions as well.

    As to their particularly unique religious beliefs, to each his own, but the I Believe number from Book of Mormon is both hysterically funny and very moving for all those looking for their private answers to unanswerable questions.

  18. Jamie says:

    Just watched Romney speech to a cheering batch of robots and his total misstatement of the President’s positions and statements. If it hadn’t given me such a major headache I would hand out lollypops for every lie and obfuscation, but that would require listening to all that crap again.

  19. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    I think Romney is desperate next he will be mooning the audience

  20. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    A Romney surrogate said Obama is unAmerican and a liar and people wonder why Romney kept Trump around

    The Romney coalition is made up of religious nut cases and bigots and people who think Obama wasn’t born in the US
    and the rich who don’t want to pay for their own entitlements

    I heard a victim of the Catholic Church abuse say the Church has more sympathy for the priests then the victims
    For whatever contorted contrarian views people seem to accord their worst enemies greater respect then their best allies.

  21. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    The Democrats should pay for a road shows of the Book of Mormon — that should pretty much do it

  22. Nash 2.5 says:

    All religions are equally valid. They don’t require empirical evidence, or even internal logic, so it’s OK to believe anything you want…and kill anyone who doesn’t agree.

  23. Jamie says:

    KGC

    Actually Mormons like the show. The one they don’t like is the cartoon the guys who created the show did that pretty well painted Joseph Smith as an opportunist fleecing the gullible.

  24. Billy Bova says:

    Romney only has ONE WAY to “slip the noose” that is strangling him right now, and that is to lay-down the tax returns going back from at least 1999 and explain why he has not done so as of yet. He must, must, answer as to why his name appeared on the government paperwork until 2002 listing him as CEO of Bain capital. Anything short of this will simply prolong the time that he and his campaign remain on defense, thus surrendering to Team Obama the daily talking points and main narrative of the campaign. If they showed them to McCain, they can show them to the voters. The clock is ticking on them, tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock…

  25. patd says:

    He must, must, answer as to why his name appeared on the government paperwork until 2002 listing him as CEO of Bain capital.

    billyb, right and that clarifying answer better be backed up with a good paper trail (such as tax forms for those years supporting whatever income or deductable expenditures were or were not his via bain).

  26. Tonyb says:


    When Politics and The Movies Meet
    by Taylor Marsh

    Even GOP advisor Frank Luntz jumped into the fray. “Hollywood does it again,” he told Secrets. “[Romney] had to know all this was coming and he should have done a lot more to prepare for it.” – Romney’s new foe: Batman’s ‘Bane’

  27. xrepublican says:

    “OK to believe anything you want…and kill anyone who doesn’t agree.” -- Nash

    Ahhh…. I feel liberated. Thanks, Nash, you inspire me. I shall dedicate the first trophy head to you.

    Btw, do you happen to know where I might find pat buchanan ?

  28. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    Some Mormons may like the show I think the church decided it was easier to say as little as possible in the face of the huge success of the show.

    It’s not that the show would educate people about Mormons it’s that it would open up the discussion about what it means to be a Mormon and I think a lot of people would be surprised to learn what it takes to go to heaven as a Mormon and how easy it is to be denied

  29. xrepublican says:

    Perhaps he is unwilling to open his tax records because what he reported to the IRS is different from what he reported to the LDS, if you catch my drift.

    Iow, perhaps he flip-flopped the numbers a little.

    Anywhat, I am happy to see the summer pass by with the rat king’s secrecy being the big topic of interest.

    Isn’t it funny that we have no GORDO or vadaryl here, pretending to be Dems while writing over and over, “if’n he ain’t got nuthin’ tuh hide, wizee hidin’ it ?”

    Where are all those republican agents provocateurs ?

    I mean, besides mo.

  30. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    HW
    I think that is very cool and makes me an even stronger proponent of high speed access to the internet for everyone --wireless is the way to go. Speaking of course as one who live in a digital black hole no dsl,no satellite, no microwave nothing but dial-up

  31. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    Romney’s just an arrogant ass who thinks he knows better and is better and everyone should just take his word for it.

    He is betting the media will get bored the story and let it drop and the Democrats have to figure out a way to keep it hot

  32. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    X-R

    So Potholesaplenty could be number two — will the GoOpers carry Minnesota

  33. russellhuegel says:

    Thanks for the link to the business week article. Gee, imagine that, a religion complaining about its PR.

    There is now a solid drumbeat about releasing the returns. Prominent Rs are calling for their release.

    Despite the bad economic numbers that recently came out (seems like months ago) the Obama campaign is owning the past week. First with the Bain issue, now the returns.

    There simply is no choice anymore. The returns must be released soon. They are going to be unable to talk about anything else!

    Even George Will has said something like they must have determined releasing them is worse than holding them back!!! If George Will thinks that, you’ve got a huge problem on your hands. How are you going to convince a Reagan Democrat from Ohio/Pennsylvania/Virginia that you are on the level and they should vote for you?

    Oy vey.

  34. Here’s the truth about John Sununu.

    “This is a guy who was born in Havana, Cuba to a Palestinian father and a Salvadoran mother, who just had the gall to tell the president of the United States that he doesn’t know how to act like an American because he grew up splitting time between Hawaii and Indonesia, and smoking weed.

    Think about it. The guy is an Arab from Havana who is also a Latino immigrant. And he’s a Republican!! I think Michele Bachmann needs to get on this infiltration before her head explodes. And even though Sununu, like Sirhan Sirhan, is a Christian, someone in his family must surely be tied to Hamas or Hezbollah or the Muslim Brotherhood. Has Sununu ever interviewed Anthony Weiner? Does he know George Soros?”

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/7/17/23404/1363

    I still think that $Rmoney was born in Canada while his parents were on vacation and rushed back over the border to register his birth in an American Hospital.

    So the question is, is Willard Mitt Romney a Canadian or a Anchor Baby.

    Have a great evening.

  35. patd says:

    I dislike their political activities with tax free money particularly the recent Prop 8 battle, but I dislike that from other religions as well.

    jamie, especially dislike those political activities and beliefs which make it imperative to take over, rename and employ a state religion…. all tax exempt or at citizen’s expense. these include the radical christians, islamists, zionists and folks who make others drink blue koolaid.

    jack, i see your point and agree to a certain extent; but, as a woman, it’s hard to be tolerant politically of any group (orthodox judaism, mormonism, hardshell evanglism, catholic, etc) that see me as a second class citizen.

  36. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    Why are religions exempt from ridicule --especially stupid cults that try to keep people in line with dumb rules — when you give them an elevated position it helps them think they are exempt from civil society rules

    people who act otherwise are the reason nothing ever changes --organized religion so far as I can tell as done nothing but promote hate. Faith and belief are a different story

    I’m sure if Romney were a scientologist no one would complain about making fun of his religion..the Mormons are no different than the scientologists (or any other religion that tries to control every aspect of their congregations lives)

  37. Blonde Wino says:

    Good morning, AP. I agree with your comments on Sununu. I studied the offending piehole on the Sunday talk shows. How did Sununu ever get elected in the first place? Truly, an ugly man, ugly human. Mitt’s mouthpiece.

    Patd…in public, all politically correct religious types treat women the same as men. But, what goes on behind closed doors? Politicians try to be adept at hiding their personal feelings while towing the party line. I have had several male, Mormon bosses in my corporate career. They worked well with women. The Mormon religion is actually socialist. They commune together and have marvelous food banks for the cult. But, it is the men that hold the power within the church. That has not changed and it will not change. Just like so many other religions…

    I still agree with Karl Marx. Religion is the opiate of the masses.

  38. Blonde Wino says:

    More observations from the bottom while living the economy life in the US of AA.

    The food shortage will begin by autumn in time for the election. The drought is destroying the harvest…almost everywhere. I hate to report even the holy green chile crop is struggling. We in America enjoy cheap food when compared to other countries like Australia and Canada. Hard times ahead and the congressional critters want to limit food stamps.

    I am unemployable. I am sitting on my $50,000 resume and I cannot find hourly employment. Hubby who entered the hourly workforce in 2007, is suffering. Not a pay raise in five years, crappy health insurance and now no breaks, no two days off in a row and he must work one night a week. I tried to get back to the department store and tested, etc. Now they are not hiring spouses.

    So, I am honing my observational skills. Economy cable is littered with ‘judge shows.’ Judge Judy, the #1 rated daytime show, has been my study. Her success? In her galley, the producers place good looking, young women. No matter if the camera is on the plaintiff or the defendant, you always see a pretty face. There are some men in the galley, but they sit on the sides. Hubby and I call it the Lipstick Lesbian galley. All for everyone’s viewing pleasure and a killer for the ratings.

  39. xrepublican says:

    Ms Cracker,

    Potholes Aplenty has emerged as the most unpopular pol in the state, narrowly beating out james (the body) janos, dba jesse ventura.

    If the Dems are smart enough to run and re-run ads showing the I35 bridge collapsing, Potholes may carry as little as 25% of the vote. Iow, he would bring down Sick willard’s numbers.

    If the Dems let him off the hook, Potholes & willard could reach the mid -- high 40s. Caveat -> Imo.

  40. xrepublican says:

    Mr. Paranoid,

    rippers will lie about anything, no matter how trivial. Little johnny sununu’s father, a convicted dangerous felon, who worked for ronald reagan, used to say his name meant little bird in Arabic. In fact, it means little fish.

    The horse apple doesn’t fall far from the horse’s ass.

    sununu’s just angry because Obama X’d bin ladin.

  41. xrepublican says:

    Ms Wino,

    I’m sorry to hear of your trouble with Big Insho.

    “I still agree with Karl Marx. Religion is the opiate of the masses.”

    oh,bummer updated that to religion and guns.

  42. xrepublican says:

    Let’s hope the sob doesn’t make another gaffe like that one.

  43. xrepublican says:

    sob = silly old bigshot

  44. Blonde Wino says:

    Guns are a religion, Mr. Xrep.

    Mitt needs to show us his taxes and I believe we should throw in a drug test, too. It is de rigour for any pre-employment process.

  45. Flatus says:

    My morning newspaper reports that Wm Raspberry has died. His columns were on my read list when they were in my papers and were missed when they weren’t. “Words Matter” 1993

  46. Blonde Wino says:

    I still wish the talking heads would us offshoring instead of outsourcing when discussing Mittens Bain.

    If I were Mitt, I would start practicing the presidential stride. He currently walks like an Alzheimer’s patient…shuffling, little mincing steps. He lacks the POTUS gait. And if he cannot prove he is the leading domestic candidate, wait until we get to international politics. One visit to his buddy in Israel will not help Mittens international stance. Failure is following Mitt.

  47. Blonde Wino says:

    Crossroads is advertising heavily for Heather Wilson in New Mexico. But, the Sierra Club has a most excellent commercial to counteract Crossroads “BIG government.”

  48. Blonde Wino says:

    Heather Wilson is very dirty and unfortunately, cleaning in cruddy water is not washing-off the justice department scandal, either. She is a huge part of our teabagging governor’s team. None of them can get clean.

  49. russellhuegel says:

    Would a Republican please tell Romney that by not releasing the tax returns he is advancing the narrative that the top 1% play by a different set of rules? What’s the matter? Can’t Romney and his campaign defend wealth and success? Isn’t that what they’re about? By not doing it, they are implicitly saying what they’re about is, being wealthy is an exclusive club that adheres to a completely different set of rules and norms than the rest of society. This is beginning to dominate to the point if he releases them, he will still get killed for waiting too long in addition to what is in there. How can someone running for President have such a low Political I.Q.?

  50. blueINdallas says:

    I get the impression that the GOP is not happy with Mitt, but feel stuck with him and will try to make the best of it at the convention.

    Do higher food prices help the GOoPers? The more the 99% struggles, does it push them away from Obama or toward him?

    At any rate, I’d suggest filling your pantries soon.

  51. blueINdallas says:

    russell -- Some Republicans are asking him to do so.

    At this point, I think that the very idea of what they might show will grow into something unmanageable & he will have no choice but to release more of his returns.

  52. xrepublican says:

    Personally, I hope Sick Willie never opens his tax records.

    I would rather see wikileaks reveal them around columbus day. That and the record of his huge personal investments in commie China, commie Cuba, fascist russia, and fascist Iran, his weapons sales to the zetas drug cartel, and trade with commie northKorea. (All this is just a guess on my part. I figure if he’s hiding something, it must be reeeeeaaally nasty. I mean, he was around to witness the birther crap, right ? He wouldn’t want to take that kind of abuse for peanuts, right ?)

  53. xrepublican says:

    Oh, did I forget his slave trading in the Congo, his rum-running in Utah, and his other 26 wives ?

  54. xrepublican says:

    Jack,

    Please forgive my stereotype gag. I should have written instead,

    and the suppressed police report of his being found in bed with a dead woman AND a live boy.

  55. xrepublican says:

    They don’t make William Raspberrys anymore, dammit.

    I remember reading letter to the editor crap in the ’60s, alleging he wasn’t doing a good job because of his race. He showed those bastards up.

    Job well done, Mr. Raspberry.

  56. patd says:

    speaking of big biz booboos and gubm’t poobahs, it’s fun watching the wind twisting of g4s (in)security. how differently we handled good ole blackwater and halliburton when they screwed up on our dollar.
    nothing like privatization to expose the fallibility, greed and stupidity of humans

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18845678

  57. Blonde Wino says:

    Mittens took a loss and a tax cut during the Bush years, I imagine. So, how can he look both like a job creator and a business loser on paper at the same time?

  58. Flatus says:

    I went over to our Wells Fargo branch earlier today. While I was sitting in front of the feller’s desk waiting for his computer to kick-in, I commented on how dreary the place looked with no pictures on the walls or personal pictures in the work areas. Like they used to have when Wachovia owned the place.

    Suprisingly, the feller agreed with me saying that he and the other employees missed the warmth it added. And, that I wasn’t the only only who had commented about it. He suggested I call the bank’s headquarters.

    When I asked him where in China headquarters was, he let out a roar like I’ve never heard in a bank before! He was still laughing when I left several minutes later.

  59. xrepublican says:

    “It left in the minds of voters I was a bad guy, a corporate downsizer and raider. . . .”

    What is wrong with precise and accurate advertising ?

  60. xrepublican says:

    Sick Willie’s big gripe is that fair and balanced, precise and accurate advertising necessarily shows him as a bad guy.

    I mean, he IS a bad guy.

  61. xrepublican says:

    No one forced him to fire Americans, take their pensions for himself, and send the jobs to maoist-commie-marxist redState China.

    He did that all on his own.

  62. russellhuegel says:

    blueINdallas, I know there have been prominent Rs telling him to release more.

    Mark Halperin, one of the best political reporters in the business. This is what I’m talking about.
    http://thepage.time.com/2012/07/18/romneys-midsummer-test/

    My takeaway is that Mitt has too many financial associates and friends involved in major campaign decisions. He needs a detached political pro to give him some unbiased and tough love on this issue.

    A while back, Rupert Murdock tweeted that he didn’t think his team was up to the task of going toe to toe with tough Chicago pols. Hmmmmmm

  63. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    Good for John McCain and his standing up for rational political behavior and most of all for making Michelle Bachman look once again like the ass she is

  64. Flatus says:

    Mitt isn’t bad--he just has a convoluted set of moral values.

  65. Flatus says:

    Despite some of the gaffes and stupid things that McCain has done, for someone who has literally had the crap beaten out of him daily for years, placed in solitary confinement, survived, maintained his dignity, he is a god-like hero in comparison to Romney.

  66. harborwoman says:

    That’s a treasure of a find, Anon! Still laughing….

  67. Nash 2.5 says:

    I talked to a bank CEO today. (It’s just a small Maine-based bank with only a few local branches. Most of their business is in loans to the potato farmers.)

    The bank CEO believes the USA is in decline because “the government is giving too much to people who don’t work.” His solution: get rid of unemployment compensation, food stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security.

    When I suggested that, as he is 65 and getting ready to retire, Medicare might be something he’d like to have, he said…”No. I, and my wife, have free health insurance for life. The board of directors put it in my retirement contract.” I didn’t bother to ask him about whether he needed Social Security.

    The point of this story is that THIS IS MITT’S PROBLEM.

    Like the local bank CEO, Mitt is so damn rich and well provided for as a former corporate executive, that he doesn’t need government “social welfare” programs. He thinks they’re evil, and he despises all the people who are dependent on them, blaming them for all of our economic problems.

    In the 19th century they called this philosophy “Social Darwinism.” (The cream rises to the top. If you’re not rich, you are weak, stupid, or lazy, and you don’t deserve anything more then a crust of bread and a kick in the ass.)

  68. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    Well Nash2.5 I hope you told the bankster that medicare and social security are paid for by the recipients not the government — that in fact asswipes such as himself have stolen money from social security trust fund by failing to pay their fair share of expenses

  69. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    Be sure to read AP’s link to the Sherrod Brown story
    Very funny

  70. sturgeone says:

    I became cognizant this afternoon of the fact that I was one of the two guys walking around in the parking lot talking on a cel phone. It put me in a reflective mood and I concluded my call and began to walk back towards the wharf. I Passed 3 guys in various stages of entering the parking lot while talking or staring at cel phones. I looked across the way and there were several pretty girls walking around in front of Red’s….talking on cel phones. And I thought, well woudja look at that shit…..

    Well, when I got back to my beer, this guy says….

    Sturge, can I talk to you? I, of course, says “Yeah, of course.” He says, “My son’s in jail.” I says, “How old is he?”, cause this guy I’m talking to is a kid to me… He says, “Well, that’s not important, we’ll get into that later….he’s 22.” I says, “Damn, curse the luck.” He says, “Are you missing anything out of the camper behind the shop?”
    I says, “Damn if I know.”

    Ok….turns out his son’s a junkie, so to speak, and he went on a thieving jaunt and stole stuff…..guns from the neighbor, tools, uncle’s shotgun which belonged, blah blah blah, and my Wurlitzer Electric Piano from the camper. His dad busted him and sent him to jail. Turns out, about 3 weeks ago I tell this music-whore friend of mine that I have a Wurlitzer Piano and he wants to take it and fool with it so we wipe all the cobwebs away and I look and dig into the camper and no piano but I figure what the hell I musta moved it somewhere or something.

    That old Wurlitzer….brown road-case model. I bought it from under the bed of this guy who lived across from the bar in ’76 the night before I moved to Nashville….I was going to be another guitar player in Nashville, but then I was gifted with a piano. Such is fate. Coupla years later after I’d moved to Denver and bought a Brand-Ass New Yamama I let my friend borrow it when he landed a place in the Rockies and wanted a piano to add to the magnificent view and the goof ball set it up in the heated-pool room the keys all swelled up and I closed it and put it in the camper and it managed to make it all the way back to SC. And there it sat, the piano which Ray Charles used on “Tell me what’d I say?” Not the “very” piano, of course….the same make model etc…..

  71. Flatus says:

    Damned Wurlitzers come with a story. I had one of those Wurlitzer electronic organs that they made in the 70s. Had two keyboards and a whole bunch of stops and a bunch of pedals.

    Got our orders to England so had the movers pack it up.

    When our stuff arrived, the blokes called from the British moving company saying our shipment was here. I said great, I had really missed our mighty Wurlitzer. The bloke on the phone asks, “You have a Wurlitzer organ??”

    To make a long story short, they show up with six burly guys to manhandle our 75-lb Wurlitzer into our quarters.

    Sturg, I’m really sorry about yours, a much more significant loss than mine.

  72. sturgeone says:

    I got to Nashville with that piano…to get a music job in Nasville you got to be able to “hang”. If you can’t hang, you on the side of the interstate at 6 am with an empty guitar case full of crap and all your clothes in a garbage bag. If you’re lucky. Ha Ha. So I got out the phone book and called every Printing co. in town. Nashville is a printing town and I had done some printing…..in the bindery……I called thru the phone book and got as far as Satterwhite and someone-who-begins-with “R” and I mentioned a few machines……Mr Satterwhite says, come on down. I looked on the map and saw that I could walk down Demonbreun and take a right and be 2 or 3 blocks from the joint. I interviewed with Mr Satterwhite, an Atticus Finch type, and he said….” This is Nashville…we get a lot of fellers thru here looking for pick-up work….” etc. long story short he says, “Not many of the calls we get name the machines.” He puts me on. It’s shit work at the end of the line, but I’m on……
    I got this piano that’s been under this guy’s bed since Nine-teen and Forty-Two so to speak and I look in the phone book and I find Claude P. Street piano company. The cats what am. I say, on the phone, “I got this Wurlitzer piano, can you take a look at it for me, please?” He says, “If it’s a “Model Twelve Forty Four Dash bip bap boom don’t bring it here; throw it in the trash, or burn it.” I says, “Ok, I don’t know what model it is, I’ll check and call tomorrow.”

    The rest of the stupid day I’m sweatin’ that piano.

    I walk home to “Music Row”. It was 23 Music Square East. Next door to the guitar-shaped-swimming pool.
    Across Demonbreun.

    It was NOT that model. I took it down and they set that sucker up.

  73. sturgeone says:

    Flate….My Wurlitzer was saved…I can pick it up.

    The Mighty Wurlitzer…..you right about that, by gum by golly…..

  74. sturgeone says:

    Flate….you know….you remind me of this bloke I used to know who remembered fondly what it was like to be young.

  75. sturgeone says:

    but a by-god wurlitzer? not only what hath god wrought but what the goddam hell is THAT, son-of-a-bitch goddam. Wurlitzer. Juke-box, organ, piano…Steinway got nothin’ on them boys.

  76. sturgeone says:

    And may I say….all seriousness aside….anyone who has in some way managed to sit before a Mighty Wurlitzer and depress a key or two is by that act inserted into a fraternity of Mighty Wurlitzer Keyboard Pressers. When the old mom bought that stupid piano in the early fifties….it was a Wurlitzer. We finally sold it for $150.

    Or: a Sorori-fratori…..we love you mom. Ha ha, Just kidding. LOL. OMG.

  77. xrepublican says:

    From Nash 2.5 @ 8:08 pm : “In the 19th century they called this philosophy “Social Darwinism.” (The cream rises to the top.”

    “Scum rises to the top, solidifies, and becomes the upper crust.”
    - A bon mot from my old drinking buddy, Stuart Goldbarg, whose laptop I bought to wander along this Trail. Stuart first said this as a junior in high school in 1964, when we argued politics every day. He spouted this denunciation for fifteen years before I began to believe him. Yes, I liked Barry Goldwater. I still do. However, he was wrong about a lot of things.
    So was I.

    We must never forget that scum rises.

  78. xrepublican says:

    I hate when that happens.

  79. Update on the Lake County SO murder of Scott by their officers.

    It has now come out that the suspect they were looking for was on a aggravated battery charge along with another man before they killed Scott.

    The charge became attempted murder only after they banged on the wrong door and killed Scott.

    The suspect was caught in the another apartment building next to the Scott building.

    This information came from the 911 tapes and the other suspect was only charged with aggravated battery while the first suspect was charged with the attempted murder charge only after the SO wrongfully killed the wrong man.

    This is starting to look like the shit that went down in the Trayvon Martin killing and the way the Sanford PD handled it.

    Also on another note George Zimmerman was on Hannity tonight and said he would do the same thing all over again amongst other things.

    The reason he was on Hannity is because his attorney Mark O’Mara said he was hoping to get Zimmerman’s supporters interested again to help raise money for the defense of his client George Zimmerman.

    And from what little I saw of that interview only convinces me more that he indeed did commit Second Degree Murder and by his own words he would have done the same thing over as well as he had no regrets for what he had done.

    Zimmerman may be a Sociopath and he looked like he was indifferent to what he had done since he showed no remorse at all for his killing someone who had every right to be were he was.

    Anyway that’s all for now, have a great evening.

  80. sturgeone says:

    maybe cream rises to the top and breeds scum.
    damnif I know.

  81. Zimmerman lies again on Hannity show.

    If anyone remembers the layout of the complex where Zimmerman shot Martin you would have noticed that the area where Zimmerman’s truck was parked and where Trayvon died after a confrontation with Zimmerman was quite a distance from his truck.

    From a short article at Excite News I found this statement from Zimmerman.

    “When asked to explain what he meant when he told a police dispatcher he was following Martin, the neighborhood watch volunteer said he was trying to keep an eye on Martin to tell police.

    Zimmerman says after he got out of his car, Martin was next to him. Zimmerman says he looked down, then looked up and Martin punched him and broke his nose.”

    http://apnews.excite.com/article/20120719/DA03MACG2.html

    I’m sure that the prosecutor will be going over Zimmerman’s interview and use anything in it to show more conflicting statements of his account that fatal night.

    Good night all, catch you tomorrow.

  82. Tonyb says:

    Michele Bachmann Owes Huma Abedin a Public Apology and it Should Be Delivered on the Floor of the House
    by Taylor Marsh

    The charges lobbed at Mrs. Abedin, with Bachmann citing her family members, is as un-American as anything ever leveled in the Joe McCarthy era.

    Beyond Bachmann’s racism, that anyone would believe that Secy. Clinton would ever allow anyone remotely subversive to be her right hand for so many years defies credulity.

    But it goes right along with the latest Team Romney tactics to label Pres. Obama someone “foreign.”

    Just when you think American politics can’t get worse, Republicans hit a new low.

  83. Tonyb says:

    Seeking Redemption, A Democrat Worth Forgiving
    by Taylor Marsh

    But then, I’ve done time researching and investigating relationships, sexuality and the dating scene, so I know Anthony Weiner isn’t an anomaly. He’s just someone who got caught.

    Everything else is between he and his wife, the beautiful and talented Huma Abedin, Secy. Clinton’s deputy chief of staff, who has forgiven him after what I’m sure was a walk through hell.

  84. DexterJohnson says:

    Will Romney wait until after the convention to give his version of the religion-don’t- mean-nuthin’ factor?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo5OwuryDfo

  85. DexterJohnson says:

    TWO O’CLOCK AND ALLLLL’S WELL!
    Night Watchman at your service~

  86. Tonyb says:

    From Victim to Vicious
    By CHARLES M. BLOW

    Romney’s first response to recent questions about his wealth was an odd one: he embraced victimization. He claimed to be a victim of Obama’s aggressive, out-of-control campaign. But whining is a sign of weakness. For Romney, it didn’t work out so well.

  87. Katherine Graham Cracker says:

    Mittens shines with flop sweat
    and I saw Mrs. Mitt with a camel toe …oh my!
    things are unraveling very fast for the Romneys

  88. Blonde Wino says:

    Good morning…you make me laugh, KGC. Camel toe!

    AP The floridian republicans will get Zimmerman off just like they did Casey Anthony. This is more about guns and wealth than race…I stand by my original opinion. If it were about race, Herman Cain would have spoken-up.

  89. Blonde Wino says:

    Dex…thank you being such a great keeper of the night.

  90. RebelliousRenee says:

    I’m baaaaaaaaack…. we had a very relaxing time… and I managed not to get sunburnt… oh yeah… Smile

  91. Blonde Wino says:

    Welcome home, RR.

  92. RebelliousRenee says:

    After catching up on the posts, it seems the big question on this blog for a few days was “should discussing religion be fair game while discussing politics?”

    To which I say… religion itself has answered that question by many of them inserting themselves in politics…. aggressively.

    As the old cliche goes…. you can’t eat your cake and have it too. Religion cannot claim immunity from the shenanigans of politics while acting like a political animal, IMO.

    oh yeah… John Sunununununu is a frickin’ asshole…

  93. RebelliousRenee says:

    ps… I’m of the belief that any religion that gets involved with politics in any way… both locally and nationally… should have it’s tax exempt status revoked.

    thanks BlondeW… hope you do more observation type posts.

    and I see we have a newbie…. howdy russellh…

  94. patd says:

    renee, not much happened while you were gone except once again the day after a hillary visit, there were some strategic moves made on the tyrant of the day in the middleast.
    strange how things happen when she’s around. wonder where she stores her superman cape.

  95. patd says:

    speaking of religion, is the new opiate of the masses now the internet?

    and are we seeing similar divisions of influential power and self-identification if one is a google or a yahoo follower, like the fox vs the peacock or the pope vs henry viii and aljazeera vs bbc/times/post?

    are there rituals in this new religion comparable to baptism and a bris?

  96. Jamie says:

    NEW THREAD

  97. xrepublican says:

    Sturge,

    I’m glad you got your piano back.

    I guess, if a thief is unsuccessful by the age of 22, he’d better hang it up and find another career.

    The kid ought to be writing letters of apology to his victims also. Apologies are a good start to a new career.