Seems to me what the President must guard against is what probably cost him the New Hampshire primary in 2008 — a tendency toward, for lack of a better word, arrogance. His terse ‘you’re likable enough’ comment to Hillary Clinton in this clip came across as derisive in a way that did not serve him well. Barack Obama was an uncomfortable debater in that campaign. Over and over again, as we’ve seen in his often testy press conferences, he really does not like being questioned. He can easily be provoked. Which I’m guessing is precisely what Mitt Romney will try to do.
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I woo because I’m happy….I hoo because I’m free.
and i am really looking forward to this debate.
Well, then, Obama & Romney have that in common; neither likes to be questioned.
At some point, Prez No Drama will get that look on his face, that look of disapproval he gave Biden.
At some point, Willard will give a look of disdain, as well.
Who can control it better? The debates will be a good test of temperament, but between two guys who can be less-than-affable.
Obama definitely has the ability to turn on charm at will. I’m not sure what Mittens has in his personality arsenal; Mormon-nice-guy on the outside, but heartless on the inside, I think.
Will anything of substance come out of the debates? I hope so. I wouldn’t bet $10,000 on it, but I still have hope.
The personality smackdown to which I am sooo looking forward is Biden v Lyin’ Ryan. Neither of them will, or have to, control themselves.
They may be only a breath away from the OO, but they will go at it in a way neither of their running mates can.
Who knows, in the heat of the debate, Ryan might even let a truth or two slip out.
obama should bring props an empty chair and a bag of money in case he needs to bet with Rmoney
Not that it is really news but apparently CNN and ABC cannot distinguish fact from fiction. In the movie “Jeanine from DeMoine” the story of how one person’s life is impacted by politics — it is so realistic that the clowns from ABC thought she was a real voter and the idiots from CNN agreed with ABC that they were some how dishonest. Completely missed the point of the entire movie.
CNN has this guy on all the time and he also appears on Glenn Beck’s channel. He is the perfect example of why likeability is key to success. Being competent is never enough. This guy is a raving rightwing loon — the current right wing meme on racial issues is “I’m tired of being pushed around -I am not a racist(sic) and f--’em if they can’t take a joke.” This is what Ann Coulter’s most recent book addresses. This guy is very charming and makes a good appearance but he is still saying the same hideous things --which somehow coming from his mouth are more acceptable then coming from Glenn Beck --not.
Scary scenario on the 538 blog
How could you, John Elway? I put a curse on the Broncos and you have broken a record with me…37 year fan GONE. You can have your Rmoney…
Poor BW
Crushed by the Orange Crush
Sad day at the wino household, thank you, KGC.
If the possibility of an election being decided by the House isn’t enough to get people out to vote nothing will. Heavens to murgatoid!
re: arrogance in debates
On “Morning Joe” they were taking about the Scott Brown vs Elizabeth Warren senatorial debate in Massachusetts.
They showed a clip of Brown acting arrogant. Howard Dean pointed out that MEN cannot get away with acting arrogant towards WOMEN in debates.
I would argue that is doesn’t apply as much when two men are debating. Both Romney & Obama have tendency towards arrogance, so even if one hides it better, I don’t think it will make much of a difference.
We watched the Warren/Brown debate on C-span last night. Brown continues to lie and promote the fact that he is Independent. However, Warren pointed out each time he voted in lock step with his party of obstructionist Republicans.
I guess when a good looking man lies, it is easier on the ears. But, the dude is a Republican and runs from it when he wants votes…votes when he wants to be a Republican.
Elway can’t pick the winner anyway…look at his QB picks of the past two years.
yup Craig… when we women in NH went to the polls in that primary, little did we know we were actually picking the presidential winner for………… 2016.
BlondeW… you expect the rich football farts to “not” vote Republican… really?
The Kraft family(owners of my beloved Patriots) held a $75,000 a plate fund raiser for Rmoney last week. Won’t stop me from rooting for my team.
and…. oh… yeah… my Patriots play your Broncos this coming Sunday…. GO PATRIOTS!
RR…go Patriots…at least they the VP of the team did not announce his endorsement in the state where the first debates are being held! Upstaging the Prez in Colorado.
I suggest Obama Tebow before he takes the platform.
I have boycotted many products for political reasons…the Broncos are now part of my boycott. It is easy because they do suck. I still do not buy Yoplait or Progressive soups because of their response to supporting swift boating of John Kerry….their products are easily replaced.
Endorsements, my ass!
kgc….with regard to yours of 8:36:
“Success is no certificate of excellence.”
--Jean-Henri Fabre, The Life of the Spider.
(left a couple of spider posts on end of the last tread)
Obama Romney Debate Transcript:
MODERATOR: Welcome America, to this first of three presidential debates. Please applaud now and then hold applause during the debate…
…Governor Romney, why have you chosen to make public only one year of your tax returns instead of the twelve years your father (and VP Biden and President Obama) made a point of releasing?
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90 MINUTES PASS……………………….
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MODERATOR: Well that ends our debate.
Everybody VOTE!
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elway, schmelway.
my first year in denver was also elway’s….was fun to watch play football. but i never could see being overly anxious to know what a jock’s opinion might happen to be on anything outside of athlete’s foot or running with a ball, or what-not.
Dixie Dove…we must not forget the non-taxed money off-shored for Rmoney. Really, can a man be President while hiding his money from the IRS?
Sturg
Boy Howdy ain’t that the truth.
Moving to the extremes …….
Vancouver , Canada just booked it’s driest Sept in 118 years of records,
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/10/01/bc-dry-september-vancouver.html
Nova Scotia it’s wettest ……
http://metronews.ca/news/halifax/390310/rainy-september-a-record-breaking-one-for-nova-scotia/
Look for Romney to come out aggressive on the offense and Obama to play prevent defense.
And as we all know the prevent defense is called that because it prevents you from winning. Obama will be much more aggressive the second debate.
Look for the VP debates to be a fact free food fight.
How bad off is Romney? Obama is running ads in MO. I’m beginning to believe that Obama is running for a landslide.
Jack
Desperately searching for more presidential debate “zingers,” Mitt Romney’s team goes to Internet Movie Database’s “best movie quotes” and prepares the following list, most of which would make no sense in a debate.
“A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.”
“I am Spartacus.”
“As God is my witness, I’ll never be hungry again!”
“I see dead people.”
“Say hello to my little friend!”
“He slimed me.”
“I’ll have what she’s having.”
“You’re gonna need a bigger boat.”
“You’re tearing me apart!”
“Open the pod bay doors, Hal.”
“Two men enters, one man leaves!”
A sure sign you are getting old. You know what day of the week it is by your pill box. }
Jack
Jack: Not if you forget to take your pills every day.
How many times can Romney say “8% unemployment” in one sentence?
In 2 minutes, the whole night.
Nash, that is why it is on the shelf above the toilet. I see it as I take the morning leak. Take the pills is the second job of the morning.
Jack
I must have been longing for the weekend as my mind this morning was certain it was wed.
got to get on that ladder and paint.
Later
I distrust would be authority figures who prance around taking twenty inch steps while real men and women have the pack chasing after them so as not to miss a single word. (You hear me, Mitt?)
Jack and Nash and you wannabes out there.
Real pill poppers, such as me, use the seven day models with removable daily sub-compartments with four separate sections for morning, noon, etc. Very handy, indeed.
Stinky and I had four of them which would allow us to preload things for a two week trip. Now, I’m good for a month.
CBob
Thanks for the good news… I guess poor Karl is going revise some numbers now…
Drought-lowered Mississippi River hurts barge traffic, consumer prices
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/14977364-418/drought-lowered-mississippi-river-hurts-barge-traffic-will-raise-consumer-prices.html
I wish the Broncos ran good offense like this all of the time…I have already heard back from Team Broncos…
Ah you guys have nothing on young women…I used to run my life by the birth control pill date dial!
U.S. Drought 2012: Pick Your Poison
As harvest season gets under way, farmers find that drought-stressed crops are susceptible to toxins and contaminants, further reducing yields
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=us-drought-2012-pick-your-poison
c-Bob…I have heard millions of trees have died because of the drought in the US. Millions…sure makes the amount cut down for the space shuttle seem tiny. And I was outraged about those trees. Very little said about this…
I guess Mittens came from down six points in his gov race to win after his opponent made some mistake in the debates…
Ashleeeee Banfield (how far you have fallen)thinks Mittens is on the comeback trail
I have agita
For anybody that can read a map that is a “well duh!” statement.
the headline
Is stupid too. very little in the way of consumer goods travel the inland water way. It will hurt export sales of grain and coal.
Edit: The sad part is it took only 3 min to educate myself by using google
For those interested in the impact of barge transportation on the inland waterways.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-10-superweeds-linked-herbicide-gm-crops.html#jCp
Jack, anything that works to raise export prices right now isn’t necessarily a bad thing considering the dismal Chinese market for coal. And grains? Should we be exporting them if they are fit for human consumption?
However it washes, I’d be very pleased seeing cargo of this sort going by Mr Buffets railroad.
BW -
Climate Change to Cripple Southwestern Forests
Trees Face Rising Drought Stress and Mortality as Climate Warms
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=3416#.UGrvj0ZQjkY
with all the threats to humans like global warmation, over-population, corruption of the food chain, etc. the one I think will be most likely to cause human-wide catastrophe would be nuclear. I don’t think the humans stand a spit-on-a-hot-griddle’s chance against that baby.
well, I gotta admit that I’m looking forward to that there superweed situation….
Flatus
Last year the wife was working with the railroad group. She pointed out that Mr Buffets railroad was about the only railroad that had capacity to expand and with widening of the Panama canal they stood to benifit with the growth of Houston as an international port. Mr buffet is going to ship a lot of freight to the markets in the middle of the country.
Jack
One other thing, have you noticed that the lowly boxcar is on it’s way out? I hadn’t either until the wife pointed it out.
Jack
High Food Prices Forecast More Global Riots Ahead, Researchers Say
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/09/20/161501075/high-food-prices-forcast-more-global-riots-ahead-researchers-say
LCL shipments are made for trucks--get rid of the boxcars!
If Mittens has his way, there will be higher out-of-pocket healthcare costs.
That means there won’t be much discretionary spending.
More & more income will go toward food & medical. That just slowly crushes everything else.
Mittens just has to keep showing how clueless he is about the lives of most Americans.
My choice for today’s Christian Science Monitor cartoon…
BlondeW…
I too will boycott products if they are easily replaceable. Such as… when I found out it was part of Koch Bros. Industry, I replaced my Brawny paper towels with Bounty.
I have been an avid Patriots fan for over 40 yrs. Everyone knows to leave me alone on Sundays from Sept. -- Dec. To boycott them over a political disagreement for me would be the equivalent of biting off my own nose to spite my face. Life is short… I ain’t doing it.
sturgeone says:
10/02/2012 at 12:47 PM
well, I gotta admit that I’m looking forward to that there superweed situation….
me too
BW and Renee,
I almost had a heart attack when the talk turned to the Koch Bros and Brawny. For some stupid reason, I confused Brawny with our house brand, Viva. All is well, all is well, sigh.
I’m glad I read your post, RR…I had my nose in my hand…
super weed aka dandelion
Johnson grass
Now there is a super weed, round up just knocks it back and cultivation spreads it.
Jack
As little a an inch long root from Johnson grass hanging on to a cultivator can spread it to the next field to be cultivated. And it produces seed heads and can be spread by animals.
Jack
Bamboo, another super weed, plant bamboo and try to get rid of it.
Jack
Hey all, I’m gonna do my debate live chat here tomorrow night starting 8:45pm EDT. Hope everyone can join in. I will post a fresh thread at that time for the festivities. I’m fairly sure your comments will be way more entertaining than the debate itself.
Burmuda grass, it will grow across a sidewalk.
Look at that. Every now and then even the boneheads in DC manage to do something constructive.
http://www.joc.com/washington/congress-passes-military-commercial-drivers-license-act
Wont get any press but this is something that can actually make a difference to both our servicemen and industry. kudos…
Whisky,
You are right with Houston and rail. I’m about 30 days out from completing a rail spur connection at my new cargo terminal in Houston which connects to both BN and UP…….fingers crossed
Romney could throw Obama off balance if he “attacked from the left.”
He could criticize Obama’s TOTAL lack of support for public sector union workers in Wisconsin and the Chicago Teachers Union, who went up against, and beat, Obama’s own anti-union thug, Rahm Emmanuel.
Romney could say, “I thought Democrats supported unions.”
But such tactic would probably never occur to Mitt or his unimaginative, rightwing, robotic staff.
Mittens path to the White House likes like one of those Halloween Corn Mazes
Yes, the US economy stinks, but we still lead the world in high-tech start-ups, right?
Maybe so, but not for too much longer.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gvh9tnkGdbs0XpZQdfWDv0nh0Xag?docId=CNG.fe8389a469d08e2e0f293106d4d05f37.261
Rebel Ren…Bad news! Brawny is another Koch Bros. product. They own Georgia-Pacific, so they own a number of brands of paper towels, napkins, and tp. It’s not easy finding non-Koch brands, but it can be done. I read somewhere that Darcy Burner had created an app for detecting the folks behind the brands, but that it hadn’t yet been picked up for full development and implementation. I hope it will be…I want that app!!!
Another thing to watch is carpet…the Kochs own a number of brands. Their nasty old fingers are in a lot of pies.
Jax, I was at an ammo battalion at QuiNhon on the coast of the central highlands of Vietnam. We were supplied almost entirely by Victory ships. Sometimes we had upwards of three dozen in our harbor far out stripping our ability to offload them and clear the harbor.
I had the chance to go out on a boarding party for one of the ships as it arrived one evening. The captain shook our hands and turned us over to the first mate who led us of to his office/cabin. The most memorable part of that was the closet full of Heinekens. He did offer us some which we of course accepted.
Off-loading the cargo was physical, dangerous work with the pallets of ammunitions being coaxed into cargo nets then hoisted out of the holds and lowered into the landing craft bouncing along side.
If the cargo on a ship wasn’t on our priority list, it might be stuck in the harbor for weeks. The civilian crews made BIG bucks!
The actual offloading of the ships and transporting of the ammunition to our facilities was done by Transportation Corps people. They had a hard job and were under appreciated. We went out to the ships upon their arrival to make sure that efforts weren’t wasted by not off-loading the most needed cargo at any particular point in time.
HW,
I don’t want to hear about “their nasty old fingers are in a lot of pies.” I just clipped a $1.50 Mrs. Smith’s frozen pie coupon. And, in my mind, I already have a deep dish apple pie baked and ready to head to the table with a great big dollop of vanilla ice-cream smack on the center of my piece. The rest of the family will have to fend for themselves.
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Be Obama.
Jack -
The Sun Times article is interesting in that a hurricane wanders up the whole lower valley made a loop and wandered back down to the Gulf taking 10 days to do that, and the River at St. Louis is at the lowest level of the year. And that record dry belt seen in British Columbian, runs all the way to the Great Lakes. So the upper drainage isn’t getting better , it’s getting drier. That says a lot about this drought .
http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/
koch bros own flint hills, formerly called koch petroleum, but since people discovered their baleful influence, they changed their moniker. flint hills is the parent of georgia pacific, the producer of brawny and northern tissue besides lumber and plywood. flint hills has strings of gas stations under different names that all have the blue planet logo in common. The blue planet logo is an underhanded and sneaky attempt to mislead people into thinking that the company is Eco-friendly or even pro-Democratic.
The Face of Climate Change: Walloped Wildlife and Flowers in the Colorado Rockies
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-ellen-harte/the-face-of-climate-chang_b_1921611.html
Steven Pearlstein in WaPo: A Manifesto For The Entitled :
http://www.washingtonpost.com/2011/02/24/ABPqBzI_page.html
If such things as toilet paper and diapers are Koch products, but they perform well, I recommend their continued use. And each time the product is used, smile and say “Koch Bros stink!”
Several stunning pictures , including what Mary Ellen writes about :
Flatus…civilians did indeed clean up financially in Vietnam during the 1960s and 1970s. We’d always see many RMK Construction workers around the Nha Trang USAF airbase, always paving and building structures. They made tons of cash from the US government, they had new American cars shipped over, they had fast Japanese motorcycles…the younger men had very long hair to make sure no one mistook them for GIs. One young man was speeding in the town of Nha Trang and offended a local Vietnamese national cop. The cop shot him in back and killed him instantly. I had the chore of policing up the body with my ambulance. A bad day.
Mary Ellen Harte -- Biologist
50% of the Great Barrier Reef lost in last three decades.
Man the History Detectives tonight is some of the best TV I’ve ever seen . ……
Video: Season 10
Vietnam Diary Preview
http://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/video/2278232039/
Blizzards are now regular and bad enough that they will get names just like hurricanes and Monsoons … Enjoy the snow
Jamie -
There is much evidence that the starfish out breaks are related to warming temps, and ag runoff from the farms in Australia. Like pine bark beetles , pests gain the upper hand first in this warming world. Burmese pythons, sage brush, and Asian Carp fit that bill as well.
The “winners” so far.
LOL, Flatus! I think your pie is safe from Koch fingers, but watch out for BiG Ag!
I respectfully give different advice, however! While I’ve consoled myself with the thought of what I’m doing while using Koch tp, I MUCH prefer not putting any pennies in their pockets to continue trying to destroy this country! Seek alternative products! (I’ll be putting slate in my family room in order to avoid Koch carpet.)
A word about other things like that .
Blonde Wino has just lived through the hottest and driest 2 YEARS in the record book in New Mexico, Jamie and Rezdog have just seen this :
http://www.weather.com/news/september-record-dry-hot-extremes-20121002
Anyone stupid enough to believe that this won’t kill trees in these forests, needs to look at this picture of Idaho shot from the Int. Space Station :
http://www.redorbit.com/images/pic/65230/central-idaho-wildfires-100212/
Like the peat fires in Moscow in 2010, this kind of smoke lays on the ground for weeks, and kills old people and little kids with bad lungs.
This sinkin’ High Pressure System was over me and the Mexicos last year , it never ever really went away, it just drifted North and West.
Scott Brown Names Scalia as Model Justice, Crowd Explodes [Video]
by Taylor Marsh
Not a nice man!
Tonyb
Sadly Scott thinks he is a nice man
And our friend Xrep up in the Twins.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/updraft/archive/2012/09/70s_return_mn_drought_deepens.shtml
Back to the “early winners” algae in fresh water lakes along the Canadian border.
http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20120927/news/309279987/new-toxin-producing-algae-found-in-anderson-lake
There’s good chance you & your grand kids can be poisoned when you visit the swimming hole now. James Inhofe, the great igloo maker was poisoned last summer doing this very thing.
If I was Carl Rove, & cash was coming out of my ears, what would I do ?
I’d launch a malware attack using Russian gangsters, Tom Delay met, on every left wing site on the web for the next 30 days.
Think Progress is under just such an attack.
Bob
what I saw in the article was a reporter who was so ignorant of fluid dynamics that mhe believed shit runs up hill. Maybe the paper hired him because he is also ignorant of the fact that payday is Friday. If so then they got what they paid for.
Jack
My friend Larry was assaulted last Saturday Night as he locked-up the Gallery, just one punch out of the blue . Blind-sided him .
The Texans are freakin’ out about Obama .
And the trip to the United now is really becoming creepy. And I’m 63 year-old- gringo-man alone in the East Lubbock barrio.
I’m still 6’3″ and look like I will shoot your ass. But I also say yes sir, and yes mam to everyone.
Jack -
I was watching that closely , would a truly slow moving hurricane end our drought, and raise water on the water level on the “Greatest Inland Shipping System” in the world ?
The answer is no, if one looks at the river gauge at St. Louis .
Jack, the Arkansas River is dry for 300 miles across Kansas, now. That means nothing from the Rocky Mountains is crossing Kansas. The South Platte is the same way in Neb.
“Image the opening scene to the ‘Sound of Music’, in Elko, Nevada”.
Jack -
Some local news for you too -
It seems the locals in Kansas are pissed because the Corp of Engineers have bled Kansas water to maintain barge traffic on the Missouri River , as it’s barge traffic crashes over the years. Making the river not worth navigating for the barge owners? Ever lower water levels, coming from Montana. Except last year, A record all time flood on the River.
Back to the downward spiral of ever warming & lessing water coming from Montana
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Welcome to the future Copernicus.
Edit: Don’t think it matters ? When water temps reach 100F degrees in the Missouri, the power plant between KC and St. Joe will have to curtail production , this will be during triple digit heat in your yard.
Bob
Please explain how a system that dumps a shit load of water down stream of St Louis and next to none up stream of Saint Louis would raise the river at St Louis? unless of course, shit flows up hill.
It’s a miracle
Jack
Jack -
Wait till your trees start dying.
Don’t come here and cry.
bob
before you explain the current drought, maybe you could explain how the previous 50 years saw none after the 50 years before that saw 3 multi year episodes of them. Why did they go away? Global warming maybe?
If this drought goes on for 10 years will it be a natural phenomenon will the great plains return to the Great American desert that the travelers to California and Oregon saw in the 1850′s?
Recently read a scientific paper that claimed that prolonged drought may have had more to do with the decimation of the plains buffalo herd than hunting did.
Jack
KGC,
I’m sure he does,ugh. I thought he was a reasonably nice Republican till i saw his snide arrogant behavior while debating Elizabeth Warren. Wow, both debates he has to push this phony issue regarding Elizabeth’s heritage although this time he was aided and abetted by that “drama queen” David Gregory..I’m curious what Kathleen thinks of him? I hope Elizabeth wallops him..
No Jack , it when up into Arkansas, then moved across that shit hole you call a state, and into the Ohio Valley and when down the East of side the River.
Jack -
Don’t be a pure denier, & type with your dick.
Barge traffic on the River is not getting better. The River moves distillates , bulk cement, sand and gravel, fertilizer, petro-chemicals . And very large objects that a rail roads can’t carry. And if you think all the coal on the river going over seas ? Look at a map of all the coal plants in the South on rivers that handle barges. All build with other people’s money.
Jack -
I hauled wheat into Lewiston Idaho the farthest east port on the Pacific Ocean.
The ‘intermodal container’ had killed the boxcar 13 years before.
The boxer car died 25 years ago.
welcome to the party, Copernicus.
My log books are 5 feet from the keyboard.
As the bulk of Pentagon expenditures goes to protect the flow of oil around the world, and sometimes prevent the flow (Iraq 2003 -- 2009 & Iran presently) the DoD budget could reasonably come from a tax on the sale of rock oil products.
Using the puguglican tok point about Medicare as a metaphor, we can say the Pentagon is unsustainable, because even a $20/bbl tax won’t support the spending.
HAHAHAHAHA
Over the Lolo Trail, ……. 4 times with a 53 foot van. Hands down the most amazing drive in the country. The Clear Fork flowing to the Pacific. You’re ‘Lewis&Clark’ baby , it’s cool , like the ‘Knife River Villages’ where they found their female guide to lead the way West. And din’t pay her “zinger” for her services.
But I cried when I got to Ft. Benton, Montana , head of navigation the Missouri River. It is the most beautiful spot to read historical markers. You can see the whole river and where the landing / town was . The markers cover the whole 19th century. Your are 200 feet above the the river. You have to stop at this palace to see it , if one stays on the road , you have no clue the river is that close in a 200 foot canyon.
Today , Ft. Benton may be a boom town again, just like when the ” Far West” was steaming up from St. Louis.
The off load -
“Bull whackers soon left the river, bound for every point on the compass, with much cursing and cracks of the whips.”
Speaking of moving freight. You had to unload firewood off your carts first onto the steamship. Then you got paid for the firewood and you lumped your freight.