Nobody wins this presidential race because nobody is trying to win by winning, but instead by making the other guy lose. Both President Obama and Mitt Romney are simply trying not to lose by portraying the other guy as a loser.
This race is about as authentic as WWE’s Monday Night Raw, a theatrical exchange of punches – but without the agreed upon outcome.
Obama is floundering because he seemingly has no agenda for a second term beyond the status quo.
Romney has multi-tasked his proposals beyond recognition.
Both offer nothing other than “I’m not the other guy.”
Which leaves partisans on both sides with no choice other than a choice they don’t like. And undecideds besieged by pollsters, and TV viewers in battleground states disgusted by multi-millions spent on negative ads.
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Woo Hoo
Oh I think Romney is trying to win. Obama is floundering as he is facing the real world without a veil of protection for the first time in his life. You are correct he has no new agenda and he did not deliver on the first agenda. If Obama had a positive record this would not be a race. The Obama Nation is not sustainable.
They offer more then I am not just the other guy.
If you want everything controlled by the Federal Government vote for Obama.
If you want to release the power of the American Innovation which will be sustainable. Vote for Romney.
The Choice is clear…..
I think on social matters they may really be close other then Mitt does much more in the personal giving by large multiples.
The October Crash -- how will the VP’s perform?
Craig,
Excellent post and so true.
Hi Ping,
Thanks for your posts and i enjoy reading your thoughts. Oh god though you have lost me, how can Obama be GWBv2(which i agree with in many ways) and yet you say he’s this big government guy, ha his government is as small as Eisenhowers..http://www.taylormarsh.com/blog/2012/10/obama-has-added-to-lack-of-faith-in-institutions-and-democratic-governance/
Sorry Ping, but your empty suit is not offering shit. A major foreign policy address that comes off as “what he’s doing but more of it, blahblahblah.”
An economic plan that took a 180 over the last 3 months on tax policy (to the extent anyone can divine what the hell his tax policy will be) and still offers no details about how the revenue neutral “lowering of the rate and broadening the base” while increasing military spending will be paid for (but we know, don’t we -- there just aren’t enough loopholes that affect only the wealthy to close to pay for it unless the estate tax exemption and capital gains tax rate go away, home mortgage interest, charitable donation and state/local tax deductions go away, which will disproportionately affect the middle class). And even with those changes, there arguably won’t be enough savings to recoup the lost revenue from the rate lowering he promises.
And the prospect of a Supreme Court that with one more RW appointment will reverse 40 years of progress for women and men under the guise of reversing Rowe.
And that’s not to mention his pledge to repeal the ACA (which of course he’ll never get the chance to do unless the Senate flips) and plunge 30 million folks who will have an opportunity have health insurance they don’t have now back into the ER as PCP revolving door.
I ain’t buying what he ain’t selling.
And as much as you’ve got to hate to admit it, even your empty suit has said the economy has made progress under Obama, just not as fast as ES thinks it should have. But unleashing the power of the private sector without explaining how he’d do that isn’t a persuasive pitch.
So if he can’t sell me on HOW he would change things why should I buy the new shiny object?
Just a couple of examples of Rmoney’s strong, principled foreign policy positions. He’s now echoing Hillary’s Palestine position. Guess he’s seen the light? Jeez.
Read the headline & thought, The Who are running for something?
“Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, won’t get fooled, again.”
Is Obama agenda-less because he doesn’t want a 2nd term? I always thought he wanted to win the office, but didn’t actually want to do the job. Then again, he ordered Seal Team Six to pop you-know-who.
He could save so many lives & so much money if he would just draw down from Afgh sooner. Cyber-security is more important, safer & less costly than wasting lives & resources on those miserable, little putzes in the ME.
And, trickle down doesn’t work if the water can’t get to the roots.
I dislike Queen Ann & the entire pack of boys more & more. Not a fan of Lyin’ Ryan’s mommy, either. Personal appearances may fire up the base, but I find R/R less likeable by their personal associations.
It shoulda been Hillary. It’s not. I will stand by BO anyway.
My reaction to the latest polls was that the Pollsters needed the horse race as much as the media … That’s where the money lives. No horse race, no buyers.
What Blue Said
I vote for The Who.
Looks like the boys are touring in November.
Telnaes.
It is a sad note when you have put yourself in a position where a single decision by a supreme court judge can bring your world down. Maybe you need to change the political debate further down the line. Like starting with your local school board election and working your way up.
You know, like your nemesis the religious right did.
All politics is local.
Jack
Happy Birthday John
Jack,
Have to give you that argument. In 1980, the evangelical hard right started to take over school boards. It has taken them 30 years of bible thumping to destroy schools, hospitals, and the economy but now that they have succeeded, we all get to pay the bills.
Jack, I assume that was a shot at me. Your assumptions are wrong.
Roe is an example -- the one that the right has been hammering for 40 years to reverse. There are others I would see coming before the Court, but there has been a relentless attempt to get cases before the court to overturn Roe, funded in part by the religious right, in the attempt to protect the “right to life” at the expense of a woman’s right to privacy. Fundamental decisions at all levels matter -- Supreme Court decisions affect a bit broader cross section of the country than do local Bd. of Ed. elections, so it seems appropriate to me to consider the ramifications of the presidential election.
As the only WV resident here, discussing the merits of our local Bd. of Ed. or county commission or even gubernatorial election probably wouldn’t mean much to mixers, so why would I discuss them here? But I vote in those elections, too.
How to Become a Statesman
By George Washington Plunkitt
Pogo
Nice that you vote but your opposition is doing more than just voting. They are finding good candidates that move right on up from local school board to county, to state and federal. It is the Sarah Palin route and they are out there in every state and every community. The left has no comparable effort going on.
Jack
lol
From the number of thumbs up to Pings post there must be a lot of silent Republicans out there.
Jack
Jamie
From a political strategy pov you have to give them credit for their political smarts. They identified their opponents strengths and started working on them. they have mostly succeeded in eliminating those strengths.
Jack
Jack, that may be the case, but it is not the case here. There won’t be any rising stars from our little county in the opposition party as you call it. The closest thing to that could be John Raese -- who has tried and tried unsuccessfully since 1984(mainly on his own nickel) to unseat Dem senators and governors. Our state reps and senators from this district are all Dems.
Regarding this year’s attempt, “Raese was unopposed in the Republican primary for U.S. Senate garnering 61,289 votes. He will run against [Joe] Manchin once again, who received 80% of the Democratic primary ballots, a total for him of 119725 votes.” (Wiki) Upsets occur, but you do the math.
Two of our 3 US House seats will be filled by R’s -- as they are now. I vote in one of the districts filled by an R. Shelley Moore Capito is the only WV Rep who has any seniority or standing in the house, having been there since 2001.
I get what you’re saying, and I spend a lot of time following our state races, but on a political blog with nationwide participants in a presidential election year with a presidential election tickler, what I post here will be in the context of the national election and what I see as the broader implications of electing this or that candidate.
When it comes to our local elections, I know most of the candidates or know someone who knows them, and I take the policy of voting for the ones who have a decent head on their shoulders and voting against the assholes -- and I don’t give a damn which party they claim to affiliate with.
Jack
Unfortunately, they destroyed the country in the process by aligning the right wing white man with the oil rich and inherited wealth plutocrats. It’s a shame the middle class created after WW II paid the price for the economic shift that has now almost taken down the global economy.
ping, what the heck is this “the American Innovation” you want us to release the power of? rethinking the constitution, the bill or rights, returning the monarchy and theocracy? or are you just nostalgic for the robber barons and going back to the good ole industrial revolutionary days with unbreathable sooty air, child labor and women who know their place?
cbob, thanks for that item on tepco’s lack of preparedness or foresight or whatever. reminded me of the proverbial
.
for want of the energizer bunny the reactor blew
patd.. The innovation that is Ford Motor Company, The innovation that is Apple, The innovation that is Starbucks.
This is a great country and it is the free enterprise and the Basic FUNDAMENTALS that are Strong and bringing the recovery.
Not the lack of efficiencies of the Federal Government. Yes there is a place and purpose for the Fed but not that which is envisioned by Obama. We will all go over the cliff if he keeps this Obama Nation in Forward. Forward over the cliff!
Round 2 this Thursday the 11th.
And for those that think debates are nothing more than political theater… tonight PBS (yes that PBS) is airing a 2-hr documentary on the candidates.
On October 9, 2012, acclaimed FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk (Money, Power and Wall Street, Top Secret America) presents The Choice 2012. This two-hour long documentary journeys into the places, people, and decisive moments that made the men who are competing for the presidency. Hundreds of hours of research and dozens of original interviews reveal new details and fresh insights about the two candidates — and our choice this November.
I’ll be watching.
Hmmmm, maybe there is something more complicated than cutting taxes to get the US economy moving. This ain’t good news for either candidate.
Let me add..
The innovation that is the independent trainer starting his own business. The innovation that is the awesome person that cuts my hair.(the little that remains) The innovation that is my favorite charity making a difference in a very efficient manner everyday !
The innovation that is Craig Crawford -- Hope you are not getting federal dollars.
Here, Jack; A Who song for Romney:
…and the only one I can think of for Obama, since he’s a Muslim:
Good analysis today, Mr. Crawford.
In California plenty of people act locally — of all kinds of political stripes
It’s unfortunate that the right is peopled with the likes of the Koch Bros who fund all kinds of things to make trouble on the local level (some of which are tax deductible which means you and I are paying for it.)
People who sit in their own bubbles take shots at others when they are woefully ignorant of the facts are just not worth engaging
Obama campaign ad goes Big Bird. Kinda funny ad, not sure how effective. Sort of thing you can do when you have money to burn..
Update: Sesame Street asking Obama camp to take down this ad
the deed is done…early voting started today!
http://tinyurl.com/9kfe2z7
Why doesn’t Obamarama call Rmoney a racist and get it over with — it worked so well last time around
I was raised as a Roman Catholic and public service was discussed. That may be why there are 6 Roman Catholic Justices on the Supreme Court. Yes I was elected to a School Board in the early 1970s, that was after I left the Catholic Church.
Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr -- Roman Catholic
Justice Antonin Scalia -- Roman Catholic
Justice Anthony Kennedy -- Roman Catholic
Justice Clarence Thomas -- Roman Catholic
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg -- Jewish
Justice Stephen Breyer -- Jewish
Justice Samuel Alito -- Roman Catholic
Justice Sonia Sotomayor -- Roman Catholic
Justice Elena Kagan -- Jewish
If it were up to Obama, he would just give the potus to hilary right now.!
He never wanted to be potus. All he wanted to be was to be a big shot 1%er with all the right contacts.!!!
Chicago politicians don’t want to govern…they just want to be “the boss” with the machine behind them.
Jack,
That is one great post….and don’t forget the armies of door bible knockers……they have them out 24/7 all year around….the bible thumpers bark at you to not vote for the d’s cos they abort babies (and like haloween more than christmas)….as almost all priest do at the alters…the fear of the lord is powerful stuff…
I don’t go to some partys that some of me relitives have now. They start it out with a prayer, they have a prayer at dinner, and one when ever the mood strikes them…..
But the biggest weapon that they’ve had is the Abortion and the gay issue.
They no longer have the gay issue due to so many of them getting caught being one of them.
What the Dems should do; is to find out how many R;s senators and congress, their staff, talking heads…………wonder if anne coulter??? had them….this would take this issue away from them maybe.
Paul Ryan gets testy here, aides cut off interview…
Purple,
Were thinking along the same lines again. Was not going to post mine…but saw yours………
We know Joe Biden will fight for us on Thursday. Obama never fights for us…no news there.
The Pew polls are not believable per the republicans. Oh wait, that was before they changed the sampling mix to limit the dems to 31%.
My state has done away with the “single vote for a party.” It was easy for me…republicans are such party poopers!
speaking of churchy things, last night ap wrote about mitt’s exalted position as bishop and i wondered what the protocol is on the appropriate address. do any of our misses manners or diplomats on the trail know, considering his present spiritual high office and his former public high office, whether it’s more proper to address him as gov willard or his reverence? maybe his highnyness (his heinie-ess or just plain heinous)?
“churchy things” LOL
For forty years I have watched white people in the middle class, a class that was created by “liberal” political values, walk away from these values to embrace “conservatism.”
Why? Because the upper class used racism to demonize the non-white poor, and to argue that “liberal” values were designed to provide “welfare” to lazy minorities. This allowed the upper class to systematically undermine the economic security of the middle class, all the while blaming the poor for causing problem.
And so today we see have ridiculous election, a choice between an African-American who benefited all his life from “liberal” values and yet seems almost ashamed to be a Democrat, and a sociopathic upper-class vulture capitalist.
Pat, not lolin at u, but with u….
Ohio overturns another gooper effort to suppress the vote.
Whatever you feel about Obama -- Rmoney and the goopers are worse.
All that bunk about “death panels” if Rmoney is elected many seniors will die because of lack of affordable care. And will once again be warehoused in nursing homes because the rich will need their tax cuts
Only someone who thinks their life is utterly unaffected by politics thinks there is no difference.
And of course that would be middle class+ white men who aren’t in relationships with women of child bearing age
Nash,
Right on bro.!
Craig,
Two great examples of the outstanding message we are getting from the Obama Nation on the stellar job of leadership over the last 3+ years. Striking the information provided to counter the Romney Ryan surge in October.
The Obama Nation is right in the thick of it calling people lairs yesterday and now the depth (actually pretty funny) of the Big Bird Counter attack. WT fudge? But it is clearly at their level. Once again the protection of Mr Obama is showing.
Did you hear the last response that he was STUNNED by Romney at the debate? Come on he is the President of the USA.
And please the overstatement of the Ryan reaction? Where was that fake Journalist taking the interview? Ryan did not over react -- He engaged. Watch it more closely at the end of the clip.
Is this all that they have to offer. Such childish distractions not good for anyone.
Gosh the depth provided by the Obama Nations’ campaign plan to take us Forward over the cliff is thrilling.
The choice for Romney becomes even stronger.
from political wire:
there must be a typo on rasmussen… a tie? for them, that means the prez is really ahead.
Rmoney demonstrates a lack of knowledge about farm regulations — Rmoney thinks he is Shrub
Nash, This should be taught in the schools….right along with religion classes imo….throw in science, get the teachers up to speed on all of this…debate them all in each class, and then we would be on the right road…like the liberals started for the middle class that u spoke about:
Thanks for the opportunity to post the following:
everyone should know Ten Things Everyone Shoauldb Konuowt a boutr Raacce e
1 Race is a modern idea. Ancient societies, like the Greeks, did not divide people
according to physical differences, but according to religion, status, class or even
language. The English word “race” turns up for the first time in a 1508 poem by
William Dunbar referring to a line of kings.
2 Race has no genetic basis. Not one characteristic, trait or even gene distinguishes
all the members of one so-called race from all the members of another so-called race.
3 Human subspecies don’t exist. Unlike many animals, modern humans simply
haven’t been around long enough, nor have populations been isolated enough, to
evolve into separate subspecies or races. On average, only one of every thousand
of the nucleotides that make up our DNA differ one human from another. We are
one of the most genetically similar of all species.
4 Skin color really is only skin deep. The genes for skin color have nothing to do
with genes for hair form, eye shape, blood type, musical talent, athletic ability or
forms of intelligence. Knowing someone’s skin color doesn’t necessarily tell you
anything else about them.
5 Most variation is within, not between, “races.” Of the small amount of total
human variation, 85% exists within any local population. About 94% can be found
within any continent. That means, for example, that two random Koreans may be
as genetically different as a Korean and an Italian.
6 Slavery predates race. Throughout much of human history, societies have
enslaved others, often as a result of conquest or debt, but not because of physical
characteristics or a belief in natural inferiority. Due to a unique set of historical
circumstances, North America has the first slave system where all slaves shared a
common appearance and ancestry.
7 Race and freedom were born together. The U.S. was founded on the principle
that “All men are created equal,” but the country’s early economy was based largely
on slavery. The new idea of race helped explain why some people could be denied
the rights and freedoms that others took for granted.
8 Race justified social inequalities as natural. The “common sense” belief in
white superiority justified anti-democratic action and policies like slavery, the
extermination of American Indians, the exclusion of Asian immigrants, the taking
of Mexican lands, and the institutionalization of racial practices within American
government, laws, and society.
9 Race isn’t biological, but racism is still real. Race is a powerful social idea
that gives people different access to opportunities and resources. The government
and social institutions of the United States have created advantages that
disproportionately channel wealth, power and resources to white people.
10 Colorblindness will not end racism. Pretending race doesn’t exist is not the
same as creating equality.
Independent
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pogo
Supply-side, trickle-down, “tax cuts increase government revenue” economics is a wish, not a reality. It’s never worked. Obama also needs to learn that lower taxes don’t generate more revenue. They generate deficits.
“Federal revenue is lower today than it would have been without the tax cuts,” Alan D. Viard of the conservative American Enterprise Institute told the Washington Post in October 2006.
Rmoney just has to get close to winning…his party will take care of the rest. Unfortunately, that is how the ground game is turning out. Sort of like 2000.
solar: Race is a “sociological construct.”
People BELIEVE that it exists, and that makes it REAL, in terms of influencing human behavior.
This is what Fox News does. They can make their viewers believe anything.
My hope is that one day, Fox News will announce that “Gravity is just a theory that needs more research,” and all of their viewers will jump out of windows.
Now matter how hard they try ..people still like Obamarama better poor ABC such a failure at humanzing Rmoney and it’s their own poll —
And the I’m a wonderful human being stories Mittens told were all about him not the people or events he helped --he had to tell us what to think because he knew otherwise it was completely unbelievable
Remember everyone no matter what -- as soon as the vp debate begins start tweeting that Biden is wiping the floor with Ryan he is elegantly aggressive (that’s a tag line from a car ad) he has come armed with facts and a sense of humor and he is taking Ryan to school
Who would you want a heart beat a way, Eddie Munster or
Thomas Jefferson
Nash,
Nash, I have two nephews that are great persons; both police, one a crimes (murder etc) big -shot detective; they both watch fox; and listen to people like Glen. Beck…..
I can’t believe what comes out of them sometimes, get into arguments about them being racial, prejudice etc…they…one of them when i catch them at it…..be comes embarrassed….
I have many friends that are republican…the are very nice…but are for some reason stupid when it comes to critical thinking about race.
When U point out the truth, which If they talk in front of me…they are sure to hear it.! They don’t know what to say most times…..THEY DO KNOW…is what screams out at me…but they are all about the religion issues….everything else is just camouflage….
It is difficult for me to see how Ford (very old industry), Apple (new industry) and Starbucks (new service industry) have been constrained by the regulations that the Rmoney camp claims have to be stricken to allow innovation to be set free. They seem to be doing quite well, thank you. I would think that Microsoft would be one of, if not the best, examples of innovation that makes the case that regardless of the regulatory burdens that have existed since the inception of Microsoft, a company started by two nerds in 1975 with 94,000 employees and assets worth $120B and equity of over $65B, an innovative product designed to meet a need will prosper. Regulation blocking innovation is a straw man erected to be struck down.
I can’t believe the goopers are getting their knickers in twist because the theory of what happened to Ambassador Stevens changed — their candidates’ positions change all the time what’s the big deal?
PiT, from what I hear from the ‘cants in this election cycle, Obama is a big tax, big government advocate who is trying to stifle innovation and tax anyone who is successful. I think you meant Rmoney needs to learn that trickle down doesn’t work and lower taxes don’t generate revenue. I think Obama needs to accept what you are saying as true, throw that in Rmoney’s face and back it up with the numbers.
Nash,
Thanks for the chat.!
Listen; I believe that is all about ‘justice and injustice’, and your choice of what U pursue:
Beautiful pursuits, leads to the getting of virtue, while ugly pursuits leads to the getting of vise no?…….later
Okay, here’s 2 questions for Rmoney:
1. If you want to help small business shouldn’t you advocate ending the Alternative Minimum Tax, that disproportionately affects small business by effectively removing the deductions they take for business expenses and losses?
2. Hasn’t your accountant told you that business expenses associated with moving a business’ operations is a deductible expense, regardless of whether it’s moved across the street or across the ocean? If not, you need a new accountant.
I’ve had my fill of Romney and Obama but because it’s Frontline will watch this tonight
pogo, have you ever noticed that most of the licensing and regulatory laws are pushed by or on behalf of business folk? some do it to protect their territory, some to manipulate the system to their advantage, some to guide trends their way and some as insurance against future innovations not their own.
yep, this is a straw man and it’s fun for them to rail against him but heaven forbid moves to open up competition.
Rmoney attacks Obama for bringing up Big Bird — it’s not like Rmoney has only mentioned Big Bird once — it’s been a consistent theme
he will get rid of big bird to balance the budget -- so now he’s upset because the other side is pointing out how foolish that would be
Patd, you nailed one of the little told and abiding truths about Washington called “regulatory capture.” It has many faces, but one is when big business lobbies to create regulations for their industry intended to stifle smaller competitors that, unlike them, cannot afford compliance costs. For a town full of insidious crap this is one of the worst. And of course the sick irony is that the same interests and politicians behind the regulations then go out and rail against over-regulation because it resonates so well politically.
The cable television industry embraced federal regulation
hey Craig… I already linked to the Frontline show this morning around 10:30ish.
and speaking of Big Bird, here’s my choice for today’s Christian Science Monitor cartoon…
About The Paul Ryan Interview, it is interesting how many times he mentions out of the blue “inner city”, when it was never mentioned. It is also interesting how a lot of the recent gun violence, which has grabbed the nations attention, has not been in the “inner city”.
I wish that were the only thing wrong with that clip but it has to be said…his statement “Obama hasn’t even asked for it” shows his view that everything is fine with this subject, talk to me after the Obama administration makes a statement on it then I’ll have something to say.
Cracker predicts
Wolf Blitzer is doing his part to make it a horse race to the end he is have Mittens on so he can help promote him
Blitzer’s face will be implanted on mittens butt at the end of the interview
pat, Craig, yes, I’ve noticed that. I think that the coal and power industries have the biggest beef -- they constantly rail against environmental regs in the form of regs to implement Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act and Endangered Species Act. And yes, those regs do place restrictions on their industries -- so that we can breathe and have clean water (and we don’t wipe out species on the brink of extinction). and they make power cost more. And I’m fine with that.
There are shitloads of regulations in the US -- but all regulations are required or allowed by Congress when it passes laws. The administration does not pass laws -- it writes regulations to implement laws. There is no requirement that Congress allow admin agencies to write the regs -- congress can do it if it chooses. It doesn’t.
Solar Crete -- The Ancient World did divide itself among “peoples”. The Ancient Egyptian mocked the “Asiatics” as a people who always fought with one another. They were mostly bedouins and were mocked for this, as well. This idea of nomadic peoples being lower than the “civilized” ones exists from the Amurru to the Huns. Each time they were called the same thing, cannibal barbarians for eating half-cooked meat. Let’s go to China now. The two Chinese civilizations were surrounded by different peoples that they saw as BARBARIAN PEOPLES. They had ugly words for each. Now that doesn’t mean this is justified. The reason I bring this up so near the Chinese is that the Chinese got their asses kicked by everyone of these peoples. Hell, their greatest dynasty was not ruled by their own Chinese but, by a barbarian, the Mongols.
Scary Fiorino why is she on anything
she was a horrible loser candidate and a terrible ceo
pogo,
I am using the tax revenue as a percentage of GDP. Granted the Great Recession of 2007-2009 and the associated unemployment have taken its toll, the percentage for 2009 and 2010 of 15.1%, 2011 of 15.4% and the estimated 2012 of 15.8% are the lowest since the 14.1% in 1950. Please note that the CPI-U adjusted to annual average of 2012 for 2010, 2011 and the 2012 Q1/Q2 average are each a record GDP from the previous year.
Corporate profits with inventory valuation adjustment CPI-U adjusted to annual average of 2012 are up 4.17% for a new record from the previous record in 2006. Since Obama has been in office the profits are up 50.94%.
From the Tax Policy Center
Historical Source of Revenue as Share of GDP
Source: Office of Management and Budget, Historical Tables, Table 2.3
Jason
I remember a history prof, who pointed out that when the Europeans explorers and the Chinese met each other both sides called the other Barbarian.
Now that I think on it they were probably both right.
Jack
I declare Joe Biden the winner of the debate
“Solar Crete — The Ancient World did divide itself among “peoples”. The Ancient Egyptian mocked the “Asiatics” as a people who always fought with one another.”
Sure, but did u ever read about some Greek calling an invading persian a cameljoky, the Aztecs calling the spaniards wetbacks, they all had tribes, ethnic backgrounds, yes and even slaves….but they never called them niggers.!
Not until the constitution was drafted, the then paid off scientist, the newspapers, all of those that wanted to make a non-white person inferior…they invented race….gimmy the greek “the blk male can jump hight then the white, cos the blks are built differently than whites”
Dr. Spencer found out thru dna that there is not difference in us cro-magnon……just that the difference of our skins, are a little color-dyed due to where we live in the world.
Same goes for all of those people that u talk about….the huns, the barbarians, the mongols…they all were enemies of rome….but i have never read any one of them being called chinks….or slant eyes…or whatever
Nomadic people like the Jews were never called Kikes? I don’t even know how to spell that…and won’t care to look it up…but they were only called that in modern times….thanks
Jack, funny.! Barbarian huh….that what cro-magnon said to the Neanderthal….just before they were wiped out…..
Mr. Crawford, I hereby declare, by the power vested in me by no actual entity whatsoever, that your 3:54 PM (EST) post concerning “regulatory capture” is the post of the day! On your own blog, no less. I upped my thumb accordingly, for the record.
Seriously, I think it’s an important issue.
Jason,
Thanks for the history about the Chinese…like it when u come around to talk about it.
“Huns. Each time they were called the same thing, cannibal barbarians for eating half-cooked meat.”
That is why they were so successful against the romans, and others.
That and their specially made saddles that they would use to stay in place while using their weapons from any position. This practice of nomadic life is still done today by some mongols……..but a little funny cos they use cellphones now …..
Meat was put under the saddle and between it and the horse…could be eaten while riding..like full barbarians…or half cooked, like 3/4 barbarians……the salt from the horses ass…sweat just kidding…..marinated the meat….they did a lot of harm to the roman empire thisa way …..
kgc…still laughing at your last post! Thanks! And may your call be accurate!
Renee, Tony,
I have been thinking about this for a few days….
Im pissed off at Romney s attack on PBS, and the big bird….thinking of voting for Obama just b/c of it….
To me this is more important than the wrong argument about the sotus…that is one hell of a scare tactic that doesn’t scare a lot of people anymore….but independents don’t like it one bit when u pick on my little kids bird.
Makes me want to sing:
its a beutiful day in the hood….its a beutifull day in the hood….many people grew up with mr R….
ps…will u be my neighbor?
“If you want to release the power of the American Innovation which will be sustainable.” -- the pong @ 6:10am
Obviously not the republicans who strain to protect the 19th century internal combustion engine from competition.
rmoney & company, picking winners and losers since 1980.
I originally thought 1980, but changed to 1968 when I remembered nixon & co’s hostility to seat belts, catalytic converters, reinforced roofs, safety steering wheels, yatta, yatta, yatta.
But of course, the big damper on innovation came with reagan, who saw government’s role in business as simply to stifle innovations that would threaten Big Oil.
“The innovation that is Ford Motor Company…. The innovation that is Starbucks.” -- the pong
Transforming the world with heated cupholders. Big deal.
Solarman… el Diablo…
hell ya I’ll be your neighbor… now I want a margarita… or at least a Bud Lite w/Lime…
well Jack… if Tom Leher is what you want… then Tom Leher is what you’ll get…
Jason,
Apparently the Incan, Aztec, and Hopi Civilizations viewed the surrounding nomadic (and even sedentary) tribes as barbarians.
The Greeks viewed non-Greek speakers such as the Thracians as barbarians, too. The Athenians and Thebans even called Macedonian and Cretan Greeks barbarians.
The Amish view of the Anglischer, ditto. The Khmer view of the Vietnamese. The Viet view of the Frenchman.
In fact, it is universally recognized that the other guy is always a barbarian. And vice versa.
Solar, wrong argument about the SCOTUS? The intent is not to scare people into voting. The intent is to inform them of what IMHO is the most lasting legacy of any President who has a chance to put a justice or two on the Court. I remind you that the justices who are of an age to retire are RBG & SB -- two of the dependable liberal justices and AK, the swing vote in most cases that are 5-4 decisions. All except Ginsburg (’33) were born between 1936 & 38. Scalia is also that age but that irascible sonuvabitch ain’t going nowhere. In truth, Ginsburg is the most likely to go in the next 4 years -- replace her with an Alito clone who’s 55 and the balance of the court is set for another decade. The consequences of appointments are real. Two words -- Citizen’s United.
YeeeHaaaaw, its margarita time……where is jace the ace? that boy is never where he should be huh?
Im sitting next to Renee: no one is going to mess with us…she be short…but mighty….
Renee,
How about a pleasant Sunday afternoon in the park?
Oh, and columbus was an Italian. He only became a naturalized Spaniard with his ennobling.
Just because a guy is a brutal, murderous, genocidal klepto doesn’t necessarily mean he’s Spanish.
The baptismal records of columbus’s parents, brothers and sisters are right where they’ve been for over 500 years, if only those lazy Spanish ‘scholars’ had bothered to look. They’re just like orly taitz.
Pogo,
Got U.! U coming for a margarita or what? irascible: I like a thread that i learn something from….i had to look irascible up….is that a shot at me?
“replace her with an Alito clone who’s 55 and the balance of the court is set for another decade.” -- Hizzonner Judge Pogo, @ 7:12pm.
I actually calculate the decade in question as lasting 25 -- 30 years.
It’s imperative to get Long Wrong thomas, teuton tony, and the unkennedy off the SCOTUS and replace them with a trio of 35 year olds: a Brennan, a Douglas, and a Marshall.
Craig, here’s why I think you’re wrong here.
If President Obama is weak on ‘new ideas’ for his second term, that does not equate to his opponent largely re-writing his own entire platform, based on polls, largely taken after the Democrat’s convention barely a month ago. And claiming that’s what it was all along!
If the press won’t boldly correct this then the president must.
On the other hand, even if you don’t like the Obama agenda, no one says he doesn’t tell the truth about it. Here’s my ad…
Mitt Romney-
HE’S LYING
1. PRO-LIFE, PRO-CHOICE, PRO-LIFE.
2. TAX CUTS ON THE RICH, THEY WON’T GET, BECAUSE OF ELIMINATING DEDUCTIONS, HE WON’T NAME.
3. FOR ROMNEY-CARE, AGAINST ROMNEY-CARE, AGAINST OBAMA-CARE, FOR OBAMA-CARE.
4. WANTS TO MAKE AMERICA SAFE BY GOING TO WAR WITH IRAN.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6Y8UYlqzRo8/UHRELxjtxSI/AAAAAAAABMc/_9LoN4YD9pw/s1600/liar.jpg
“Well there you go with the Etch a Sketch again Mr. Romney”
If I was President Obama, my ‘go to’ line for the rest of the campaign would be…
“Well there you go with the Etch a Sketch again Mr. Romney”
“Your past policy statements don’t poll well today? Shake it up!”
“Bills you signed into law didn’t poll well, so you shook it up, but now they poll better…Shake it up again!”
“Mitt Romney stands for everything and nothing. That may be a good quality in the advertising industry, but not in the presidency.”
From the first born: A really big bird
So this President is anti-business? I think not.
The Market when he was sworn in was IIRC somewhere between 6 and 7 Thousand. It has almost doubled since he took office. Profits are up exponentially and have had their best year ever for their stock holders and CEO’s so so much for the President being anti-business.
As for the SCOTUS we have the same Religious figures who also in another time and another place upheld the laws that were passed by Hitler’s Legislatures.
Catholics supported the policies of Hitler while he was committing genocide against the Jews. And the Catholic Church whom also helped smuggle Nazi’s out of Germany after the Nazi’s lost the War.
Roberts is Hitler’s Chief Nazi Judge and Scalia is a Fascist whose parents were avowed Fascist supporters and belonged to the American Fascist Party.
If $Rmoney wins fascism will take a firm hold on our Country and our Republic Free Democracy will die a slow painful death.
We can not allow ourselves to be complacent and continue to bad mouth our President. Their are a lot of issues I take strong issue with that has not been addressed by President Obama, but no matter how you feel about our President or disappointed in him you may be, we can not allow the Republicans to take control of the Executive Branch. They already have control of the House and Judicial Branch which gives them two legs of our Republic. To allow them to take control of the third branch will spell doom for all Americans.
You can either support our President or when we lose our Republic just shut the fuck up since you got the Government you deserve.
Have a great evening.
PS: Right now our Supreme Court is no different from the leaders of the Vatican’s Court that sets Religious Doctrine.
Champ, Yourlordship
I believe you only need one song to cover them both.
or maybe this one, for both again.
Ya saw this one coming? Right?
Solar, I humbly acknowledge being gotten, Irascible was not a shot at you -- but if the shoe fits…. BTW, make my margarita with 100 Anos -- it’s a great margarita tequila that won’t break the bank. Save the Don Julio for shots.
XR, I said a decade only because even Scalia and Thomas will be facing the inevitable in another 10 years or so. 30 years is about right for a SCOTUS member to hang in.
AP, I see the approach of the election is bringing out the old AP.
Enough politics
roll a joint, crank it up, irritate the neighbors, pretend your not damn close to collecting social security
Jack
Dixie Dove, your posts demonstrate Obama’s failure — his campaign only about bashing Romney. Nothing inspiring about why he wants a second term. I can’t think of anything new or exciting he’s said he would do as a re-elected president. If he’s undone, that’s why.
The latest Bond flick: The Spy who got Alzheimer’s
CC…I beg to differ with your 8:21….he has made it plain what’s at stake for his second term….
He ain’t said he gon’ do dis and he gon’ do dat cause it’s awful plain who he up agains’ but what a young man gon’ do but try?
People get ready there’s a train a’comin’…..it’s a hard rain gonna fall cause the times they are STILL a’changin’
I am an Obama democrat. 100%. Get on or get off. Romney is waiting for you. go.
I am voting for Obama because I prefer his view of the role of government especially in providing for essential services and for meeting the basic needs of citizens.
I also prefer someone who is fostering an international role that makes the US one among many equals
If Romney gets elected I know this shit is over. Nova Scotia here I come…if nova scotia goes down I jump in the ocean.
Farewell Voyager One -- A Human made object has left the solar system
I’m old enough to jump in the ocean and not get wet. One of the perks of age.
I want a president who thinks food, housing, medical care and education are human rights
Unfortunately the American public does not seem to want a genuine discussion of the issues. They (and the media hungry for advertising dollars) declare Rmoney the winner in a debate --and the only thing he won on if that was style points
I gotta hurrahs huzzahs to ol’ jack for bringing up my favorite politician, George Washington Plunkitt of New Yawk City…..not my favorite cause I agree with him or like that but because….just because.
http://craigcrawford.com/2012/10/09/the-who-loses-first-campaign/#comment-300355
pogo…
Hi pogo. No, I am still the same AP that everyone here knows and believes to be nuts.
I do not leave too many comments since most think me to be one step from the funny farm for my beliefs.
Why I still hang around is probably a mystery too all the regular TM’ers as well as me. Unlike all the supporters of the President who no longer comment here and left is I suppose because I really like Craig and find him to be honest and a man with a very high degree of integrity who acknowledges that even though my thoughts and beliefs may be beyond the pale to many are still legitimate.
Even now I still see many comments were many say that Hillary would have been a better President and would have some how been able to overcome the obstructionism of the other side of the aisle.
That is poppycock and if they were being honest with themselves they would admit it. There would be the same crap from the other side as President Obama has had and to believe otherwise is wishful thinking.
Hillary has done a superb job as SOS and in her own rite has been a great service to our country. If she decides to run in 2016 she will get my vote, but to diminish what President Obama has done does a disservice both to our country and too him while acknowledging the talking points of the greatest threat to our Republic and give legitimacy to the same political party that is destroying our country.
And no I will not be leaving many more comments than I have since no one really cares what I have to say.
You have a good heart and are a fine man, husband and father from what I have read and observed over the course of my time here. May you and your family be blessed and prosper.
Have a great evening and God Bless you.
http://craigcrawford.com/2012/10/09/the-who-loses-first-campaign/#comment-300335
Ha ha Solar,
Oh your too funny. Yes, even my dear co-worker Grace(working stiff 47% Republican) agreed today that Romney wasn’t being specific and that throwing PBS (Big Bird)out there as a cut was silly!
Ah, you voting for President Obama, well there’s lots worse things to do. I’m still on the fence probably till election day Obama or Green party,Stein/Hankala.
WhskyJack -- It is theorized Barbarian comes from a word meaning “babbler” so when you do not understand another’s language then it is all-babbling, anyway. Thus, the story of The Tower of Babel.
SolarCrete -- Each civilization has its own name for things. We do see them. Rarely do you get a professor not as polite as to explain what these words really mean. The Asiatics are frequently called by the Ancient Egyptians “Sand-Walkers”. That does not mean anything to you and I. But they are ugly terms for the peoples that would become Israeli, Saudis, Jordanians, Lebanese, and Syrians. There is a famous insult that occurs during the battle of Thermopylae where the Persians do not believe that the Greeks deserve to be killed with arrows. This shows a popular ancient stereotype that the Ancient Middle East outside of Egypt do not know how to fight with anything other than a bow. Chinese called the Japanese “Yayoi” which means midgets. This is a very ugly term that i had and still do have reservations about writing. These things do exist but in civil conversation we normally do not point these things out. We haven’t gotten any uglier or better. We are the same assholes that we always have been.
XRepublican -- City dwellers always do consider each other greater than the others. They only realize the sad truth when their villages are burning and are forced to pay tribute to the new leadership in the area.
Romney surges past Obama in second poll
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Hi Anon,
I’m awfully sorry you feel that way and i certainly don’t believe what i quoted to be true or that people here think your crazy.
I read every post of yours and care very much what you have to say. I mean i don’t agree with lots you say but isn’t that normal? Most here don’t agree with my stances as an Independent. I could easily feel out of place as i don’t practice this rah rah partisan politics anymore that you and most everyone here do for the Dems. Yep, i am a Liberal for sure and i am an individual as well, so are you and that’s A-OK, please don’t feel bad..I have talked with you personally on the phone and you seem like a very nice sane person
AP,
taking a peak before i go and turn, and turn and fall asleep just in time to get up, Im with Tony…..I like what u write….where else would i have learned that Romney is a freaking Bishop….and you from my hood no?
Jason….thanks I will think about that information…and it makes sense, we real are shits huh? towards each other that is….but my major bitch is about how we have marginalized so many modern people for the sake of sacking them (us history all of it, is full of examples)…..solar will do just fine, every one else calls me that….cept for that dude up in the upper mid-west state….where the bestes indpendent that ever was, was born…jessie the body V…….he has to call me mr. solarcrete…
Wow, presidential elections sure drive people nuts.
For that reason, I am thankful for political bumper-stickers, as they warn me that the operator of the vehicle is most likely a lunatic, and to be avoided.
I thought barbarians came from “barba” meaning beard.