Trail Mixers and guests live chatted last night’s Obama-Romney debate. Next in our Chat Room: Monday’s final presidential debate. Here’s a sampling of Tuesday’s chat (or see Full Transcript):
21:13 Oregon Democrat
Candy did not let R bully her..I enjoyed that moment..l
21:13 Blonde Wino
Rmoney is a bully machine.
21:17 Bear
Craig, Obama needs to let people know that Romney wanted detroit to fail so he could buy up for 2 cents on the dollar and liquidate them to make billions
21:20 Craig.Crawford
Obama walking away like that not strong body language
21:21 katiebird
When was the last time a Town Hall person asked a question?
21:23 Jason Fuente
I turn on the debate and the first thing I hear [from Obama]…”I screwed over the Environmentalists and I am happy that I did”
21:30 divalicias
I think Kathy Griffin should moderate the debates
21:33 katiebird
Too many numbers about the Governments budget and not enough about “What does this mean for us”
21:36 jozarray1
Thanks Candy for pinning Romney down on THE MATH.
21:38 Bear
Romney is looking for a long haired hippy to shave
21:40 jozarray1
Obama, please don’t be so repetitive on your points and anecdotes from the last debate.
21:41 Jamie
I’ve been a woman employee in a Mormon run business … welcome to the 1950s … Mad Men without the martinis
21:41 jozarray1
Rommney, “Binders full of Women”???
21:44 divalicias
Obama should just start singing now.
21:50 Katherine Graham Cr..
at this point. Obama should have said — Mitt you are under arrest
22:17 TMGuest Reuben
hannity’s head just exploded
22:26 Craig.Crawford
Obama has certainly reclaimed the stage tonight but still prefer the entertainment value of Joe Biden spitting nails, lapping them up and spitting them out again
22:38 TMGuest Reuben
obama seems too focused grouped to me
23:26 Jamie
Craig, It might not tilt the election, but Romney managed to piss off every single female in the audience. Even the GOP ladies will go into the booth and then lie to their husbands and boyfriends.
23:29 Barb Bissonnette
I’m going to be a Binder Full of Women for halloween
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1. Voter questions were good…
2. Candy did a great job…
3. The chat system worked quite well…thanks to Craig and others who made it happen…
OD, 3 good points. IMHO Obama took Romney to the woodshed -- not through the whole debate, but at about 3 or 4 critical times, including the end. Even when confronted with facts (following Crowley’s knockdown , Rmoney repeated the false line. I saw Ed Gillespie on faux for about 2 mins (I watched so you wouldn’t have to- but I have my limits) and he was not dancing in the aisle so with glee. They were looking for one or two high points for Bishop Would (Wood?)Be and were struggling.
Barb B -- Loved your Hallowe’en costume line: a binder full of women. Ha!!!
What ticked me off about Romney trying to look gyno-friendly was that in his world, only men do the hiring. The men are in charge of everything; the job-creators are all men. (Yep, what jamie said about the 1950s!!!)
The first guy who asked a question, Jeremy (whose name Mittens kept repeating -- there’s a difference between personalizing an answer & creepiness), ummm could you & others afford a college education under Romney? No need to worry about jobs if you can’t afford the education to qualify for a position.
While I don’t like paying tax on dividends, mine are minimal. The fact that something Mitttens wants might cast a net wide enough to include more than his class, well, it’s almost meaningless. A few crumbs to the starving people from the banquet table of the odious king.
Mitt was looking a little ill (wonder how the ‘baggers feel about green?), so I went to bed an hour in & missed the 47% remark.
It was a great night: The ex-half-governor’s-spawn was kicked of the dancing show (but not before she was the last pick to be on a team dance next week) -- that means no more mommy standing on the sidelines, trying to get camera-time!!!
and annoying me —
and then OBAMA SHOWED UP!!!
And Mitt really does seem to have something against birds!!!
Obama has his mojo back! Can’t tell you the number of times Rick and I highfived each other because of something Obama said and stuck it to Rmoney.
Thought Rmoney looked like a total fuckwad trying to bully Candy Crowley… so glad she stood up to him. Thought she did a very good job as moderator.
Good morning…I slept much better after this Prez debate.
Couple of items — Per Huffpo, Rmoney did shake Obama’s hand at the end…three minutes after the debate ended.
Hubby made me laugh before bed…He said, when Rmoney was arguing about “acts of terrorism” in O’s Libya speech, he should have pulled out that $10,000. and bet Obama!
Faux and CNN had body language experts…Faux, of course, thought Rmoney won. But, CNN’s expert mentioned he knew Rmoney lost by Ann(toinette)’s face. The expert said she looked ‘embittered and angry.”
A few weeks ago, CNN had a ‘bottom’ roll about Ann(toinette) stated, “Mitt has never failed!” When you make those kind of ridiculous claims, no wonder you are bitter when your man loses…all humans fail, once in a while. The rich and unrealistic.
Have to give it to Barack for the energy that he showed last night. Was engaged and attentive. Was on the Attack and kept the debate moving and disruptive.
So the Crash did not happen and the prelim is mixed but based on the energy level of Barack the first reviews give an edge. And he certainly feed the base who was looking for the slap down moves. He without a doubt feed the base and the MSM.
Romney also maintained his base so from this point it is a wash. And Romney missed so many opportunities to bury Obama. How can a President with this record be allowed to redefine the truth? Romney blew it from this point. Also Obama keeps talking about Romney and does not make it clear how he will be different in the future.
Now that it is over what do you remember? Was it style or substance?
What are the undecided voters taking away. When you move to this demographic it is much more mixed. And as the aftermath continues the Slick aggressive style of Obama will stick and the substance of Romney will have the effect.
Sadly Candy Crowley will become part of the story and her bias slipped out. Her statement to defend Obama on the terrorist attack was a disgrace and will become one of her most unprofessional memorable moments of her carrier. She and CNN are already back tracking this significant failure.
Let’s see how the dust settles and what sticks. Still to hot to measure.
Isn’t it great, Pong!
This time is for the repugs to go crazy after the debate. The country does not need a CEO, a bully on the international stage. Rmoney is thin on the diplomatic skills.
Candy is no Jim Lehrer. And the repugs will make her
eat her words…ask her to roll her truth back.
The day after the Libyan attacks, there was not enough intel to determine what happened. Just humanly impossible.
Rmoney ran his mouth before any facts came in…he is not clairvoyant. What a crappy display he put on…when the dead body count wasn’t confirmed.
Thanks for adding the chat room Craig. Last night I chose to watch the baseball game rather than the debate but I monitored your chat room to see how the debate was going. I was recording the debate but I opted for less stress. I wasn’t going to learn anything new from the debate and I could watch it later.
I’m glad Obama waited until the end to bring up the 47% comment. Good strategy. That comment chaps me pretty good. Some of us will depend on our entitlements but not because we didn’t work our duffy’s off. Some of us just chose to man or woman the lower paying jobs in our professions because we felt they were more important jobs. I worked at least a job and a half for most of my nursing career and continued to go to school. I easily could have selected better paying careers in my profession and made a hell of a lot more money but I didn’t. Even when I did, at the end, move into a better paying career option, the crap that was going on in the economy took a good bit of what I managed to sock away.
We can’t all have the breaks that people like Romney had but it’s not because we weren’t as smart or didn’t work as hard. I know teachers down here who left that profession to get jobs in industry where they made way more money but not because they were smarter or worked any harder than those who chose to continue to teach. There are just some of us who worked harder to be poorer because we felt what we were doing was more important and we were willing to make that sacrifice. We will need our hard earned entitlements.
ct…very well written. With Rmoney, it is all about money…nothing for the heart. He will destroy all of the ‘art’ in the room, suffocate the joy of being human…instead of a perfect CEO. It is the perfection thing that will bring Rmoney down…he lies to pretend he is perfect. Never fails.
Obama has failed, but I rather go with a leader who admits failure than one who sticks his nose in the air and looks away.
From last thread…
Let me repeat what I said earlier.
The President did not throw SOS under the bus. He took responsibility for the incident in Libya.
The reason I’m repeating what I said is for all of those who said that President Obama would throw Hillary under the bus.
HE DID NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I feel better.
Have a great evening.
From last thread…
The President took Bishop Romney remark which I too found to be very offensive about Libya and shoved it up Bishop Romney’s Ass and broke it off.
Have a great early morning.
And the last one from last thread…
I found the Presidents answer after Bishop Romney’s remark the best response that anyone could have given to someone who would use the deaths of our Ambassador and the other three Americans deaths for political points my highlight for the evening.
Have a great morning.
And as if there was any doubt Congressman Paul Ryan said that the President lied and that Candy Crowley corrected herself.
The Republican Party ticket is made up of two serial lying sociopaths. But then what else would we expect from them? True to the end liars the whole Republican Party lacks character and integrity.
Have a great day.
Rmoney’s arithmetic will never work out. Crowley even offered him a way out last night and he refused to take it.
His response was a high point for me. He was both arrogant and and condescending in his reply.He has come to believe that something is so simply because he says it is.
If I’m Obama I hammer the arithmetic in the swing states until the polls close on Nov. 6
Our school has been on a brief fall break this week.
Will go back into work today.
I will be checking my files for ‘binders full of women’.
Binders full of women = Mormon Joy Book
Stop him before he does it again. Binder Story another lie
blue, same tho’t crossed my mind. maybe hitchcock’s “birds” scared him at impressionable age.
hope fact checking looks at his put down of saving those birds and that someone will point out the importance to our own well-being that we preserve threatened species and their migratory runways.
MItt never failed? Unless you count losses to McCain (most recently) and to Ted Kennedy in 1993. He paid $6M (of the $10M raised) to buy the governorship of MA -- a state that he will not carry next month -- they know him and his capabilities.
BW
Good one … Somebody else watched “Big Love”
JHC. I love this from the Bernstein story:
“Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)”
Mitt apparently has never met a lie he didn’t love, and ultimately adopt.
Wanted.
Older successful Executive: Seeks binders full of women for good pay and some play.
Dial 1-800-Rmoney or go to our web site bindingwomen.org
Jace, did you ever get an answer to the link question you had?
i miss the staid and civil old debates put on by league of women voters. at least wish the return of the green, yellow and red lights that were in front of the candidates so everyone could see (and especially see the candidates see) when they go over time.
short of applying the hook or oscartype musicover, moderators have no recall against rude bully boys.
how about a pie in the face after 2 seconds running overtime? bet that would juice up the ratings.
I hope you do not disrespect woman like Bishop Romney and Congressman Paul Ryan do. They have shown that they believe that men should control womans bodies and their lives and that they should be at home in the kitchen bare foot and pregnant.
Candy Crowley is not only a woman, but a journalist of the highest degree of honesty and integrity just like Craig.
Sorry Ping…now your sounding like Bishop Romney and Congressman Paul Ryan whom both lack integrity and honesty.
My fact check gives you a Pants On Fire Liar.
Have a great day.
When Rmoney was bragging about the SLC Olympics last night and how he saved the day…he did with a big infusion of FEDERAL money. I wish Obama had pointed that out. And he protected the crooks who were involved in the scandal…one is his campaign guy in Wyoming.
So Poobah, we wait with bated breath for your analysis of the debate last night -- well, except for the chat entries you gave. We NEED for you to lay your opinion out so Ping can accuse you of being in the pocket of Obama. Love this:
“Her statement to defend Obama on the terrorist attack was a disgrace and will become one of her most unprofessional memorable moments of her carrier. She and CNN are already back tracking this significant failure.”
I call BS, just as Crowley did. It is disgraceful that a debate moderator calls one of the debaters on a bald faced lie. Absolutely dis-grace-ful.
Jamie…I enjoyed Big Love when I had HBO…I loved the opening of the show…the original with the planets to represent Planet Kolob…the newer opening of “free falling” with the wives in flowing dresses. Just a wonderful visual.
Ping…like Faux News isn’t disgraceful? Shameless?
To me, it was more of a disgrace to watch Lehrer get blinded and bained.
Pogo,
No the ‘fast and furious’ chatting took precedence over my techno naivete.
BW
I loved the show as well though I thought they copped out on the ending.
high light of the night, imnsho
“Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.” -- Napoleon Bonaparte
“Please proceed, Governor.” -- Barack Obama
gong show blast?
goucho duck falls out of the sky onto the offending candidate?
ping, as for ms crowley, she shoulda punched him in the face in self-defense when he menacingly approached her with loud intimidating argument.
Not even close. The President won in every respect. But, having said that, is it too late? The President’s performance last night is indicative of the fact that he watched the tape of the first debate -- and didn’t like what he saw. But the problem is while the President recognized his poor performance and corrected it, I’m not sure he appreciates (maybe he does now) just how that performance depressed the base. First impressions are everything and I wonder: Was it enough to not only stop Romney’s momentum but transfer it?
I suspect that the Republican base may be disappointed (perhaps not as much as Democrats two weeks ago) regarding Romney’s awful answer on Libya. Romney’s problem last night in a nutshell: He used the same strategy in a different format. He was not aware of his surroundings and the optics of his performance. It simply was as terrible from a visual and tonal perspective as the President’s was in the first debate.
bw, amen.
rmoney shows no respect for rules, for civil discourse or for the rights of others. he selfishly stepped on the remaining questioners’ opportunities and the public’s interest.
In case we didn’t already know: Where the candidates stand on the arts
jace, here’s the drill. (and 1 & 2 can be reversed -- it doesn’t make a difference which is done first)
1. Write, but don’t post yet, a comment here.
2. Go to the website you want to post the address to, put the cursor in the address block, right click it and hit COPY.
3. Come back to the comment here and highlight that part of the text you want the address to attach to.
4. Click the LINK button above the comment.
5. Put your cursor on the highlighted “http:/” line in the link box that pops up, right click and hit PASTE. Then click OK.
6. That will link the website address you copied to the text you chose in the comment. When you post the comment the website address won’t be visible, but the text leading to it will be blue.
Got it? Try it. It’s magic.
I need to comment on Hillary’s timing and excellence in her response to the Libyan crisis. Hillary, Bill and Obama may be that anachronistic saying — politics makes strange bedfellows. To me it was magnificent political art. All three are excellent and when they work in concert…I love the result.
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See, I followed my own instructions, monkey like, and it works.
Speaking of disgraceful. The Weekly Standard looks at 3 polls taken following last night’s debate, all of which say Obama won, and TWS determines that means it was a draw.
Wolfie was s’plaining last night about the scientific CNN poll where it was skewed by 8% more republicans than realistically are registered in the US. So, of course, the skewed poll showed Rmoney winning. It is a worthless poll, Wolfie. It represents polling ignorance at its finest. Part of the voter suppression plan.
Here’s another link were President Obama clearly calls the attack in Libya an act of terror.
Have a great day.
Even the WSJ called it a win for Obama…and you know that had to KILL their editorial page staff. When have they ever slanted anything in Obama’s favor?
BW
When the President took responsibility for Libya it occurred to me that it was a set up between Hillary and him. She takes responsibility for the buck stopping in her role as Secretary of State, he goes to the debate with “She works for me” and the ultimate buck stop. Both look professional and on top of the situation … Romney looks like a yapping puppy.
Rmoney supporters are looking for every excuse, the moderator, the crowd, the questions, the format.
What they refuse to admit is that Mitt’s wounds last night were almost all self inflicted. Not a sterling qualification for higher office.
Jamie — Rmoney is thin on diplomacy.
(PS I keep wanting to hit ‘enter’ to post my comments. This old dog needs retraining in the morning.)
Pogo, thanks for the tutorial I will try the magic and see if it works.
Just now however I am off to work in search of binders full of women.
Have a good one.
Jace writes…
Don’t forget the curse of Big Bird!
Well just took a phone call poll about last nights debate.
Not only did I say the President won, but also called his opponent Bishop Romney twice and that I found his remark about the Libya attack and bullying of the moderator very offensive.
If this was for a Democratic Poll they will be thrilled. If this was for a Republican Poll they will not be happy campers at all.
Have a great day.
Fact Checking the debate
Daniel W. Drezner, biggest whoppers in last night’s U.S. presidential debate
Mittens Hillary Text
AP, if that call was from a Republican Poll, your comments will never see the light of day.
i posted a much more readable version of our debate chat transcript
Hah! Jamie…HRC knows about the Joy Book.
Pogo, my take? Can’t think of much to add to my first debate analysis. Last night played out as I thought then: Obama Throws a Game
Patd, I link-buttoned the headline for article above, that long url was running off the page
Poobah, okey dokey --
: 
In teaching humans, there are 3 ways to learn…1) To read how to do it 2) To hear how to do it and 3) To actually attempt to do it — most humans employ all three. To learn the link trick, I had to print-out the instructions from the HELP at the top of blog and keep it aside of me. I learn from written instructions, first. And although many have posted “how to do” the link, it is lost when you are actually in the middle of preparing the link. That is what helped me Patd…and I just recently learned the link trick because the instruction did not disappear when attempting to copy the info because it was printed and aside of me.
Proof that WalMart sells everything
Jamie… LOL!
here’s my choice for today’s CSM cartoon…
Went and cast my vote this AM. I was one of only four people at our local election commission bldg. (where early votes take place, and which was busier than Walmart this AM) under the age of sixty in attendance, and two of them were not voting; they were checking IDs.
Y’all have a good rest of the election cycle. I’m off to finish up my Halloween blogs and to consult with my niece about starting a No Politics for the Holidays page on FB--
When I went to the Richland County SC admin building yesterday to pay taxes on Rosie, there was a sizable line of older black folk waiting outside the elections office.
By the looks of determination on their faces, I suspected that they would wait until hell froze over in an effort to exercise their franchise while excising/exorcising republicans from local government.
Just thought I’d check back in here before going back into my studio for the afternoon. Glad I did. The chat window pops up with the latest posting there.
Flatus… you said you thought the chat left as a normal daytime vehicle would dumb down TM. I couldn’t agree more. Chat is fine if one likes short witty replies in actual time. I, however, prefer well thought out posts.
And all one can see is the last 20 or so chat posts… it’s not like here where I can read everyone’s thoughts whenever it’s convenient for me.
So yeah… I agree with Flatus… this blog will lose some wonderful thoughts from some wonderful people, IMO, if the chat feature is left on all the time.
just my 2cents….
Flatus, RR — Comment sections won’t go away, no reason for it to change at all. Ongoing chat is a nice way to engage visitors (especially those intimidated by comment threads) and convert them to registered users. I think of it as the front porch for talking to passerbys, while Comments the living room.
sorry, boss. thanks for fixing the flub. it was a link and run. usually i check and correct, but was in too much of a hurry.
bw, thanks for the helpful hint.
My opinion on chat, “What ever floats your boat” I think flatus is right because that is the very nature of the beast. I have never been a fan of the chat format, that maybe why I have never been attracted to twitter either. It always struck me as chat rather than discussion.
So I say let the chatters chat and the posters post and as to those that swing both ways?
I’m not sure grandma approves, }
Jack
Head line and article by Jeff Greenberg hits it on the money.
Obama wins the second debate. Too bad it’s not the one that mattered.
I guess this is what Mitt will look like when he has a bad day at the office.
Presidential Candidate Arrested For Trying To Attend Tonight’s Town Hall Debate
Jack
craig, just make sure the passersby pick up after their doggies. hard enough getting thru the mine fields left by the candidates.
I must retract my nasty comment/thoughts about Candy; she did indeed do a much more evenhanded job of moderating than I thought she would. I’m surprised and humbled.
But, the committee’s choosing of a cross-section of the community in their selection of uncommitteds was indeed disappointing.
yeah what jack said.
rather be a blog slog than a chatty twit.
Re the photo in my 2:49PM
I hope the lousy collar fit isn’t because of his buying in bulk from his favorite neighborhood retailer.
flatus, am i being too naive and impractical questioning why no one’s bringing gen. petraeus into the conversation? is it a rock/hard place situation that acknowledgement of his involvement will make matters worse?
I’ve been known to drop witty(?) short posts on the comment thread, so I doubt that the chat could dumb down anything I might offer.
That said, I like to be able to break things into paragraphs so I can separate thoughts.
I see the chat thing as I see twitter -- not something I really use, but lots of people do.
pat, just my thought, but I think no one’s bringing Petraeus in because he was Bush 2′s Stormin’ Norman, and none of the ‘cant’s want to soil the reputation of someone who was widely regarded as a masterful commander by claiming his intel operation was a dud -- after all, some would say the intel buck they claim was poor may have stopped with him. And Obama isn’t going to try and fix blame outside his office.
“flatus, am i being too naive and impractical questioning why no one’s bringing gen. petraeus into the conversation?” patd@1513
Pat, I think because it’s such a phoney, politically driven issue that it doesn’t deserve a single second’s worth of honest time diverted from productive ‘God save our Nation’ effort. In other word’s, Petraeus would call Mitt a selfish GD fool.
thanks flatus for that saul loeb photo of what a real vulture capitalist looks like. mean and scary.
that loose collar confirms my tho’ts last night that he has lost some weight since 1st debate.
http://craigcrawford.com/2012/10/17/a-debate-to-remember/#comment-301504
Flatus, Was it ever conclusively proven that Romney marched off without shaking the President’s hand?
Jamie, I don’t believe it was.
Another wedding in the trail future --
Tom and Mauro marriage date: 15 February 2013. This will be done in Ghent, Belgium on a Friday morning around 9:15 am.
It’s so difficult to make something like that stick, eg, “The Bishop had to rush off stage because of a digestive emergency.”
As I am in a Deep Blue state, I could vote for Stein. However, having had personal experience with her running mate cherie honkala, NEVER !
I got this from a guy named Lynn Lindsey. I don’t know if it’s his invention, but it struck me as funny.
portfolio investment, n. 1: ownership interest whose stock share certificate you’ve never held, in assets you’ve never seen, in a place you’ve never been, conferred by someone you’ve never met, in a company you’ve never heard of, in a country you never want to visit.
Jamie, marvelous about the wedding. I can just see it now, ET and Mauro schedule Treaty of Ghent (2013), to be articulated in Roman, French, English, Italian and Flemish on 15 February a.d. 2013, the day following Saint Valentine’s Day. Joy to All!
When you are reduced to ebooks on fantasy political history it’s time to retire
Go SF Giants!
A sad announcement that we knew had to come soon: George McGovern admitted to hospice
Felicitations to Eurotom and Mauro —
please post photos or we could all skype
Katherine, The fellow driving my electric cart in Charlotte was originally from Brooklyn. He professed no interest in sports, but as soon as I started talking about the Brooklyn Dodgers, all that changed.
Congrats to ET & Mauro. Treaty of Ghent. LOL Flatus, your wit must either keep those around you in stitches or have their eyes rolling incessantly.
BTW, I read somewhere this morning (like a newspaper or blog or something) that Rmoney and the Pres shook hands about 3 minutes after the debate ended. Prolly took the Bishop that long to get hugs from the family.
No one is asking the correct question about Libya
The proper question would be
What the hell are we doing there to start with ?
Pogo, I made Stinky crazy! It was even worse when I started punning in Korean. She lost every bit of shelter she had.
“What the hell are we doing there to start with ?” mqw@1643
Hey, tell it to Stephen Decatur and the USMC.
KGC…
Rick used to go to a yearly conference in St. Louis. If the Cardinals were in town and playing a game, he, along with a few others, would always catch a ballgame. He’s rooting for the Cardinals.
I told him that my good blog friend Katherine Graham Cracker lives in California wine country and, of course, is rooting for the Giants. And I am too.
It’s the first time in 37 yrs of marriage that we are rooting for different teams. Man, I hope he loses…
lol
Reminding the world we have long memories and once you get on our shit list ………
It may have taken 25 years to get him……
Jack
MQW,
Countries that recognize each other exchange Ambassadors and sometimes consulates also. We recognize Libya, therefore we have an embassy there with attaches and security people.
The problem of the Benghazi incident may not be because we are “there”, but that we had too few security personnel operating with too little credible and relevant information.
Obama and Hillary were going to do Democrat regime change
Unlike republican regime change it was all going to be lollipops and unicorns
How is that working out ?
How do you define ‘lollipops and unicorns’ ?
The regime change was accomlished by the Libyan people, with help from the neighbors in Tunisia.
We merely leveled the playing field, by grounding the k-daffy air force and disrupting his communications and escape plan.
Human Rights Watch alleges pro-Gaddafi fighters, including dictator’s son Mutassim, were abused and murdered in Sirte
Peter Beaumont
The Guardian, Tuesday 16 October 2012
Militia forces from the Libyan city of Misrata executed dozens of detainees following the capture and death of Muammar Gaddafi a year ago this week, according to a new report from the group Human Rights Watch.
Almost 70 members of the former Libyan dictator’s convoy were abused and executed after Gaddafi’s own capture and death in the city of Sirte last October, the human rights group alleges.
The report – Death of a Dictator: Bloody Vengeance in Sirte – details Gaddafi’s final hours and includes evidence that appears to prove captured pro-Gaddafi fighters caught attempting to leave the city, including Gaddafi’s son Mutassim, were murdered.
Ya. So the point is what ?
The so called Libyan government is seen as US puppets and they do not control anything outside of tripoli ,
Probably have the life expectancy of a fat turkey ,
They might make it through thanksgiving , but I doubt they’ll see new years eve
I see when facts won’t do, snark will. Democrat -- Rush would be proud.
Well, off to LP’s soccer sectional game. Good evenin’, y’all.
As k-daffy’s bodyguard were combatants, but not uniformed members of the Libyan Army, it doesn’t rise to a war crime. As the bodyguard was composed of mercenaries from other countries operating in civilian garb, they could be shot as spies, and probably were.
As they were not killed by American forces, the most we can do is tut-tut from the sidelines.
The Texas Rangers did worse things.
1. The idea that the Libyan government is seen as a US tool is an interesting assertion. Got anything on that ?
2. The idea that the Libyan government does not control outside Tripoli is countered by the actions we’ve seen in the last week or so.
By comparison: apparently the Greek government doesn’t even control in Athens. Apparently the Syrian government doesn’t control outside of downtown Damascus. Apparently the Mexican government doesn’t control outside their Army HQ.
A linguistic shell game has been perpetrated here. It equates the Sirte militia w/the Libyan government, an assertion not in evidence.
Further, the equation was asserted that the US supported/supports the Sirte militia, which is also not in evidence.
Further, it is asserted that the above assertions belie President Obama’s and Secretary Clinton’s declared hopes in the summer of 2011 for a peaceful transition of power in Libya. Their words were in the nature of an aspiration rather than a promise that “it was all going to be lollipops and unicorns”.
The President and Secretary never said we, the US, would commit regime change in Libya. The charge that we did is incorrect.
Underlying all these insidious anti-Obama and anti-Clinton insinuations is a denial that the Libyan people were enraged by kdaffy misrule, kdaffy oppression, kdaffy imperialism, kdaffy family kleptomania, and the kdaffy family’s murders. Nothing can be further from the truth. In fact, outside of the kdaffy home town, hardly any native born Libyans rose to the aid of the bloody regime. The very fact that kdaffy military was elbowed aside by foreign mercenaries nearly 40 years ago should warn us against swallowing the lie that kdaffyism was in the people’s hearts. It was not, and probably had not been since the late 70s.
Thank goodness for the edit button.
Are you satisfied, Pogo?
xr
You’re on a roll--don’t stop now!
The title of the 50-page report is “Death of a Dictator: Bloody Vengeance in Sirte”.
Vengeance. That is what happened in Sirte.
It should also be noted that Human Rights Watch had previously tied kdaffy to blood diamonds, charles taylor, and the guerrilla army that amputated childrens arms.
After the first debate all CNN could talk about was the Rmoney win…now they are trying to spin the debate as a win for Rmoney without revealing each and every time that the poll has too many goopers by about 1/3
I don’t know who is worse Ashleeeeeeeee Banfield or Affront Burnett —
And bill oreilly is writing about the Kennedy assassination give me a abreak
Obama is still cleaning up on intrade and still ahead in Ohio
The media (CNN) is acting like Rmoney is the frontrunner
Jake Tapper looks like he has been born again
but you will just look really stupid on election day
XR
And what about Pat Robertson?
So the women’s binder wasn’t even Mittens idea
he very big on taking credit for lots of work done by others
Mittens Big Fat Liar — He would take credit for the weather but that would mean talking a position on climate change
XR,
RE your 6:48 pm
Excellent. Multi thumbs up.
You gotta’ love Joe Walsh.
He must be in real trouble.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
And now ladies and gentlemen, Live from the Grand ol’ opera performing their new hit single “Binders full of women” please welcome Mitt and the Muppets.
Decent people everywhere need to shun goopers and their warhawk rhetoric — Mittens and Mini-mitt would take us into a lot more wars……..
I wonder what they will think when they find out walking precincts for Mittens is not the same as walking neighborhoods in Aleppo
I think X-R is brilliant
From Jeane Schnitzes:
Three Rings to rule Them all
And and in the Darkness bind Them
I admire you, too, Ms Cracker.
Now there’s a rip up rumor I got from a beast named Bill Beckman, that says the Prez and Candy Crowley are having an affair.
Can’t wait for the Sunday talk shows and there is no more mo-mittum…
Jake Tapper will be back to be being a depressive and
Diane Sawyer will be shaking her shaming finger at America — after all let’s remember she worked for Nixon
KGC,
It may be too early and I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see a lot of poll movement coming Obama’s way.
I’m wishing it would come back by four or five points, but am guessing that it will be in the neighbor hood of 2. I’d settle for 2 points in the swing states and so would he. He needs binders full of women to break back his way.
http://occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com/diane-sweet/tagg-romney-wanted-take-swing-presiden
I guess that this is about close as any of the Rmoney boys would come to combat.
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Serving in a campaign is public service after all
Xrep
A little revisionist history there?
Obama sent the CIA in to Libya to aid and arm the rebels long before he officially authorized military action ,
Regime change was what the whole intervention was about
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