One result of the President’s re-election and his party’s continued control of the Senate is that Obamacare haters might as well shut up. You lost and you’re done.
For starters it means for certain we can’t be charged higher premiums for being sick, can’t be denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions and no more annual dollar limits on health benefits.
Health exchanges will now go forward, providing a one-stop shop for buying affordable insurance.
And yes, in 2014 every American will be required to purchase health insurance. No more showing up at the emergency room without insurance and sending the bill to taxpayers.
Whatever its faults, Obamacare will now be implemented for the next four years by the man whose name it bears, a man now empowered to fix it where needed without abolishing it altogether.
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Woo Hoo
Craig -- Typo alert: “…and the(n) sending the…”
yvette mimieux hoo.
increments
rats.
Even folks that I know voted Repub, like having coverage for their adult, un/under-employed children.
And if the GOoPers in DC can’t understand that healthcare costs are a big part of what is crushing small businesses, they need to have their heads examined. (I believe, we the people, provide them with top-notch, taxpayer-supported, medical care for such exams.)
The “happy warrior” on “Parks & Rec” next week.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/11/08/joe-biden-to-appear-on-parks-and-recreation-next-week/
sturge -- Yours was better.
fixed, blue, thanks
this might be the best election news of all:
Karl Rove pacs spent $200 million and NONE of his candidates won
all the superpac spending….goes to corporate coffers?
and then used to purchase elections.
Texas will be swing state in 2016, or so they say. You mean I get to be bombarded with ads because my vote will actually count? Oh, goody. ~Oh, goody.~
Campaign money is the only example we have of trickle down economics actually working; the ad money, the travelling, the signage, etc.
What Blue said about small business and health coverage
I am concerned about the republicans they all are having memory problems — Obama does better than Shrub who had “lots of political capital to spend” but Obama just squeaked through
Another Republican myth — that and the big lie they are telling about how Obama distorted Romney who is really the world’s most wonderful country clubber
oh no, it begins — Rubio going to Iowa next month for governor’s fundraiser
This is the only time that “trickle down” economics might actually work. The billionaires shell out big money to the super PACs and they spend it on local TV commercials and “ground games” where a lot of the money will end up going to the “you people” as Ann Romney would say
You would think after all the Republican lies and bullsh-t about how they were winning that the media would push back on some of the crap they are dishing out now.
Nicole Wallace on ABC --we just need to modernize our message and snuffy just sat there like a big lump
Kelley Ann Conway on Pursed Lips Morgan said that Rmoney never said he would cut off funds for abortion
hello — planned parenthood???? And old fat ass said nothing and cut off Cecile Richards when she tried to correct it.
There are NOT two sides to every subject that comes up
purple….I don’t think much of the ad-buy money trickles…i think it’s mostly re-cycled into corporate pockets. well, i guess some of it “trickles”.
If Mittens withdraws completely (which I expect he will do) who will get control of the goopers
The Pizza Pimp and Vote Stealer are going to advise the goopers on making inroads in the black community. The black Uriah Heep and Ken Blackwell the former Ohio sec’y of state largely responsible for the long lines in Ohio’s Democratic precincts
They might as well send Miss Ann Romney on her white horse
“Didn’t Shrub say after 2004 that he had a mandate and political capital to spend…Obama won bigger then Shrub”
Yes, and he acted on it immediately getting his agenda passed by both the R;s and the D;s.!!!
His tax breaks for the rich comes to mind.! How could he have passed something like that? with so many dems in office…..oh yeah, they passed it b/c they are just as rich and just as greedy.
Four years later Obama still hasn’t done anything about it.
Ok, lets not expect anything from our president…lets cut him some slack like U all seem to want to….for how long?
I don’t think that will be the thinking of all of the millions that lost their homes tho…U all seem to think that that was no big deal, just in the past, just some figures on a piece of paper. No there are still many homeless people due to losing their home while those that caused the financial melt down…..are they going to get a break also…..remember Obama promised to get the courts to help them.
Oh and are we going to let some time go by and see how Tim Geithner, and people like him are going to run the economy in act 2……this is real life not some game for most people.!!
He is my president, he won. I want him to act on his very first day like Bush did……
I remember that some on the trail, whenever there was a thread criticizing Obama…..they immediately said “don’t blame me” I wanted Hillary in office…..well lets see what they say now if Obama lets us down yet again.
Never too early to start handicapping 2016.
Christie/Rubio -- beats out Lyin’ Ryan, Rand Paul, etc. The etc is the real question. Can the more moderate GOoPers circle the wagons to keep out the loons? I can’t even come up with names for the etc slot, at the moment.
Clinton/Castro -- Biden SOS, at long last
Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!
We all need to be a part in this:
http://tinyurl.com/bdv3wlu
click on the blue where it says “mankind connected global teach in”
scroll down and click on the blue:
re gister For Mankind Connected: A Global Teach In Interactive
and also watch the series of “mankind the story of all of us”…..
imo these are the things that will go a long way to stop the HATE of others not in our tribe….later
1. How the six richest counties voted would not be as telling as the ten richest neighborhoods, villages, wards or precincts.
Does anyone know how Westlake, TX (ave household income $250k+), Kenilworth, Il (ave household income $247k), Popponesset Island, MA, Plandome, Hewlett Neck, Plandome Manor and Munsey Park in Nassau Co, NY (ave household income $234k -- $242 k) voted ?
If any of them voted for Obama I’d be very surprised.
It truly is the economy stupid!!!
Would someone please explain to me why the Goopers can’t figure out that a well educated, healthy citizenry is cheaper than an ignorant, sick one? Then if they figure that one out why they can’t understand that it really isn’t okay for people to die in emergency rooms or be thrown into poverty for the sake of corporate profits because that is so much more expensive than actually providing opportunity and care.
What in the hell is wrong with these people?
Only EC votes count in the Pres election. They are (with what, 2 exceptions where they are proportional?) by state. So I believe the telling political subdivision that provides any insight is by state. Be interesting to line up the states that went to Obama and to Rmoney by median income and see where they fall. I’m guessing that the average median income for the Obama states was higher than the ones for Rmoney.
“Fiscal Cliff” sounds so terrifying. Thank you once again bombastic media!! Loved the commenter who was actually honest enough to say “Be calm, it is more like a slanted driveway.”
The figure I would like to see is what would the EC votes have been if all the “winner takes all” states apportioned their votes by popular vote within the state.
hey Solar
I voted for Dr Jill Stein but if there had been a contest in California I would have voted for Obama
I voted in the self-interest of women. Obama has delivered for women in the form of fair pay issues and keeping abortion and contraceptive services as part of federally funded services.
The affordable health care act is a big deal.
In other areas not so much. I would have preferred he take on the criminal justice system but he chose not to do that. As for the economy -- I think he did what he could and the Republicans stood in the way of the rest.
For people interested in smaller government the Republicans spend far too much time and money in people’s personal lives.
yep Jamie every time I hear “Fiscal Cliff” I think it’d make a great screaming cartoon character:
rip ups are asking what went wrong. The answer is obvious. The Party candidate was a libbrull wuss who was soft on Blacks, Women, Latins, Gays, innerleck Jews, poor people, Moslems, France, Britain, Iran, Cuba, and other uppity inferiors.
The rip up Party needs candidates who will take an uncompromising stand against Women, Blacks, people with Latin-sounding names, Moslems, innerleck Jews, Homosexuals, and the un-rich, voting, owning property on which campaign signs can be posted or painted, having enough money to contribute to candidates, or engaging in political speech.
The rip up Party must maintain governments’ absolute rights to
1. arrest, rendition, and torture, on suspicion of dissent, or use of marijuana or performance enhnacing drugs other than viagra or cialis.
2. probe Women’s unmentionably obscene parts in search of evidence, or just to humiliate.
3. make any woman pregnant, and force her to deliver to a deserving, rich, white, Christian, rip up woman.
4. allow corporations, and Southern Baptist, Roman Catholic, Mormon, Pentacostal, and Brethren churches, the right to cast the election ballots for their employees, members, and neighbors.
Without this kind of strong stand against sin, libbrullizm, and the rule of Our Law, the repugnican Party is doomed, and the Book of Revelations will have to be cancelled.
Solar et all,
The speculation is that tax cheat Tim Geithner will make lots of money in the private sector with Blackrock.
The Obama team is already testing the water and setting us up for his sock it to us strategy that will reek havoc for us.
Now that the election is over I expect the crude oil and gas prices to increase again. If I were a betting man, who I am not, I would bet that the Oil Companies subsidies will remain as payment for the reduction in prices before the election.
The Fiscal Speed Bump
Obamacare is still a crappy program because Obama and the “bluedog” Dems in the Senate got rid of the “public option,” the most important “liberal” part of the program (which Obama promised he would include.)
What they were left with was a program that forces people to by private insurance with no cost controls. It’s a conservative program designed to enrich the insurance companies. Yes, it has a few good elements, but that’s like put cake frosting on a turd.
The “Fiscal Cliff” will trigger a recession within a few months if the GOP blocks any attempt to fix the problems, which they will probably do.
The wingnuts who control the GOP think that they can crash the economy and no one will notice that THEY did it. The GOP thinks they can blame it on Obama.
Naive liberals think that, because of the GOP’s election losses, the GOP has “learned its lesson” and will be more reasonable in the future. I doubt it.
My fear is that Obama will do his usual “deer in the headlights” act, unable to call the GOP out for its despicable behavior, whining about “bi-partisan compromise” until the economy crashes.
Nash, can’t argue with that. But I do think a public option will eventually be added, hopefully in our lifetimes.
Hello all
I love it when I wake up in the morning and Barrack Obama is president. (I may say this here every day for a week).
Public option would be okay.
Single Payor would be dandy.
Just ask your mom if she likes her Medicare.
If Single Payor works for her, it’ll work for you.
One more little nugget from the election, Obama won four of the five largest counties in Texas.
If you thought the drought was over :
(Reuters) -- Commercial barge traffic on a critical stretch of the Mississippi River south of St. Louis may be severely restricted or halted entirely next month as drought conservation measures stem the inflow of water from the Missouri River, government and industry sources said on Thursday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/08/us-usa-barges-drought-idUSBRE8A71DK20121108
We’ve been in a drought for over a year, we had a little rain in October, but we are again in a drought. No rain, no snow. There were so few crops this summer. Cornstalks were 3 feet tall. Horrible.
Ann Coulter was talking about “makers and takers” , exactly what does she “make” ?
Hey Ann Coulter, your adams apple called: “If not for me bitch you’d have no shape at all.”
The big fires this summer above Ft. Collins, Colorado -
http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20121107/NEWS01/311070036/Drought-wildfires-bring-water-challenges-area?odyssey=nav%7Chead
CBob — She ‘makes’ everyone furious.
NBC news -- Washington State approved SS marriage. Woohoo!
All I can say is shocked and delighted and also glad to see gay marriage approved
help, at 4:18, did someone take control of his gravatar and are speaking for our poohbah, sweet civil tongued gentleman that he is?
sturge, well some of it probably is recycled thru some ad men in the form of martinis and tinkled down at least.
Hello.
I was asked today in my AP Human Geography class to prepare an argument on If English should become the legal official language of the United States. I have to do recearch on it, but I decided to ask everybody here what their opinion is to bring forward in class tomorrow. Any responce is appreciated. Thank you very much.
Otaku24
CNN is talking about micro targeting — like this is the first year. No wonder the goopers could lie to them
Ah patd, sorry but these right wing bastards are getting to me. Simply fed up with their bile, finally. Trying to shut down my blog was the final straw. (But messing with voting rights even worse.)
All the big money dump this cycle had another wasted effort, the huge amount of cash spent by Big Coal and Big Oil on ads with CNN.
The tall blonde lady is stuck 3,000 feet below ground in her oil well elevator.
Ah patd, sorry but these right wing bastards are getting to me.
Stay classy young Crawford don’t give it to the “Dark side of the force”.
I should think that if the Republicans seriously think just modernizing their message is going to make them appealing to women and minorities — they better get some new messengers too.
I am beyond happy with the results of this election, but the attached is darn cool, too!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/11/exclusive-clinton-would-dominate-iowa-caucuses-ppp-149064.html
John King thinks he is setting the agenda for the president
Ari Fleshier thinks he is the only adult in the room
Warmer still: Extreme climate predictions appear most accurate, report says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/warmer-still-extreme-climate-predictions-appear-most-accurate-study-says/2012/11/08/ebd075c6-29c7-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_story.html
kgc…They’re both wrong….
There are new models running now, on huge new computers. All of them are pointing to a world where our civilization gets swept away. These deep lows we are seeing will only get stronger, and under these highs, it gets hotter. If we all started walking tomorrow , this cake is already baked.
Remember the good old days when I would get chided for my lack of tact? Ah, to be young again…
Purple, Thanks for that article. Don’t know if anyone else will read it…they are still in the state of orgasmismismssss.
“Otaku24 says:
11/08/2012 at 5:09 PM
Hello.
I was asked today in my AP Human Geography class to prepare an argument on If English should become the legal official language of the United States. I have to do recearch on it, but I decided to ask everybody here what their opinion is to bring forward in class tomorrow. Any responce is appreciated. Thank you very much.”
Como quiseiras lear esto?:
How would U like to know how to read this^^^^
Tell all your teachers, your freinds that long before there was a United Stated….there were about 20 langueges spoken while doing trade around New York Area…15-16 hundreds…..that was the begining of wall st…the trader on the floor were indians, french, spanairds, Dutch, Irish, among many others…..I know a little polish, some I-talion, and would love to learn English..hahaha
Oh yeah….go out and get a little dirty once in a while….be a kid….later 168
“Stay classy young Crawford don’t give it to the ‘Dark side of the force’ ”.
Yeah. That’s my job. Heh, heh, heh.
Otaku24,
The last time I looked, all documents relating to law & regulation, tax & property, and citizenship are in English.
That seems pretty official to me.
tonight at 11:00 P.M. EST sturgeone will give the 11 o’clock toast.
if still awake. if not…..carry on.
My favorite political ad, ever:
It is not required to be fluent in English to be a citizen. Making English the official language is often a smokescreen for people who do not want to print ballots or any other civic information in any language other than English. While as x-R points out, English is really is the offical language by practice but I think making it law would be a bad idea, subject to great misuse
Maybe traffic signs in Posen are in Polish.
Have we changed or have you?
chamopampas….there are so many criteria by which that ad could be adjudged “great” that I am left wondering which of those you employed?
crap…i now see that you didn’t say it was great you said it was your favorite. now I gotta go and rethink the whole damn thing.
Fucking internet.
Craig’s 4:18, priceless.
For everything else there is MasterCard.
“Romney’s Florida campaign has acknowledged their candidate lost in Florida as well. Romney already conceded the national race after he lost the other battleground states.”
Has Karl Rove conceded Florida?
The Republican consultants who promoted the lies
should all be shunned but noooooooooo they are parading around like they weren’t wrong.
kgc…takes forever for shit to dry up.
“Now that the election is over I expect the crude oil and gas prices to increase again. If I were a betting man, who I am not, I would bet that the Oil Companies subsidies will remain as payment for the reduction in prices before the election.”
I thought that it was agreed on that the potus could not control the price of gas……i just filled up yesterday b/c i know that it will be much higher than it has been for the last month….President Obama: “suckers”
Karl Rove, living proof that turds only blossom once in their life cycle.
ok…i missed the o victory meal so I’m having tonight the victory breakfast….scratch biscuits, poke chop, 3 aigs ova meedjum, toas’ and brandy.
Only took a cpl of hrs to order a drone strike….yep hes on the job.!
I think that we can expect him to go to work for us now that we know he doesnt need an american honeymoon.!
Never mind obamacare...
I was uncouth before it was cool, now it’s old hat.
The way he walks into scene for each sentence, the way each shot is framed, his inflection, the lighting, the generic and saccharine music… I can imagine the dialogue between the director and the subject as each scene was filmed: It’s so absurd, it’s delightful. Even more so considering he lost the PRIMARY. Ha ha.
Re: “Slurs” from last thread:
Thanks for the compliment in the last thread, KGC, but I’m guessing he meant no offense. Foreign Anglophonic (if that’s not a word, I just made it one) countries like to adopt slang and such from American culture, without realizing the weight some words carry in this country. However, when in Rome…
Heeding LL’s maxim now.
I agree Iggy and I saw it and thought about saying something but you did it and that is a good thing
Potholesaplenty making his first public appearance since bailing
Sorry to drag it back to voter supression, lots of reporting on that around the place.
I wonder Craig, do you think the Obama relection team knew that supression efforts would be counter productive? Was it showing up in research? They seemed remarkably calm about it, not really activating the Justice Dept to go after it at all. You even have a whole 24th Amendment that wasn’t tested.
You’re a long time project “Capernicus”. We see progress as well.
Did I miss it or did anyone mention (with glee) the defeat of Allen West?
I do not think the first test of Obama will be the fiscal cliff. To me, it will be his soon to come ‘decision’ on the Keystone Pipeline.
Craig -
The caps are in tomorrow’s post.
If you guys do a puppet/cartoon theater , that would be cool.
I really like the idea of just this cap going places.
It’ll pay the bills. That first shot , with ‘Big Ben’ in the background. It travels well.
As a metaphor.
Otaku24
I’m trying to give you an answer with out becoming too strident.
I could make points about us being an immigrant country. About how people I know who speak little English have watched their children go to Harvard.
But I’m going to tell a story.
I have a neighbor by the name of Angelo. Angelo Speaks very limited English, he is an old guy ,a bit of a drunk but a great neighbor. When I first moved into this neighborhood I met Angelo one night. he was walking down the street, saw me on my front porch stopped and offered me a beer. I took him up on the offer. So we sat on my front porch and he tried to communicate with me using his limited english and my next to nothing spanish. At the time we were just starting to see the influx of immigrants from south of the border. He want me to understand that he was not one of them. He looked at me shaking his finger back and forth saying “No Mexicano” then he thumped his chest with his finger and loudly proclaimed “American!”.
Indeed he was, for Angelo was born an American. He was born in Puerto Rico. As are around 4 million other people. Spanish is their natural language.
Then we have that little thing called a constitution, where we are all equal under the law. So if we are going to declare English an official language then by rights we have to declare Spanish an official language too. Then if we are going to do that then my family friend Buena, who is a member of the Navajo nation should have the language she speaks declared official too. After all they were here first. And so on……..
I’m going to become very conservative about this issue now and say “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”
From my prospective (we had immigrants from 7 different countries at our block party) it ain’t broke.
Jack
Wow! What Jack said….
That was beautifully presented, Jack!
Happy to be of service, ma’am. (tips hat)
Carl Rove has spent his entire adult life playing with fire , now he’s holding a $300 million dollar fire ball.
Who’s smiling the brightest ?
A. -- Valerie Plame
cbob, thanks, luv the tornado cap as traveling gnome thingie
Boy am I glad I lived to see that.
Karma cleans your plow everytime.
You’ve disrespected me so much, I really couldn’t care less about your perspective. Let’s never communicate again. Thanks.
Maybe for a future anniversary video, the cap could be shipped around for trailmixers to wear (or for the anonymous, allow their pets to wear) in various locales, particularly with the international contingent.
I had forgotten how smart we all are , what a spark floes in these threads.
GOP Gov Gives Up Fighting Obamacare: In a big switch (since Election Day) VA Gov. McDonnell will opt in to the federal health care exchange instead of the state trying to create its own. “The federal health-care law, it looks like now, it will go into effect,” McDonnell told reporters. Duh!
Whatever floats yer boat sport.
I ripped Jack’s eyes out , but I love him deeply .
Obama thanks natl campaign workers, cries halfway thru
Champ -
I respect the Jacks. I never got use to someone who called themselves “Champ’ .
Just what exactly are you the ‘Champ’ of ?
I’m Colorado Bob I really went to Colorado.
Denial meets the bleedin obvious: “Obamacare is the law of the land” — Speaker John Boehner — http://thkpr.gs/S1NY2x
Result of English Only:
1. San Francisco becomes St. Frank, Detroit becomes The Straight, and Philadelphia becomes The Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name.
2. The words spaghetti, salsa, wiener, chow mein, and Volkswagen are outlawed.
3. santorum and limbaugh have to get ‘white’ names.
I wish you men would make love not war.
You are both entertaining and edifying.
Can’t we all just get along?
Sweet dreams to you and you.
And, to all of you, too.
Smooch.
what xrepub said, ditto
I wish you men would make love not war.
When men get up from making love , war is the next step.
Either that or lighting a cigarette.
Champ -
Ask Sturg what it means to claim the word “champion’. It’s over 3,000 years old.
Champ -
That’s a big pair of sandals , ……. Sport.
This guy…
Why is Brian banned, and this abusive clown isn’t? Food for thought. Goodnight.
You always go to threats , you are not in fact a ‘Champ” , you could be a ‘punk’.
I recommend yet another screen name change , from :
Ignoble exChamp
To just exPunk.
I would be remiss if I did not recognize one other loser in Tuesday’s election.
A big tip of the Stetson to old scatter gun Dick Cheney, who so confidently predicted early on that Obama would be a one term president.
How did that work for you Dick?
So long Dick, write when you find work.
exChamp -
Please hack up all your championship fur balls.
Please tell everyone exactly what your “Champ” comes from .
Because as far as I can see, you’re just another “Jackass” on the world wide web.
And so am I.
I was going to respond to you, and oh, how vicious that response was going to be, but I’ll just go to bed with my girl instead. Goodnight.
By the way -
The amount of ‘Jackasses” on the world wide web , can now replace the trees in Siberia. Living and dead.
You’re way ahead of me sport , but that don’t make you a ‘champion’.
Because I was here long before you or Brian, ……… Sport.
exChamp -
I didn’t slur your name , I just asked why are you a ‘champ’.
Hint:
Sleeping with a girlfriend don’t count.
exChamp -
I like pickin’ your eyeballs out , as much as I love doing it to the ‘Jacks’.
exChamp -
I never whined to young Crawford , because someone exposed me as being thin skinned.
Sport
exChamp -
Back to my question, exactly when did you become a “Champ” ?
And where did that happen ?
exChamp -
I know the date, and time I became Colorado Bob . It was over 42 years ago.
exChamp -
Tell everyone of your championship efforts , first you were just a ‘champ’ , then you were a ‘ex-champ’, now you’re a Ignoble exChamp .
Exactly what was your apex ? Because as screen names go , you’re on the downward spiral.
bet the overuse by the gopers of the term “obamacare” subliminally brought about or bolstered the opinion polls showing consensus among the electorate that obama cared more for them than romney.
NEW THREAD
Speaking of US Health Care -- Doctors Without Borders launches first US action.
I am glad Obama got back in, this election really had me worried. My son is a college student. Obama took the student loans away from “the money lenders”. We appreciate that. I cannot imagine what would have happened to student loans under ‘the mittster’.
and…Hello Mr.Bill Woerlee. Long time huh Bill ?
Sorry, I forget to say this site is quite interesting… SO, thanks !