Channeling Grover Cleveland

Few presidents have presided over such corrupt times as Grover Cleveland did. And few so consistently chose to do the right thing in the face of political pressure. We could use him again. I don’t think he would have let today’s Wall Street off the hook.

From Listen Up, Mr. President:

Though often overlooked, Cleveland is widely regarded by historians as one of our most effective presidents. Following a line of weak chief executives in the late 1800’s, he restored the power and prestige of the office just in time for the 20th Century.

“Cleveland embodied rugged honesty in a corrupt age,” historian Arthur Schlesinger wrote in 2004. 

Cleveland had gained a reputation as a reformer for challenging the Tammany Hall political machine in his home state of New York, where he had served as governor and earlier as mayor of Buffalo.

Reform-minded Republicans, who were called Mugwumps, backed Cleveland and helped him become the first Democrat in the White House since the Civil War, ending the GOP’s 24-year dominance that had begun with Abraham Lincoln.

Cleveland moved quickly to clean up Washington. First, he stunned and infuriated the city’s powerful interests by shunning their cozy system of spoils for political friends. By his time, the ranks of government jobs filled by presidents had swelled to an all-time high, and these posts were generally given as rewards to their supporters without any regard for their qualifications.

“Officeholders are the agents of the people, not their masters,” Cleveland said.

GroverCleveland2.jpgOur 22nd president unleashed a whirlwind of change throughout government and commerce, leading a modern-day historian, Henry Graff, to conclude in his 2002 biography of Cleveland that he was “our best unknown president.”

Cleveland forced America’s railroad barons to return 81 million western acres previously granted by the federal government and regulated them with the Interstate Commerce Act. The rights of way for railroad land would be returned to the public, Cleveland announced, because the companies were not extending the lines as promised and instead reaping profits from land speculation.

Business interests accustomed to pillaging the federal treasury with questionable deals saw their contracts canceled by Cleveland’s administration. For instance, as part of his drive to modernize the Navy, Cleveland got tough on construction firms that had been building inferior ships, putting several out of business.

Doing the right thing came at a cost, however. He lost the Electoral College vote in his reelection bid despite winning the popular vote. But he returned to the White House four years later, making him the only president to serve two non-consecutive terms. Since Cleveland was both the 22nd and 24th President, he is featured on two separate dollar coins.

Many presidents take office vowing to clean up Washington.  But few actually kept their promise as well as Cleveland did.

 

94 thoughts on “Channeling Grover Cleveland”

  1. Dexter

    I started smoking casually at 16 and kept it up often at more than a pack a day from 20 to 62. That was six years ago. The first year without was a real bear and there are occasional times when the urge will hit, but something really nice happened the other day. I was walking at a store and an obviously heavy smoker passed by and he just reeked of the smell in his clothes. I found myself wondering how often I had had that effect on people.

  2. How is it possible that no one goes to jail for laundering 400 billion in drug money?

  3. Thank you for giving President Cleveland a well deserved shout out.
    We spend too much time tearing down political figures, nice to admire the good guys.
    I always liked the fact that he supported Mrs. Halperin’s child. Whether he was or wasn’t the father, he did the right thing.
    Can you imagine if President Obama or Mitt Romney even had a hint of personal scandal like this? Oh my goodness, FOX, MSNBC & CNN would go to 25hr coverage for this juicy tidbit.

    I like this post, Craig. A request for a returning topic: Good Guys Need to be Remembered. Not all politics is bad.
    Fun fact: I am looking at Grover Cleveland High School -- right across my street. It’s being renovated and will be the home for students who are recent immigrants. Nice. I think the President would approve.

  4. Oh never mind ,
    I see holder and Obama are on top of this drug situation,
    Have to clamp down on those dying cancer patients ,

  5. Dexter, I gave up cold turkey in August 1977 while her indoors gave up in July 2009 after 42 years chained. Every dollar that went on ciggies is still saved and splurged on something she likes. To date, her indoors cannot believe how much gold she donated to the ciggie companies. I mean that literally because the savings are invested in gold and diamonds which now adorn her indoors’ hands, arms and ears.

  6. yep sywny, Grover’s handling of the illegitimate child issue was quite admirable. Also from my book:

    Cleveland was attacked for having fathered a child out of wedlock. Typical of his forthrightness Cleveland publicly acknowledged fathering the child while a lawyer in Buffalo. Opponents popularized the derisive phrase “Ma, Ma, where’s my Pa?” in an effort to soil his clean image. When campaign aides first approached him with the rumors, he said, “Tell the truth.”

    Cleveland stepped forward and admitted that years earlier he had paid child support to the mother. It turned out that the woman had been involved with several men at the time and had actually named the child after another of her lovers. Friends said that none of the men knew who actually fathered the child, but that Cleveland took responsibility because at the time he was the only bachelor and wanted to protect his married friends from embarrassment.

    Doing the right thing about such a painful and personal matter was also good politics. “His honesty made Cleveland the butt of many jokes, but probably helped him win over voters,” historian Robert Allen Rutland concluded.

  7. Weed has been decriminalised in Canberra. Toke a spliff in front of a copper and you will get a $50 expiation fine, otherwise, no one cares. Number of expiation notices issued since introduction 8 years ago -- nil.

  8. Chester Alan Arthur.
    Here’s a man who shocked his Conkling cronies after he became President. Arthur deserves a mention for Civil Service Reform (a topic He knew all too well.) He could have turned his office into Patronage Central.
    He was also the target of “Birther” attacks. This crap never goes away.

    Roscoe Conkling: there was a man who corrupted politics in style. Today’s puppetmasters are mere amateurs.

  9. Glad the site is back on Craig! Loved the post.

    I added a new blog post- hope it isn’t as painful to read for the reader as it is for me to write. Probably a bit too long. I used the term “unfortunate”snickering a bit when I did -- guess I sound as jerky as he who uses it regularly.
    http://enchantedchocolates.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/hot-chocolate-for-love/

    Bill, I hope you, yours and your bit of heaven survive unscathed, my thoughts are with you.

    Flatus- a big hug for you, truly.

  10. Cleveland forced America’s railroad barons to return 81 million western acres previously granted by the federal government and regulated them with the Interstate Commerce Act. The rights of way for railroad land would be returned to the public, Cleveland announced, because the companies were not extending the lines as promised and instead reaping profits from land speculation.

    Before this happened the A.T. & S.F. , (Yes from from the Judy Garland movie.) What we knew as the Santa Fe Railroad. Sent salesmen to Russia and the Ukraine, following Standard Oil’s example in China. They passed out thousands of leaflets, with that “rain follows the plow” PR. Coupled with the promise of cheap land. The Russians came to in droves , and as they rode the train out onto the plains of Kansas each Russian woman held a large sealed jar of hard red winter wheat.

    Mixed in with wheat were seeds of Russian Thistle , our

    tumbling tumble weeds

    , that Roy Rodger’s sang about.

  11. Bill --
    I fear another “Black Saturday” .

    We’ve had six days of 45 degrees or more (including yesterday) and when (today) goes above 45 degrees that will be the longest period of temperatures above 45 degrees in Birdsville since records began there in 1892,” Mr Campbell said.

    In Brisbane temperatures are expected to remain above 30C for the week and will reach 41C in the southeast.

    In Victoria temperatures continue to soar with parts of the state hitting 33C before 9am.

    Yarrawonga, near the New South Wales border, reached 33.5C at 8.35 this morning. Rutherglen, in northeastern Victoria, was 34.1C just after 9am.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/national-heat-record-expected-by-bureau-of-meterology/story-fncynjr2-1226549102215

    45C = 113F

  12. Bill,
    Waiting to hear good news regarding you, your family, and your friends and neighbors. Glad to hear you have your plans laid out though.

    We had a fire come uncomfortably close to us not that long ago, which is highly unusual in our area. It’s a very scarey feeling, and it was so sad to see so much beauty burn to the ground.

  13. Really enjoyed today’s post, Craig (and learned a lot).

    … especially the quote from your book:

    ““Officeholders are the agents of the people, not their masters” Cleveland said.”

  14. Craig, At the risk of sounding paranoid: I was curious if it might be possible that the site went down yesterday because of the controversy of the subject being discussed (your post and link to Rolling Stone).

    When there is a crash at this site, is it caused by a hacker, or for some other unknown reason.

    I ask, because of the times during elections I’ve seem a controversial article late at night, and the next day it’s no where to be found.

    Just wondering how closely the politicians monitor the internet. (?)

  15. I have long wanted to write a book about Grover, our best forgotten president, but not surprisingly publishers are not interested. I’ve always thought part of the problem is that his first name just sounds too goofy to be taken seriously. Too bad, because he kicked ass like nobody since

  16. no chloe, our outage yesterday had nothing specific to do with our site or its content. the server company i pay to host us, Network Solutions, suffered a breakdown that affected hundreds of their domains. don’t know what happened, but they got it fixed. compared to other server companies their uptime is among the best, which is why they are a bit more expensive. these things happen on the internet tubes. nothing nefarious going on, not this time anyway

  17. My favorite Roman place --
    Vindolanda,
    On Hadrian’s Wall ……..

    Over 4,000 shoes have been found at Vindolanda, a Roman armyfort in northern Britain that was occupied from the first to fourth centuries.

    Roman kids showed off status with shoes
    Just as today, for some young ones, footwear an indication of coolness

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50390534/#.UOuFlkZQjkY

  18. My leather work career began with Hollywood. When I saw “Robinhood” for the first time, and I said, “Wow , that’s way cooler than what I’m wearing.”

    Since that day , the good folks at Vindolanda, have found 4,000 Roman shoes. The largest find of ancient leather work in the history of the world.

    For me , Vindolanda is the place to be.

  19. Maybe a book about Mrs. Grover Cleveland might get some more interest

    I love this guy

    He is challenging the Citizens United ruling that corporations are people by claiming traveling in the carpool lane with corporate papers is the same as two people. Wacky but wonderful

  20. “nothing nefarious going on, not this time anyway”

    Dang!
    There goes my conspiracy theory.

    Thanks, Craig… for answering my silly questions. You’re the best.

  21. Vindolanda , has letters written on bark from one Roman wife to another Roman wife.

    Vindolanda , has letters written on bark from poor “Dutch” boys writing home for thick wool socks.

  22. “He kicked ass like nobody since”

    Well, if anyone ever comes to their senses, and hires you to write it, there’s your title.

    Maybe it’s an idea whose time has arrived, considering the mess we’re in now. Would remind us of how effective a real leader can be.

  23. Vindolanda ,
    “Mom help me , my feet are freezing, I’m on Hadrian’s Wall !”

    Socks are a very old invention.

  24. Vindolanda ,

    No other place on Earth records so much about Rome, in the very fine details.

  25. Socks are a very old invention.
    Try and make a pair. While you’re at it, make the sandals to go with it. Not beach sandals, but ones that can cross the Alps carrying 100 lbs. of gear.

  26. Given Grover Norquist and Grover from Sesame Street the humorous combinations with the late president are numerous.

  27. James Hansen --

    Most other climate scientists think the ice sheets will only melt slowly, largely because this is what happened at the end of past ice ages. Hansen, however, thinks this logic is flawed. The reason that sea level only rose slowly in the past, he writes, is because the planet only warmed slowly. After the last ice age, for instance, it took 10,000 years for the average global temperature to rise around 4 °C. Now the world is on course to warm this much in less than 200 years.

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23048-sea-level-rise-could-lead-to-a-cooler-stormier-world.html

  28. Folks, just thought I would let you all know how things are going here in Canberra. It’s 5.30pm and the wind is blowing fiercely. The air is hot, dry and filled with dust. At the moment it is 35C. At 4pm it was 37C with winds at 60km and gusts up to a hundred. I took some footage around the area to give an idea of what it is really like here at the moment. We have still tonight to get through. This is possibly the most dangerous time for fires to spread. At the moment, around us, in the vicinity of 300km, we have about 120 fires burning. Some are out of control while others are contained. Near us we have about a dozen of them. We take this at an hour at a time -- there is no way of forecasting the future so we can only be fatalistic about the present.

    Hope this clip gives you a window into our unfolding history.

  29. Well, all I can say is ROLL TIDE!! My beloved alma mater kicked some serious ND butt last night and I had a wonderful time watching it.

    Well, Grover came in and had to clean up a Washington soiled by six terms of Republican dirt -- only Lincoln was the exception. Thankfully, the American people haven’t given them that kind of time to ruin things since. (OK, Roosevelt & Truman came close, but they faced different challenges than the post Civil War era, and did so with aplomb.) What can’t be ignored is that Congress was also dominated by Repugns during much of the period, and Cleveland and the progressives attempted to clean the place up.

  30. A fine slice of American history, Craig. Sad to see one of the finest is the least known or referenced by his own party. I blame the republicans and applaud the Mugwumps at the same time.

    But, when I saw ‘Mugwumps,’ I thought of another talented American, Mama Cass!

  31. January 08, 2013

    Beohner Blinks in Debt Ceiling Fight
    Greg Sargent notes that House Speaker John Boehner essentially admitted that the GOP’s threat not to raise the nation’s debt ceiling in budget negotiations with President Obama is an empty one.

    Blinking back tears no doubt! ;-)

  32. And aging nuns in convents around the United States are burning their pompoms.

  33. Pogo… Congrats!
    although I confess I got bored with the game and tuned into the second half of the Celtics/Knicks match. The Celtics won by a nose… best basketball I’ve seen
    so far this season.

  34. Cleveland was in the novel City of Light it although not so well portrayed. Good read though. Set in Buffalo Ny at the turn of the century. Topics include electricity, the World Expo, the suffragette movement, corrupt politicians.

  35. Jace, I suspect not only is a”Bear” smiling, I suspect THE Bear is smiling. And my dad is right there with him smiling, too. And yes, Flatus, I’m guessing that local VFDs are doing what they can to put out small fires. By the end of the first quarter ESPN.com was referring to the game as “The Last Supper.”

    Renee, if my interest in the game weren’t vested and I hadn’t been relishing it so much (along with ongoing texting with my sis and my best friend from AL)I might have looked for more interesting contest, too.

  36. My clock shows it to be 3 AM tomorrow morning in Canberra, an hour later than in Korea. I hope folks there have been able to sleep.

    At times like they are experiencing, as in war, grab and embrace sleep at every opportunity no matter the time on the clock.

  37. It’s the same time in BillW’s part of Oz as in Guam, ‘Where America’s Day Begins’.

    In between building bombs for B-52s, we found some really beautiful places to get drunk.

  38. Folks, thanks for all your good wishes. We dodged the firestorm. Not often do all the conditions align so perfectly to produce a holocaust. Thankfully the fires near us that were inaccessible to the fire fighters did not flare up and we can only put dumb luck onto that.

    And Flatus, you’re right. Sleep we do when we can. In Ash Wednesday 83, we had little sleep. Clearing up deadstock out of paddocks was a grisly business. Most horrific were cattle strangled in barbed wire fences with their bodies burned. Hideous parodies of these wonderful animals. 03 was more removing trees and helping our neighbours get shelter. We volunteered with the Salvos and to say the least it was very busy.

    This morning we only have to deal with the happy songs of hungry birds, the sweet cool breeze blowing off the Bridabellas and the smell of a good Italian roast bean. The coffee is just great. La Dolce Vita.

    So that was my last 24 hours. :grin:

  39. And thank you Jamie for your wonderful link to a musical tribute via bagpipe to the old favourite: “On the road to Gundagai.”

    For me Gundagai is 6am and a hot traveller’s mug of flat white at Maccas with another 500 clicks to Melbourne.

  40. Craig, thanks for posting those ads. They highlight in graphic detail one side of the problem -- the symptoms. For individual parents who suffered, for traumatised communities searching for answers, and for the rest of us who feel helpless but wish to excise this pain, there is no pill to remove these symptoms.

    The gun debate has many different aspects to it and definitely many contradictions.

    Is it purely a matter of guns in the household? Three examples can be cited of high levels of household firearm storage but little to no level of gun related crimes by its citizens. These are Switzerland, Israel and Montana. In Israel, gun related violence is a matter of ethnic rivalry from two states rather than Israelis turning guns upon themselves.

    And that is the conundrum the gun control group need to overcome in order to make a convincing argument, these sociological issues need to be addressed in a meaningful manner else the NRA and their friends will use them as examples as to why there should be a proliferation of firearms rather than a reduction.

  41. We’ll see a year from now just how serious we are about gun reform. That will be the third anniversary of Tucson. Yep, Year Three.

    Ronald Reagan was shot in 1981. “Hinckley was crazy.”
    Columbine, Colorado 1999. “Harris and Klebold were crazy.”
    Gabrielle Giffords was shot in 2011. “Loughner is crazy.”
    Aurora, Colorado 2012. “Holmes is crazy.”
    Newtown, Connecticut 2012. “Lanza was…” / Oh, why bother.

    All of those murderers named above were part of our Society. We are the crazy ones if we don’t make serious inroads against the availability of these weapons. These commercials are a start, but sadly, how many other times have we witnessed the same reaction, and then….pfft. Crickets and inaction until the next Columbine/Tucson/Aurora/Newtown.

    The NRA is an organization of people, with lots of money. So? There’s a lot more of us than them. Find out if your Rep gets NRA money. Help publicize this fact. Shame is our weapon. Decency is our action. The names on the lists are our reason.

  42. sjwny, it is very easy to give up and become cynical about gun control. However, to get a conversation going, some very real hurdles need to be jumped. I alluded to them in my earlier post. So let’s talk about Montana.

    Folks in Montana get mighty worried when city slickers start talking about gun control. These rules might be okay for the city but why force people who are doing the right thing to comply with city people who are doing the wrong thing. It then appears to be community punishment for the evil deeds of the individuals. The idea of community responsibility for the behaviour of the individual is an old Chinese piece of law which the Anglo-Saxon judicial system disposed of as being inherently unfair. The idea of community punishment worked like this: Person A murders Person X and then high tails it out of town and can no longer be traced. The judicial authorities grab Person B who is the brother of Person A and then hang him for murder despite Person B having nothing whatsoever to do with the murder, and indeed, at the time was a couple dozen miles away working his fields. The concept of community punishment for the evil perpetrated by the individual has always been seen as manifestly unfair. The good folks in Montana, who are possibly some of the most law abiding citizens in the US with the highest rate of gun ownership and the lowest rate of gun related crime might just feel a tad bit aggrieved at being placed in the same basket as the killers in the school massacres.

    So, what it the plan to accommodate the very real sensibilities of these folk?

  43. gather your pitchforks folks, Trail Mix is going to our great national gun showdown on cap hill when it opens, coming soon. I see this and immigration reform as the two big issues of the year so far. Nobody has to agree with me, of course, but we’re gonna sort this stuff out one way or another

    for those, like me, who want something done about gun insanity, sign the petition at http://www.demandaplan.org/

    friendly tip: I use a separate email address for such things, including online purchases etc., because they usually lead to lots of spam. so it helps to keep them separate from you personal mail

  44. I am anything but cynical on this. We have to be involved to get our voice heard.
    My goal is for an enlightened, civilized society. If we don’t at least try, we will never succeed. The answers begin and end with us. Time to stop placating the lowest common denominator with the biggest wallet. We’re better than this. Guns have no place except with the Military and Police.

  45. i’m fed up with both sides derailing gun debates by taking extreme stands. there have to be some things we can do that make a difference without offending the constitution. let’s find the common ground. if not now, when? if not us, who?

  46. Agree, Craig. It is up to us.
    The Constitution is not sacrosanct. If it was, we’d still have slave auctions, and I couldn’t vote.
    Once in a while we get fed up and wise up. The matter of guns is one of these issues. We need to make sure our voices are heard.

  47. i understand sjwny, but as you know the Constitution was amended to include the civil rights you mention. the second amendment is still there untouched and cannot be ignored.

    those of us who want better regulation have got to respect the basic right to bear arms, or the discussion just goes nowhere

    I have to disagree. The Constitution IS sacrosanct!

  48. Yep. And 150 odd years ago, there were nuts like me who worked to amend them.
    Of course guns will never leave our culture. There’s too much money to be made, and money trumps morals. We can do this one step at a time.

  49. “money trumps morals.”

    How do you explain to a little kid growing up that it’s OK (morally) that our soldiers go over to other countries and shoot or bomb people, including little children (among the other unscripted and unreported horrible things they do) but it’s immoral if we do it here?

    Many of us may be old enough to differentiate between the two, but I don’t think everyone is, including a lot of confused adults (or teenagers).

    If our soldiers are lucky enough to make it back home, do they really come back the same person that left here?

    I think our problems are a lot more complicated ‘and’ hypocritical than we like to admit they are.

  50. “Of course guns will never leave our culture.”

    Yep.
    This very young country started out with the ‘wild west’ mentality. And if I remember correctly, a lot of the first people to come were misfits and outlaws before they even got here.

    Craig’s the historian. All I remember are the few things I learned in school. And like everyone else, had to learn later that much of what I was taught was a distortion, or a downright lie.

    Now the misinformation comes to us in the form of the media. Who provides the media with their information, I don’t know. It just seems odd, that they all say pretty much the same thing (as though it were scripted).

  51. I used to feel so sorry for those countries who weren’t allowed to hear the real news, because their dictators banned so much of the truth.

    Now I’m not so sure that isn’t happening here. Why do we hear so much less about the wars and our soldiers under the Obama Administration than we did in the past?

    I’m just an ignorant spectator here, trying to figure out what’s going on. I’m certainly not going to buy into what we’re being spoon fed on a daily basis.

    Maybe ignorance really is bliss.

  52. my point is that I am sure we can find ways to limit access to weapons of war used for mass murder without denying reasonable access to hunting weapons for responsible users. perfect solution that will prevent all gun crimes? of course not. but i’m also fed up with that argument against trying to make a difference.

  53. I don’t believe only hunters have guns, Craig. There are many people who keep a small, adequate weapon in case of a home invasion, but would never even consider hunting and killing an animal.

  54. I mean, really, requiring automobile drivers to pass a test and maintain a license obviously doesn’t prevent all road accidents but however many it does prevent is worth the effort. just so fed up with the specious argument that nothing prevents all gun crimes therefore we should do nothing

  55. Craig,

    Thumbs up to your 7:09 PM

    The knee-jerkers on both sides have held sway in this discussion since Sandy Hook.

    It is time for the sane center to do the heavy lifting and come up with some sensible policies on guns and gun ownership. They will have to do it on their own however, because the media will be no help.

    There will be some on both sides of the argument that will never be satisfied, because guns are not going to disappear from our society, nor are we going to start arming every single school teacher.

    This may be a movement that starts with town and city councils, county commissions and state houses before it ever reaches D.C. and that in itself may be for the better.

  56. Craig,

    He should thank Morgan. That’s more listeners than his radio show ever gets.

  57. Those crazy pro gun people like Alex Jones, shown in the above video, are making the best case for both gun control and better resources for the mentally ill and why guns and those people shouldn’t share the same room at the same time. LOL. That’s an example of synchronicity Chloe. He didn’t have a clue how crazy he looked and sounded.

    And I don’t have any problems with responsible people owning guns that serve a purpose. I have one even though I’d be afraid to shoot it. About 10 years ago a habitual criminal broke into my house while I was at work at the prison. He took my little gun along with many other things. They found him and the gun several hours later but not until he had dragged most of my stuff through some of the swamps around here. I’d be kinda afraid to try to shoot it, it might blow up in my hand but it still makes me feel a little more secure having it here. The police wouldn’t even give it back to me until they did a background check on me and the gun. It wasn’t registered. My uncle gave it to me 40 years ago.

    Oh, the robber got 10 years for stealing that little gun but he got out in 8 and I even got to see him as one of my patients because he was back to jail within weeks after his release.

    I did sign the petition you linked here
    Craig and another one. If there is anything else I can do to make a difference, please let me know. I think we all should send whatever donation we can afford to the groups trying to promote safer gun policies. Need to fight against the NRA and their money. Like Coreen says, it’s all about the money.

  58. I read that a dollar from every gun sale goes to the NRA. We ought to petition Hallmark to add 10 cents to the cost of every birthday card, love card and all other greetings cards to go to a fund for safer gun policies. It would be a nice gesture.

  59. That’s an example of synchronicity Chloe. He didn’t have a clue how crazy he looked and sounded

    Agree, Carol.
    Like I said here the other day, I’m usually on a different track than everyone else. It’s not intentional, but it continues to happen.

  60. Chloe, sometimes we just like to be feisty. It’s the only aerobic activity I usually get. Gets my heart rate up without leaving the couch.

  61. Folks, thanks for all your good wishes. We dodged the firestorm.

    Bill!
    Sorry I forgot to say how happy I was to read this. What a relief.

  62. Every nation seems to have a Jones who is a total tosspot. America has Alex Jones. We have Alan Jones. Both of these Jonese are obnoxious, self opinionated morons who seem to have found a niche with the self proclaimed ignorant bigots.

    We still have to engage with them and their constituencies. Perhaps a “join the dots” colouring in book with a packet of crayolas is the way to go here.

  63. Bill, I very much appreciated your video tour of the “dust storm” — sure wish more trail mixers were youtube savvy, would luv to see more homemade vids

  64. Wow. Ted Nugent is some piece of work. I carefully watched his body language throughout the interview and there is no way this fellow believes a single word he is saying. Indeed, there are moments that he shows his absolute contempt for his constituency. He is mouthing the words cause that’s what pays the rent.

    He reminds me of Freddie Mercury who was The Great Pretender

  65. Thanks Craig. Also love to see how Trail Mixers see their world. I would have loved to see the Hillbilly and Mud Rat discussion being illustrated. That was fascinating to me because of a whole raft of ideas that are outside of my understanding. Then there are the fertile corn fields that raise comment. So many items are raised by Trail Mixers that would come alive with some personal footage. As a historian, I have found the most seemingly mundane pix elicit the most complex of stories which were filled with rich veins of commentary. People who like history are generally inveterate voyeurs who enjoy peeping through distant windows and prying into someone else’s business. Of course, I mean this without the yellow raincoat. I find people fascinating and am thoroughly interested in their lives. I guess I am just nosey. :grin:

    So folks, post your home vids.

  66. And Craig, your theme song is strongly shared by her indoors who sends you a big smooch for choice. It was the commencement march at our Dedication Ceremony a decade ago.

    Are we doppelgangers but 15,000km and a decade apart?

  67. Bill Woerlee says: Are we doppelgangers but 15,000km apart?

    bill, like most of us wandering into our various paths here, i call it kismet, rhymes with internet (sort of)

  68. btw all, just catching up to your kind offers for honeymoon tour stops organized by CBob the other day, but dangit that’s a lot of country to cover. we’d have to buy an airline, we’re plum out out of frequent flyer points for something like that

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