Guns, Game On

President Barack Obama proposes an assault weapons ban and better background checks for gun buyers today as part of a package to curb gun violence one month after the Newtown school massacre. Will he fight for it, or just watch it melt away? I’m betting he’ll fight for it, big time, for a meaningful outcome. Why? Because I think he’s pissed off and determined to get this done. If the public is in the same mood something just might happen.

White House Summary of
Gun Control Proposals and Orders

104 thoughts on “Guns, Game On”

  1. I think that Obama fights for it, because Sandy Hook touched a spot deep inside him and many in the public as well.

    Many of the same people that might oppose stricter gun laws, are the same people who would oppose immigration reform or raising the debt ceiling.
    It is one thing to go back to your district and say that you fought the debt ceiling and let the government default, or that you supported a fence along our boarders, it is quite another to go back and say that you did not lift a finger to keep six year olds from being massacred in their schools.

    It’s good policy, good politics, and the right thing to do. A rare combination in a country that can’t seem to agree on anything.

  2. Being a lame duck has advantages. I’m hoping the President makes full use of it on this subject.
    Many thanks to Rep Carolyn McCarthy, who has been at the forefront for sane gun laws. This is for her husband and every other innocent whose right to a full life was denied them.
    If the slaughter of kindergartners can’t change anything, nothing can. We’re better than this and we can change. Support those who work for the good; unite to drown out the bullies. It can be done.

  3. Who’s not making sense?

    Thomas Sowell. Surprise surprise.

    “In all these cases, and many others, liberals take positions that make them look good and feel good — and show very little interest in the actual consequences for others, even when liberal policies are leaving havoc in their wake.”

    Yep those conservative policies of continuous war and ‘deficits don’t matter’ were so ‘havoc neutral’.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/01/15/liberalism_versus_blacks_116684.html

  4. Just like gays in the military, Obama will have to be dragged to the table. He is good on words but you have to force him to action.
    It is just who he is. He is very conservative and doesn’t do the “new”. Look at his gun regulations being floated, wore out retreads, not even baby steps toward something new or innovative.

    Jack

  5. Jack,

    You are no doubt correct, Obama is by nature not only conservative, but incremental in his thinking as well.
    Many peoples’ position regarding gays in the military had to evolve over time and he was no exception. He came to his conclusion slowly.
    I’m thinking however that moving slowly towards acceptance of gay rights is all together different than gun legislation.

    The image of children lying dead on a classroom floor, is so powerful that it does not require anyone’s position to ‘evolve’. It is what it is, an abomination that can no longer be tolerated.
    Whether we can stop it remains to be seen, but I don’t think that the President will be dragged kicking and screaming into the fight, me thinks that he’s there now and willing to make some unpopular choices in order to do more than just be able to say “I tried”.

    jace

  6. I don’t have an answer, and if I did have an answer no one in a position to do anything would be asking me, so I just hope that whatever they do actually has some tangible benefit…..this thing about goofy little white guys blowing up a bunch of kids for no other reason than “because they can” is a real drag. And I REALLY don’t have an answer as to how to lessen inner city gun violence. And gang shootings. And guys in little cabins out in montana sending out exploding letters. etc. etc.

  7. I just wonder what kind of law would have prevented the sandy hook guy or would have prevented his mother from being such a frost-brain where her son was concerned. And of course punishment is out of the question in this as in so many cases.

  8. I can’t see policemen being happy with this “arm yourself” mentality.

    The real reason for the assault weapons is to have on board when society breaks down and it’s every squirrel for himself.


  9. back in the saddle again
    out where a friend is a friend

    sorry to have missed all the scintillating opines since new years… fell victim to a bug. the techie kind that sends one to luddite siberia.

  10. ((((((patd)))))))!

    So good to see you surface….

    your sense of humor is so sorely needed around here…

  11. The mother of the youngest Newtown victim invited the governor to view his open casket so he could see the whole lower half of his face missing. These babies weren’t shot, killed, etc they were unmercifully slaughtered by a high powered weapon with an excess of fire power. It we can’t do something to make this at least a little harder to do, what does it say about us as a nation?

  12. I can’t see policemen being happy with this “arm yourself” mentality. -Sturgeone

    I would surmise they fall on both sides of the issue like any other demographic, for a variety of reasons.

    Reading some wikis on the “founding fathers” and the 2nd amendment: They were pretty unequivocal about the need for an armed citizenry.

    “Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.” -Patrick Henry

    “Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.” -Noah Webster

    Obviously, there are many more from where those came.

  13. Next time leave bread crumbs.

    jamie, got so desperate i even contemplated snail mail to tm hdqtrs.

    great big (((((trailmates group hug))))) and thanks for the kind words and concern.

  14. I suspect that a sizeable number of Western and Southern states will opt out of some of these regs. I already know that there is a push to move manufacturing to more gun friendly states.

  15. Most of the Bill of Rights has been undermined, already, so that the 2nd amendment is to be, as well, stands as a logical progression, but it’s supposed to be the supreme law of the land. At least that’s what they taught me in publicly-funded government schools, way back when.

  16. “jamie, got so desperate i even contemplated snail mail to tm hdqtrs.” -Pat

    lol- They could have used the business.

    “I’d like to hear from a few or many policemen.” -Sturgeone

    Considering “District of Columbia v. Heller” (2008), regarding the right of citizens to bear arms for self-defense:

    “Law enforcement organizations, including the Fraternal Order of Police and the Southern States Police Benevolent Association, also filed a brief urging that the case be affirmed.”

    (“affirmed” = upholding the circuit court’s ruling that citizens DO have the right to bear arms for personal defense)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

  17. Going back to the ending thread from last night, and the prospect of having more Americans stuck in the Australian boondocks, and one Australian’s reaction to their presence, and to our military presence especially when they were trying to work big deals with China, made me think of this Kipling poem. Guess who Tommy Atkins is this time around?

    Rudyard Kipling

    Tommy

    I went into a public-‘ouse to get a pint o’beer,
    The publican ‘e up an’ sez, “We serve no red-coats here.”
    The girls be’ind the bar they laughed an’ giggled fit to die,
    I outs into the street again an’ to myself sez I:

    O it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, go away”;
    But it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins,” when the band begins to play,
    The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
    O it’s “Thank you, Mr. Atkins,” when the band begins to play.

    I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
    They gave a drunk civilian room, but ‘adn’t none for me;
    They sent me to the gallery or round the music-‘alls,
    But when it comes to fightin’, Lord! they’ll shove me in the stalls!

    For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, wait outside”;
    But it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide,
    The troopship’s on the tide, my boys, the troopship’s on the tide,
    O it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide.

    Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
    Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap;
    An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they’re goin’ large a bit
    Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.

    Then it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy how’s yer soul?”
    But it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll,
    The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
    O it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll.

    We aren’t no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
    But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
    An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints:
    Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints;

    While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, fall be’ind,”
    But it’s “Please to walk in front, sir,” when there’s trouble in the wind,
    There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
    O it’s “Please to walk in front, sir,” when there’s trouble in the wind.

    You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires an’ all:
    We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
    Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
    The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.

    For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
    But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country,” when the guns begin to shoot;
    An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
    But Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

  18. but champ the heller decision, altho striking down a ban against handguns in your home, actually did a lot for gun control, the first SCOTUS affirmation that govt can regulate weapons. even Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion, said so in the ruling — He wrote that the Second Amendment is “not unlimited” and is “not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

  19. [Scalia] wrote that the Second Amendment is “not unlimited” and is “not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

    …so much for “textualism”, eh? Tee hee hee.

    Ok, have a good day. Good to see your Cheshire Cat grin, patd.

  20. and i don’t think the “well regulated” phrase in the second was referring to a distribution of prunes to the people.

  21. Just like “fighting words”, the 2d Amend isn’t an absolute right to anything and everything.

    The citizenry as a whole, speaking out in a free press, will tell us when the government is overreaching. That’s when we say ‘Hell no!’.

  22. From what I’ve read so far the impact to me personally is that I have handguns which hold more than 10 rounds and one rifle that holds more than 10.

    I’m not sure if the rifle will be a problem as as it is a self containerd mag. I can’t tell if the restriction is for detachable magazines or self contained magazines. The pistols are detachable mags.

  23. I never owned an assault weapon type rifle because I wasn’t well off enough before the ban to afford one and always figured I could get one if I want one after the ban.

    Now I’ll probably go get one….pay an arm and a leg….just so I’ll have one.

    probably never would have bought one in my lifetime…..

  24. jax, they’re proposing to restore the ban against 10-round magazines in the 1994 law that expired — not sure if that only applied to detachables or not, will have to look that up

  25. Thing is if i’m going to buy one I don’t want the puny .5.56mm AR. I’d much rather have a one that chambers the 7.62mm. I wonder what’s out there with that load.

  26. 7.62 is really a 30.06 round. A real common hunting load. The m-14 that I used in the navy was the same round. A really nice effective weapon….but heavy….never would fire on automatic.

    Best suited for single shot operation but it carried more rounds than my hunting rifle of the same caliber 14 vs 5.

  27. The AK-47 is still the (my) weapon of choice. Reasonably accurate up to 300m, 7.62mm. Not a hunting rifle. Excellent for defense. There are 10-rd mags for them, semi-auto (with full-auto conversion). Very low maintenance; not finicky. Ubiquitous.

  28. Flatus,
    All true about the AK.

    Maybe I was in the military too long but I just can’t bring myself to own a piece of soviet history.

    It’s like I’d be betraying the flag….laughs

  29. My favorite riifle right now is a remington .270 bolt action. Got a new scope. Sighted it in a few weeks ago and got a little too close.

    Scope bit me and split me above the eye like a melon….still have the scar….laughs

  30. I haven’t shot anything since I retired and that’s thirty years ago.

    Now, I just read in The Local Rag that armadillos have been sighted in the state. Consequently, homeowners have been invited to shoot any that they see on their property without regard to limits or any seasonal restrictions. No license is required.

    “Sure looked like an armadillo to me. What do you mean it has antlers?”

  31. Ignoble exchamp
    I never addressed his Lordships comments to me yesterday. As he replyed with out snark to my snark then I owe the same.

    First:

    “The right to bear arms is constitutionally-protected.”

    Only somewhat protected. Infact it has only been in the last year or two that there is an individual right to own a firearm. In that decision the scotus also stated the need for the state to regulate firearms. So you may have the right to own a firearm but the state has a compelling interest in the manner you use your firearm.. Nobody has been talking about banning, we have all been talking about regulating. So imo this statement is a strawman.

    “I think we can agree on that. Gun laws are already pretty tough: you get caught fucking around with a gun, you’re probably going to jail for at least 6 months.”

    Not really, Laws on automobiles are tough. You get caught with a stolen car and it is jail time. But not as likely for a gun. To be charge with possession of a stolen stolen gun or anything else, you have to know it was stolen.
    Laws on guns are mostly inconsistent for the ordinary gun owner and depends on the state and jurisdiction.
    Use of a gun in a crime or possession by a felon is tough , an automatic 5 yrs but that is about it.

    “INCREASE school security.”

    Except mass shootings are occurring in many places besides schools. Children have been gunned down in theaters, restaurants, even visiting with their congress critter. You need to put armed guards at them all. Then at every work place, church and every mom and pop store front business. They have all been the scene of a mass shooting in the last year or so. For your solution to work we would need armed guards on every corner, in every building in the nation. That is something far worse than what the Australia type restrictions would be on this country, which as has been pointed out, have been very effective at stopping mass shootings.

    Jack

  32. Jax,

    Since you said you probably would have never bought an assault rifle in your lifetime and you’ll have to pay an arm and leg for one(most likely you have more important and useful things you could invest in), pray tell WHY do want to go buy one now? I’m terribly interested in understanding your motives. Do you even fully understand them?

  33. CT,

    I’ll buy the assault weapon for the same reason I have a 10 kw generator (that I haven’t used for 12 years through 3 hurricanes) in my storage garage.

    I want one in case I ever need it and it doesn’t seem like they will be available anymore.

  34. Jax,

    I was mighty proud of my M-1 rifle, the mighty Garand. Never did carry it in a unit because, until Vietnam, we were armed with M-2 Carbines, then immediately after VN I moved over to the AF. When I had to carry something it was a .38 combat masterpiece.

    In any case when you said your M-1 rounds and M-14 rounds were the same, I was taken aback, as mine weren’t. This wiki on the M-1 solved that conundrum:

    “Cartridge .30-06 Springfield (7.62x63mm)
    7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester) (Used by the U.S. Navy and some commercial companies to modernize the M1 and increase performance)”

  35. Flatus,

    A nice little .22 works wonders on dillo’s. Plus they make very little noise and won’t bring the cavalry down on you.

  36. Flatus,
    My Dad carried an M-1 and then a BAR in Korea.
    You are irght about the 7.62 vs 30.06 but alot of the new weapons are chambered to handle both and in several cartidge sizes as well.

    The problem when you mix cartridges in a mag is people forget to seat firmly to the back of the mag and they cause jams.

  37. Very pleased with Obama’s speech and his proposed actions. I give much credit to we the vocal and outraged people.

    I have also been very curious about the opinions of law enforcement regarding gun control. Have noticed just how absent it has been. Even Jon Stewart and Bob Shieffer discused this on the Daily Show last night.
    Our local law enforcement leaders are elected and I can imagine their not wanting any of their officers to alienate any of the voters. Chickens!

  38. Flatus,
    Looks like I’ve found the weapon. It’s an AR-10. I can get one with the .308 or 30.06. I’m thinking .308.

  39. eventually we’ll be getting around to discussing an even more delicate matter, that line in the sand marking who is and who isn’t mentally competent enough with regard to legally possessing and using a gun. hope we’ll handle that one better than say how we’re handling and regulating who can drive a car or maintain a license in businesses affecting the health and safety of the public or simply make important life decisions. questioning mental capacity is a big bugabear about to confront aging boomers as well as thousands of ptsd-ers and brain injured folk.

  40. patd,

    you said it….I certainly wouldn’t want to be the law enforement officer sent to confiscate that mentally incompetant persons weapons from them…..

    talk about drawing the short straw….

  41. And while I’m sitting here awaiting on my mail ordered bazooka and sawed off shotgun…

    Just in case anyone else has patd’s problem…. one can always find the free use of a computer at one’s local library. Hell… even my one horse town has 2 for the public’s use. And yes… you can use them for emails.

  42. “The distance between the face of the bolt and the base of the cartridge when the round is fully inserted in the chamber.”

    Well I remember the answer to the question, and it has to do with .50 cal machine guns and setting them up properly.

    It’s strange what a person remembers from half a century ago.

  43. RR,
    Just saw on the news that San Antonio is opening the first public library with no books.

    Just a bank of computers and you can check out memory sticks to use at home….kinda cool

  44. Flatus,
    See…you didn’t destroy that brain cell somewhere in SE asia…..laughs

  45. It’s strange what a person remembers from half a century ago.

    and forgets from just minutes ago, flatus.
    now where are those keys? what’s that password? anniversary, what anniversary? who are you anyway?

  46. Jax, I bet almost all of us here have had too many occasions where we needed a generator. I even have a small one. Most of us here are mature in age, been around a block or two, considering that…has anyone here, outside of your military service, EVER had the occasion where you found a need for having an assault weapon??

  47. Jax…. it’s the coming thing.
    But I do LOVE my actual books.

    I shoulda said internet ordered (although Amazon does deliver to my PO Box #). I wonder how many pennies Craig will get from a $200,000 order…

  48. CT,

    Very likely I’ll never have the need to use it either….

    But there is that one chance that I might…

    For me this is no different than that myriad of insurance payments I make every month.

    Just another tool…..

  49. RR,

    I could see a kindle like device that you could check-out.

    They are becoming very inexpensive.

  50. Carol,
    Here is the type of situation that I envision, the result of which will be the near total collapse of law and order, food distribution, the energy grid, communications, transportation, etc., quite simply it is the introduction of a computer worm into vast interlinked networks controlling American life.

    People will simply not be able to survive in their own homes. They must become squatters where they feel they might have a chance for physical survival.
    ——--
    I’m not the creative one, but you know where the story is headed.

  51. Does it piss anyone off that you can’t go buy more than just a few sudafed? I bet all of us have had more than a few episodes of nasal congestion and when I do, I sometimes feel like hurting someone.

    Most of you guys sound like you already have a pretty adequate arsenal. Sorry if you think I’m an AH but I do feel like banning a useless boy toy is not much to ask even if it only prevents one mass killing. I also think that it was when there was a short interruption in the rapid firing of those assault weapons that did allow for a very few to get away or for someone to over power the killers. With only more traditional weapons, there would be a few more interruptions available.

    If what you imagine ever does happen Flatus, I hope I’m one of the first to go. Too old and worn to have to survive that scenario.

  52. Flatus… that’s a good story. Maybe you could write a trilogy… as an e-book. Hell, I’d even use my kindle to read it… ;-)

  53. CT

    I wonder….how many lives would we save if we just banned lifestyle induced obesity….

    If we could save just one life wouldn’t it be worth it….

    We could come into your home and clear out everything that you don’t need for sustenance and this country would be an infinitely safer place.

    Sure, it would be an incredible intrusion by gov’t into your private life….but we could save lives….wouldn’t it be for your own good.

    After all…so many obviously can’t be trusted to manage their lives on their own…..

  54. Under those circumstances Jax, I need a tank. Can I order one on Amazon? No one is coming for my food! You hear me. And they just reported that extra fat in old age actually increases life expectancy. Hah.

  55. Let me turn off my snark for a moment.

    I see this argument as the same old, same old. Both sides are entrenched… same as always.

    A proposal has been made. I’ll be emailing both my Senators and Congresswoman to let them know my stance. That’s all I can do to affect the outcome.

    snark back on…
    Carol… yeah… Amazon listed a tank in the “you might be interested in this also” list after I put in my order.

  56. With my temporarily altered eyesight I read ” A nice little .22 works wonders on dillo’s.” as a nice little 22 makes a wonderful dildo. I do think that guns do represent a phallic symbol.

    I saw a lady in medical at the joint who accidentally killed her lover having gun sex. I really wanted more of the details but it was beyond the scope of my job to inquire. I couldn’t help utter to her what my parents always told me…never play with a gun unless you plan to kill someone. It just slipped out.

    She ended up receiving a no true bill. The boyfriend’s kids were on the news saying that they felt sure that their daddy wouldn’t have been unhappy dying that way. She got off the hook. I thought that maybe the girlfriend and the kids might have planned that murder or that maybe more unhappy spouses would try to use the same excuse when they shot their spouse.

  57. Jax…
    but if it’s a tank for peace, that dispenser would be Ben & Jerry’s… que no.

  58. LOL Renee. I’ve bought quite of few things from Amazon. Got a pretty nice Minn Kota trolling motor. Top of the line and good price.

    And Jax, I also bought this neat ice cream maker and made the very best choc chip vanilla ice cream I’ve ever eaten. Couldn’t find a better store bought ice cream. You got to learn to be more self sufficient. Remember we’re roughing it.

  59. I loved homemade ice-cream when I was a kid.

    We had a hand driven one at first…not that popular with us kids….and my parents I suspect as we soon had an electric one…

  60. Hope there are no mental health professionals monitoring this blog. We may all be on their list now.

  61. Flatus: “Guess who Tommy Atkins is this time around?

    Mate, nothing in Kipling mentioning extra-territoriality and a free pass for murder and rape of the locals etc etc.

    You may opine about Tommy Atkins but it is folks like me who have spent years cleaning up the social devastation as a consequence. My work was specifically in regards to child sex slavery, drug trade and corruption at Olongapo City. Let me cite a case from my files about an American Tommy Atkins whom you have sentimentally portrayed in you commentary.

    The case of People of the Philippines v Heinrich Stefan Ritter for Rape with Homicide illustrates the problem attendant with paedophilia. This sad case deals with the death of a 12 year old girl Rosario Baluyot.

    One night, on 14 May 1987, outside the Happy Bake Shop just near Lot 21 Magsaysay Drive, Rosario Baluyot, an abandoned street child, lay bleeding to death. Rosario died in agony six days later. Her death was the unplanned consequence of Heinrich Ritter’s paedophilic fantasies.

    Seven months before, on 10 October 1986, he took Rosario to the sordid MGM Hotel. There he tried to undertake sexual intercourse with her. Because of his size he was unable to consummate this act. Since Rosario was under the age of 12 when Ritter attempted intercourse, his action fell within the net of Article 335 of the Revised Penal Code that defines Statutory Rape as:

    “… committed by having carnal knowledge of a woman under the following circumstances:
    3. When the woman is under 12 years of age. “

    The operation of Article 335 succeeds even if the woman is a prostitute and the act of intercourse was by mutual consent. The law does not consider voluntary consent if the woman is under 12 years of age because such a person doesn’t possess her own will.

    Furthermore under Filipina law, it is not essential that there be complete penetration of the female organ nor is it essential to rupture the hymen. It is enough that the labia of the female organ be penetrated to consummate the crime of rape.

    To seek secondary gratification, Ritter inserted a vibrator into her vagina. During this period, the vibrator broke in two. Despite being a qualified medical practitioner, Ritter abandoned Rosario to her fate. During the following months new skin in the vaginal canal grew around the object. The surgeon who operated upon her stated that pus filled her abdominal cavity, fallopian tubes, ribs, and liver. This resulted from antecedent septicaemia. In other words, Rosario suffered from blood poisoning due to a massive infection. Following the operation she died of a heart attack at 2.00 pm, 20 May 1987.

    While the death of Rosario was an unintended consequence of Ritter’s rape, Article 4 of the Revised Penal Code considers that:

    “Criminal liability shall be incurred:
    (a) By any person committing felony (delito) although the wrongful act done be different from that which he intended.”

    As Gutierres JJ stated in Urbano v Hon Intermediate Appellate Court:

    “… the accused is criminally responsible for acts committed by him in violation of law, and for all the natural and logical consequences resulting therefrom.”

    Maria Burgos, Rosario’s grandmother laid a complaint with the City Fiscal’s Office. First Assistant City Fiscal Dorentino Floresta investigated the case and brought the evidence to court indicting Ritter for rape and homicide.

    Before Ritter’s trial, defence attorney Legaspi, the acting Mayor of Olongapo City, offered a 15,000 Pesos bribe to Maria Burgos in exchange for the withdrawal of her complaint. She received the money and Legaspi offered a further sum of 5,000 Pesos if no conviction occurred. After Legaspi made the offer Maria Burgos went to Father Shay Cullen and told him the story. Father Cullen, a Colombian Priest, initially informed her about Rosario’s death. The offer to compromise the complaint by way of bribe from Ritter became compelling and admissible evidence in criminal law for demonstrating an implied admission of guilt. On 29 March 1989 the court convicted Ritter with Rosario’s rape and murder. He received a life sentence.

    In postscript, Ritter appealed to the Philippines Supreme Court. In March 1991 the Supreme Court found that Rosario was indeed over the age of twelve and thus a prostitute and not a minor. Consequently this finding quashed the rape charge and set Ritter free. Thereafter Ritter quickly left the Philippines.

    This is one case amongst many. The hero in this story was City Fiscal Dorentino Floresta who fought against massive corruption and lack of co-operation from the police who were paid off by the various US agencies. The work of Father Shay Cullen was outstanding in bringing this to light.

    And you really are that sentimental about this American “Tommy Atkins”. Make no mistake about it, the memory of Rosario Baluyot will be kept alive. She should have been 38 and enjoying her family. Instead she is a casualty of Subic Bay and “Tommy Atkins”.

    The question you have to ask yourself Flatus: If this were your daughter, would you be happy to allow her to die at the hands of a “Tommy Atkins” paedophile for the greater glory of the US state and Kipling’s sentimentality?

  62. Well, the daffodils are four inches up. And, surely, if I poke around in the pine straw in the garden on the south side of the house, I’ll find crocus-sized iris ready to bloom. And, if I look at the weather map, I know Mother Nature’s youngest flowers are going to be frozen solid in a week.

  63. Greetings from the desert.

    Governor, stick my finger in the president’s face, Jan Brewer has decided to ease off on the GOP kool-aid and expand medicaid to the poor of AZ. A small turnaround for a Gooper.

    Jace, you were on quite a roll this morning with several interesting rants.

    RR, a tank on Amazon? Neat! Gotta get one of those babies for my lawn. That will deter a bunch of law breaking, gun toting crooks, for sure!

  64. Bill, your points are taken.

    Specifically in Dr Ritter’s case,wasn’t he an Austrian pedophile rather than an American serviceman?

    I am certainly not so naive to suggest that American servicemen have not committed horrible crimes against the citizens of their host countries. You and I know this behavior is the exception rather than the rule.

    In every case these allegations are handled IAW (in accordance with) the SOFAs (Status of Forces Agreements) negotiated by the governments of the Host and the United States.

    If there is no SOFA, the allegation will be investigated and tried IAW with US Military Law which has been enacted by the Government of the United States.

    In my decades of service, I have not served with any individual who has been accused of a crime against a citizen of a host country. But, I realize that literally millions of Americans have served their country overseas and that individuals have been accused, tried, and found guilty.

    To my dismay, the period of incarceration for individuals found guilty in Japanese courts is disappointingly short.

  65. Then there is the problem when China decides their territory in the South China sea extends to Australia./snark

    Jack… I hear they make a mean kangaroo with pea pods in duck sauce…

  66. The wife is in bed with the flu, I’m playing nurse today, don’t I look cute in my new uniform?

    Jack

  67. Jack,
    Dumb me, I didn’t realize that the costume shops would have kinky nurses uniforms in male styles. Good on you!

  68. About all of our debt that is in Chinese hands.
    I’m reminded of the JP Morgan quote. “When you are broke and owe the bank $100 it is your problem. When you are broke and owe the bank a $100 million it is the banks problem. I wouldn’t worry much about China until they start selling all their US holdings.

    Jack

  69. However, if I was a smaller country inside what China is starting to believe is it’s natural sphere of influence then I would be very worried.

    And double that worry if I had natural resources that China needs

    Jack

  70. CT

    Yep we both got it this year, the wife always does because of all her travel. Sometimes I do some times I don’t, Kind of if and when. If I think of it when I’m where I can get one. This year my new Doc. had them so I got one there.

    Seems there is a strain going around that didn’t make the mix or so I hear.

    Jack

  71. The shot doesn’t cover all of the strains but it usually covers the worst of them. I haven’t missed getting one in many years, since I last time I had the flu. I don’t do flu well.

  72. no flu shot….did craig’s 2000 mg at the first outset and everyone was sick but me.
    Long story short.

    been a whale of a nice read today. koo-dro’s to the writers.

  73. Colorado Bob says fasten your chinstraps, get ready cause hell is coming to breakfast, and puts up reams of material most of which seems to point to the certainty that some damnable excrement is coming down the pike towards me and you and all de fellow human-guys. Ask, what can one do about it?
    Nada.
    (“Our nada which art in Nada, Nada be thy nada.” --Hemingway, in “The Gambler, The Nun, and the Radio”.)

    I happen to believe him, of course; I believe everything.

    What you has there is a voice crying in the wilderness. That voice has a history so rich and going back so many centuries that people can’t write about it all at once….they have to break it into manageable portions…..repent, the end is near. used to see it on billboards and pine trees when I was a kid.
    Look to your immortal soul, the time is nigh.
    Check out all those old dudes holding forth in the local market places and whatnot whose stuff ended up in the Old Testament.
    Like I said, a very old and patinaed voice.

    If you ever get a chance, i highly recommend a reading of the short story “The Gambler, The Nun, and the Radio” by old ernest. can’t remember if it has a voice crying in the wilderness or not but it could have, being old ernest.

  74. It must be something in our Christian culture, cause we do love to scare ourselves.

    Jack

  75. when I think about climate shit coming down on me i usually think something like, “Oh good….more shit.”

    I walked up that Guggenheim….you know the one that looks like a big slinky toy? Skateboarder’s nightmare. Anyway I walked all the way to the top and looked at everything I could see…..at the very top is a bullet-proof Lucite box about 2 x 2 x 2 sitting on a very nice stand and in the box on a velvet cushion is the piece of art. It’s a small tin can with a home-made label reading, “Merde”.

    Someday I’ll look it up and find out the artist what done it.

    When, at Thermopylae, Leonidas, one of Sparta’s two Kings, was informed by the envoy of the Persian Great King that he should give up because The Great King’s archers would fill the skies with arrows, Leonidas replied, “Good. Then we’ll fight in the shade”. Leonidas knew what the deal was.

  76. “Chloe, watching The Daily Show on the 14th I learned that CNN has eliminated their investigative news dept. A prof media analysist, Brad Atgate, said that investigative journalism is not profitable, is too costly………. Sad that I learn more from a 30 minute comedy news shows”

    Carol,
    Thanks for passing that info. on to us.

    It ‘is’ sad you had to hear it on a comedy show… that it wasn’t even considered important enough to be news worthy. A lost era, I guess.

  77. Jack, I hope your wife is feeling better soon. Are you sure it’s the flu?

    There’s a lot of illness going around (that usually involves a bad cough) and when they test it, it comes up negative as being the flu.

    Maybe like Carol said though, if they missed it in the shot, then they also don’t catch it on the test either.

    Love your nursing avatar. Hope you don’t catch the flu too.

    Careful.

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