Trail Mixers Say: No More Permanent Underclass

bottomlineAs far as I’m concerned here’s why this blog is special, and why I work so hard to keep it going — as a forum for heartfelt truth, such as this offering on Monday from Trail Mixers jace and Dexter

jace says: I think that many in power, not all mind you, but many have lost the ability to be outraged by the current state of the unemployed and under employed. The blame-the-victim meme has taken hold at a number of different levels. I begin to feel as though that there is a certain segment of the population that is desirous of a large and permanent underclass.

40 hours a week for both husband and wife will no longer buy the American dream. Too many live just one medical emergency or one large repair bill away from a disaster.

I am not convinced that the will exists either politically or socially to address high unemployment.

DexterJohnson says: jace, you hammered that nail straight home, sir. For working people, those by circumstance or chance who just didn’t have time or opportunity to go to post high-school education palaces, the American Dream has been about two hopes: A rich uncle with real estate leaves you a piece in his will, or you hit the lottery. I can’t hit the Big One and all my elders are long dead. My inheritance, total, from the preceding generation of family members? Some coffee cups and saucers. Life can be a dream; dream on …

94 thoughts on “Trail Mixers Say: No More Permanent Underclass

  1. Thanks for the shout out, Craig. I kind of wish I hadn’t watched the David Corn-Michael Isikoff-Rachel Maddow show last night. It brought out the rage I had sort of mellowed from since we left Cheney and Bush43 four years ago.
    Re-hashing those lies made me feel a tad nauseous. Rice, Cheney , Tennet, Rumsfeld, Bush, even Powell, yeah, that’s right, they corrupted him as well! I had heard he was a courageous soldier, serving two tours in Vietnam years before I was sent there, but after the UN fiasco of lies I have dismissed him as nothing but a slimy hack with no more credibility than Jack Abramhoff.

    All is well , but Craig, we need to stock the Trail Mix fridge with yogurt and fresh fruit…and some damn baloney and white bread and ketchup for the night owls and , of course, the hungry Night Watchman.

  2. I was rolling ideas around in my brain, trying to find words for the current crop of crazies and what they really want, and I admitted to myself that, in all honesty, they actually do want a permanent underclass.
    The idea was so mean that I hated the thought that a huge group of Americans felt that way, but I couldn’t deny it. Then I come to read this and I am un-settled
    because the words are the exact same. This is nothing else but soft wayof saying that these people reject the ideas the country was founded on.

    They really do hate our nation and the constitution.
    What hateful selfish hypocritical people they are.

  3. Jace & Dexter,
    Great Comments.

    Nothing to add but that as I write this, there are people going through my garbage cans looking for cans and bottles. This happens every week, in the wee hours of the morning. They think I do not know they do this. Well, I do, and if any of my garbage helps them, please let them find it. It has been a ritual for years. People live like this, in 2013, in America.

  4. Do you think it’s possible that by having a lot of people struggling, there are less people who have the time and energy to really notice what’s going on and try to do something about it??

    If that is an objective, then legalize marijuanna and we can all get loaded and say…cool.

  5. Jace… let me echo that you nailed it. Methinks it’s mostly the CEO’s and Wall Streeters that are the head of it.
    Business doesn’t like it when unemployment is low and the workers are in the driver’s seat. They much prefer it when a worker knows there’s 100 other people clamoring for his/her job. Then they can make demands and the worker feels he/she hasn’t much of a choice. The politician does their bidding. The politician needs their campaign money.
    The politician is basically business’ marionette.

  6. Dex… I had the same thing happen to me last night while watching Maddow’s special. I think hate is a strong word and I rarely use it against another human being. But… I really do hate Dick Cheney. And seeing his scowling face and all that denial made me want to punch him all over again.

    And seeing Dough Feith state “we didn’t know we wouldn’t find weapons of mass destruction” was incredulous. Yeah… I believe that as much as I believe there are unicorns and Santa rides one… F**khead…

  7. If you charted a graph of a society’s wealth, it would be expected to form the classic bell curve. But money buys influence and favorable regulation; hence, it is a steep hill from the left to the right.

  8. I must admit that seeing my comment at the top of the page is way better than a thumbs up. Thanks Craig.

    The best part about it though is having the discussion with a bunch of folks who really care, and take the time to make their voices heard and share their well informed opinions. ;-)

  9. Dex& RR,

    I had the same reaction to the Maddow special.
    I could feel my stomach knot up the longer that it went on.

    My greatest fear is, that just like the financial melt down, our failure to hold any one accountable for the war in Iraq will ultimately to lead to similar episodes.

    I am not convinced that impeachment should have ever been taken ‘off the table’. It is usually advisable to look in the rear view mirror, before moving forward.

  10. One final comment about Iraq, and I promise it will be my last.
    The only conclusion that I drew after watching the Maddow special last night, was that in George Bush, Cheney, Wolfawitz and company found the perfect puppet for their purposes.
    I am convinced beyond any reasonable question or doubt that had Bush been opposed to invading Iraq,the Cheney cabal would have found a way to replace him with someone more to their liking, either at the ballot box or by a palace coup. The constitution and the will of the people meant nothing to these people. Seldom if ever in our history have we had such dangerous and misguided people that close to the levers of power.

  11. Things that would help people that our government could do to even the score and still have a thriving capitalist nation: Provide free health care to everyone; have a basic housing allowance for all; turn employment offices into employment agencies that will actually connect people with jobs; provide a nurturing allowance to all families with young children; connect college cost to tax payment so that a portion of a person’s future tax liability is designated to pay previous college expenses; make the minimum wage a real living wage. This is not pie-in-the-sky. Australia is doing this right now.

  12. This is not pie-in-the-sky. Australia is doing this right now.

    divalicious

    and effective gun safety legislation as well…
    Shout-out to Flatus I heard Pursed Lips Morgan say on CNN

    it’s really about “gun safety”

  13. Unfortunately when it comes to employment, the law of supply and demand is in full force. With the elimination of manufacturing and intense labor occupations giving way to service and assembly jobs much of which can be done by computers, the jobs available are greatly diminished.

    When people are working only for their own survival rather than performing a necessary function to contribute to the needs of society as a whole, they lose their value. Unfortunately, the rich and powerful have never been unwilling to take advantage of these conditions through the use of as close to slave labor as possible.

  14. A wonderful sentiment, indeed, but converse to the Democratic policies advocated here, by many, such as the Affordable Care Act, environmental regulation, increased minimum wage, and such, all which have a chilling effect on employment. You can’t have your cake and eat it, too. That would be nice, though.

  15. Iggy

    I beg to differ if we invested in the industries to really do something about the environment — pretty much everyone would have a job

    The affordable health care act provides lots of new jobs in the insurance industry

    The lack of employment opportunities..is because the rich don’t need employment opportunities

  16. Champ

    That would be a fine statement if there were any proof that a rise in the minimum wage decreases jobs, but there isn’t any other than the anecdotal laden imagination of the GOP

  17. A positive consequence of the current economic climate is to compel state and municipal governments to get creative with commercial investment incentives, of which there are many successful examples. I’ll look for a examples when I can. The economic turnaround of Pittsburgh and the resulting influx of leading-edge technology companies to that area comes to mind immediately.

  18. Voting is supposed to be a system that reflects the will of its citizens. More than half-a-million more Americans voted for Democratic Federal House of Representatives candidates than for Republicans House candidates. But the Republicans won 55% of the seats in the House.

    In the 2010 election Republicans won control of a substantial majority of state governments. They then used that power to re-draw congressional district lines in such a way as to maximize the Republican outcome in the 2012 House election. I think it’s safe to say that the elaborate redistricting helped the Republican Party win their current House majority.

    Florida should be praised for taking action against the most pervasive and effective voter manipulation of all: partisan gerrymandering. Florida’s two 2010 Fair District constitutional amendments, which prohibited incumbents from redrawing electoral maps in their own favor, made the local and national races more competitive. I believe that passing these 2 amendments allow Florida’s Democrats to pick-up four (4) of the eight (8) Federal House of Representatives seats and six Florida state legislature spots.

    Before we can get the money out of elections with a Federal Campaign Finance Reform Constitutional Amendment we need to reduce partisan gerrymandering as much as possible with state constitutional amendments. Then we just might just get the 75% state support for a Federal Campaign Finance Reform Constitutional Amendment.

  19. The national minimum wage was first established in The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 at $0.25 current dollars or $4.07 of 2012 dollars. The 2012 dollars peak was in 1968 at $10.56 or $1.60 in 1968 dollars. Since 1969 and the start of the Nixon Administration the minimum wage has failed to keep up with inflation. The longest decline was during the Carter/Reagan Administrations.

  20. Purple,
    Thanks for posting the wage graph (…and Craig, that enlargement feature is great!).

    The chart reinforces my memory of the late sixties and early seventies. It was a time where one could work a normal job and be paid well for it — even support oneself with no problem. It’s the best I remember things ever being financially.

    I know there were problems with that spike (and it would be nice if it had lasted longer) but that’s a whole other conversation.

    The world has changed so drastically since then. In many ways I think it’s a better place, but of course, in others ways things are much worse.

  21. Looks as if there’s an inverse correlation between the federal minimum wage and women in the workplace.

  22. We should remember that our Revolutionary experiment proposed to abolish the permanent (hereditary) overclass. Estate taxes are the chief tools for preventing the re-establishment of an hereditary overclass.

  23. Flatus

    Sending women into the workplace just to maintain a standard of middle class income was pretty well what destroyed most of what we considered volunteer service in the educational and medical fields. We don’t need to go into the societal impact on the family of needing two or three incomes, latch key kids, crime rates, divorce rates, abandoned children, single mothers … It really doesn’t matter who works full or part time, but someone needs to be in the home to attend to the family and neighborhood.

  24. Sweetie is sending me off to stimulate the economy. It is 9F and breezy -- a nice MN day. However, No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service. So, I guess I’ll put something on besides sunscreen.

  25. champ your kardashev comment reminded me of mr. wilde’s

    America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.

  26. Dang XR, I had to go put on another jacket after reading your weather report and it’s 66 here. And I’m wearing warm ups and sitting on a heated throw.

  27. It really doesn’t matter who works full or part time, but someone needs to be in the home to attend to the family and neighborhood.

    jamie, well said. and with a little creative thinking sometimes such arrangements turnout far less expensive. savings on child care costs, fast food costs, additional transportation costs… never mind the benefits.

  28. divalicias, thanks for the wrap up. While you may look on with envy, we are told by our politicians that we are struggling, we are in continuous pain and they know our pain. We have a political culture which is too frightened to say “Things are fine.” So we have a government that has successfully steered our nation through the GFC and experienced an economic boom with full employment and coffers -- you would think they would be popular but hell no. They so on the nose the political party will be wiped out at the next election to be replaced by morons of the ilk your friends are rousing about in this column.

  29. I have been reflecting over this notion of social concern and the only answer I can come up with is the Irish Catholics. So I came up with the Law of Irish Catholic Consequences.

    Societal care for the greater good of all members is directly proportional to the influence of the Irish Catholic voice in that community.

  30. Yup, CT, it warmed up quite a bit since the AM when it hit -7F.

    When it gets to -30F tree the bark onsometree starts to snap with reports like gunshots. Roofing shrinks, shearing the roofing nails: BANG! A nail head goes flying. Dogs get frozen to the fire hydrants*. -35F is the all time record here in St. Paul. My personal record was -38F with about a 60 mph wind, on Chisago Lake in the early 70s.

    Tower, MN recorded -64F a few years back. That was MN at it’s all time most brutal . . . maybe. The thermometer across the lake in the rival (for cold) town of Embarrass broke that night. Heaven knows how cold it got over there.
    * That last one was an old Garrison Keillor joke.

  31. xrepub, your Toucan looks great. when u guys change or upload new gravatars, give it some time. there’s a bit of process there before it shows up.

  32. I can’t enlarge those avatars when I click on them. I had to increase the zoom on my screen to see that it was a bird. My eye sight isn’t getting better, it’s getting older.

  33. CT,

    Jackets don’t cut any ice, as it were.

    When the Alberta Clipper catches you by surprise on the high plains, kill a bison and
    1. open the soft underbelly,
    2. shovel out the loose stuff,
    3. crawl inside it, and
    4. pull the flaps shut.

    If you’re lucky, the weather will turn in a day or so. Then you can emerge like the butterfly from her chrysalis.

  34. spent december and january in moose jaw oncet…..mostly 40 below F. 40 below F. = 40 below C. A car ran into a fire hydrant from which issued a spout of water which arced about 20 feet off the ground at the peak and shot all the way across the street. It froze from across the street back towards the hydrant until it froze all the way to the hydrant and shut off the flow. Ice arc over the street. very cold.

  35. Bill,
    A key word in your post:community. People texting, talking on the cell phone or listening to music is now the norm when outside the home. There is very little interaction with those around them. We’ve become a group of individuals instead of a community. Good word:community. Thanks for the reminder.
    Good luck to your family. It sounded like quite the move! Glad you have time now to post more often. What you have to say is always thought provoking.

  36. Moose Jaw gets serious winters.

    Edmonton, Radium City, Saskatoon, Regina, Medicine Hat, Swift Current, Flin Flon, North Bay, and Cochrane too.

    Except for Edmonton, there isn’t much to do besides work andwatch hockey in any of these places.

  37. sjwny, what you describe is a sad development. I’ll never get used to it. They ought to teach cell phone etiquette in school for people who are too dumb to know better.

  38. in moose jaw there ain’t a hill for a hundred miles and the wind feels like it’s coming from mars. as for work and watch hockey….there’s also a bunch of crazy moo-jicians from nashville in the bar at the royal hotel.

    there are those in SC who knew mark sanford was a crazy [expletive deleted] long before he hiked the trail. mark sanford’s ass.
    but still, i imagine it took a lot of iron to live with ms jenny.

  39. ct,
    True story: I was in a grocery store and a middle aged man was standing in front of the instant hot cocoa section, cell phone attached to his ear. Part of the conversation:(honest)”Now honey, do you want mini marshmallows or not? Oh wait -- here’s one where the marshmallows are shaped like stars!”

    How many times have you heard a person ask a question and thought they were talking to you? You answer, and then get a dirty look. Ugh! Earpiece!
    I know someone who reported a “person wandering around, talking to herself” to a store manager. Been tempted to do that myself ;)

  40. You just can’t tell who’s a schizophrenic anymore these days. I’ll have to admit that I’ve talked to a friend while grocery shopping but I put my phone down on my purse and have it on speaker. Everyone can hear that I’m talking to someone and what we’re saying. Usually I’m getting a recipe or trying to find where or what a certain item is.

    Once I invited a friend to come to dinner with my sis who was visiting. She spent the entire time texting on the phone. I think she was uncomfortable with people she didn’t know but I was sooo embarrased. She was a fairly new friend but was an x friend shortly after. This was a person in her late 40s or early 50s, not a young person, raised on that technology. I find that kind of stuff just plain rude.

  41. Kilimanjaro is a snow-covered mountain 19,710 feet high, and is said to be the highest mountain in Africa. Its western summit is called by the Masai “Ngaje Ngai,” the House of God. Close to the western summit there is the dried and frozen carcass of a leopard. No one has explained what the leopard was seeking at that altitude.

    probably just out hiking.

  42. ct says: I can’t enlarge those avatars when I click on them.

    ct, that’s a feature, called hovercards, i’m having trouble re-installing, haven’t yet figured out why. working on it.

  43. Carol, my grand daughter is like that and so are her friends. They just sit with each other texting on their phones. Probably texting each other but too lazy to talk.

    Two things I really hate:

    #1. Someone in a shop who is serving me, answering a phone call and putting me on hold -- like the person in front of you with money in their hand does not count for anything. This is queue jumping at its worst and I really resent it.

    #2. Someone taking a phone call in a restaurant and then speaking loudly so they can be heard over the noise in the restaurant. That is sooo rude.

    #3. People sitting at your table texting each other.

    #4. People with poor mathematical skills who never can add numbers up correctly.

    :grin:

  44. Jamie, is that pic a vision test or a find the hidden object in this pic? I’ve been taught that those are giraffes. Or are you testing to see who’s still sober?

  45. Obama, Sequester and “Meat Cleaver” Republicans
    by Taylor Marsh

    I’m not in favor of what Obama offered up in 2011, but it should be noted he offered the grand bargain on entitlements, which still wasn’t enough for Republicans. So let’s not pretend the situation today was President Obama’s doing.

    Once again, Republicans are willing to scuttle the U.S. economy, just like what caused the sequester to be offered up in the first place.

  46. Beautiful Florida day, mid 80′s. Oh X, wishing i could blow some warm air your way.. This pic was looking out at the Inter-coastal waterway in New Smyrna Beach..

  47. I wonder if the Republicans are really going to allow the DOD to be cut to the extent that sequester mandates

  48. The following is based upon the average bottom 90% family income. The chart is from 1917 through 2011. Average Income has been adjusted to the Consumer Price Index -- All Urban Consumers (CPI-U) for 2012.

    From 1949 to 1973, 24 years, the average bottom 90% family income rose from $19,706.68 to a peak of $40,022.13 in 1973. Since 1973, 38 years, the family income has declined to $31,066.81. A decline of $8,955.31 or 22.4 percent. The bottom 90% has been screwed by both political parties.

  49. Greetings from the desert. I wasn’t home last night to see Rachel Maddow’s Hubris. I did, however, record it and watched it tonight with my wife. I, like so many of you, are outraged that, one, we actually lived through it and, two, these perpetrators of lies and fraud and the loss of so many American and Iraqi lives, walk amongst us and continue to revise history to their behalf. We need a Nuremberg like trial for at least a dozen American souls who sold out their country for greed and hubris. To Rachel Maddow, I hope you have reopened the case against these war criminals, who should be brought to trial for crimes against humanity.

    Jace, don’t ever be quiet about this American history and why it should never be far from our minds. Keep on keeping Rachel and all the others who in the deepest recesses of our minds believe that our country stands for more than simple warfare to appease leaders.

    Good night from the desert.

  50. ok, i’ve restored hovercards, meaning that you can hover mouse over a commenter’s avatar and see larger versions and profiles (but not for the generic ones) — BUT this feature conflicts with the smiley button plugin we were using, so i’ve got to go find one that doesn’t — we must have our smileys! also conflicts with the preview button, but with the editing feature i figured we don’t much need that anyway

  51. with these new “accessories” on board let’s keep an eye on page-build speed. each are add-ons that build separately, so let me know if you experience significant slow-downs. so far so good tho, it seems

  52. “Just one more cow” :cow2: I’ll tell you about this. A few years ago Imus was on RFD Channel, until Patrick Gottsch couldn’t afford him anymore, and Craig was pretty much an “I-Fave” then, appearing regularly. One morning Craig was telling the I-Man how he had become fond of the RFD Channel, and had become hooked on the cattle auctions.
    Craig, pinched for time, with stuff to do, knew he had to leave the TV but he kept telling himself “just one more cow.” It got a big laugh from Imus and Charles and Bernie.
    Well, Jim Nantz of CBS Sports came on the show just before that year’s SuperBowl. Imus told him to work in a secret shout to the I-Man, and Nantz said he would somehow say “just one more cow” during the broadcast. And when the time came, Nantz told a story of a player from out west who worked on a ranch and had to get to his football game but first he had to tend to just “one more cow.” It was hilarious. He did it! And it was a big feather in Craig’s cap. :cow:

  53. Hey dudes and dudettes, if you want to stay in touch with the wicked world, and know stuff before almost anyone else does, “friend” NBC’s Richard Engel on Facebook. He’s right there , everywhere, in touch, on the ground or tuned in from cyberspace. :yes:

  54. Oh God,

    Look at this expanded list of emoticons.

    I’ll bet there is even one for shit storm alert. :-)

  55. Chloe,

    Stop lurking and log in, we need to talk.

    When I got home tonight and checked this blog I found that a couple of comments you had made on this thread had been deleted. That of course is your choice, but they were well worth reading and completely appropriate to the subject at hand.

    My statement that I had made ‘my last comment about the Iraq war’ was not intended to suggest that any one else should not talk about it but rather that I personally had been beating it to death as of late.

    The lead up to the Iraq war and the war itself have been for me, a bone stuck in my throat that I am unable to dislodge.Not only was it a fraud perpetrated on the American public but it rose to the constitutional level of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors.’ Impeachable offenses.

    Millions of Americans would agree with that assessment, but that won’t change the result.

    No amount of railing on my part will change that, nor will it break loose the aforementioned bone in my throat.

    It is not good for me personally to keep referring to it. That said I have no issue with you or anyone else venting their spleen in that regard.

    Please don’t misinterpret my remarks and don’t ever fail to take advantage of the opportunity to express your opinion here on any issue. Fire away girl. :-)

  56. In an earlier post, I made mention to the Irish Catholics. Brevity and time meant that the post was the conclusion and not the meat.

    I was thinking over the change in community values over the last century and am trying to understand why we have reached this particular space where victims are blamed for what is a cynical economic policy implemented by many treasuries around the world -- viz, to keep a permanent underclass to undercut welfare payments and worker’s conditions. Go to any economic text or course taught at any university and you will see that this is the latest mantra proudly preached from the classrooms of Mammon.

    So what has changed over the last century?

    The only social movement that I can see has been marginalised is the influence of the Irish Catholic minority. At the beginning of the 20th century, the influence of the Irish Catholics in both the US and Australia was profound. All the major social movements which improved the welfare of the ordinary person in our communities has been stimulated by the Irish Catholic movement. Unions were profoundly influenced by their ethos while political parties (in the US, the Dems and in Oz, the ALP) took their lead from the Union culture. In Oz, as in the US, the Irish Catholics lead the anti War movements during the Great War. Even though Oz went to war with Britain, its war effort was hamstrung by the Irish Catholic movement whose philosophy was clearly articulated by Archbishop Danial Mannix. This influence held firm until the early 50′s when the anti-Coimmunist movement in the Catholic Church split the labour movement and so weakened it irreparably. The high water point of union movements in our two countries was 1969-70 and then it has steadily declined.

    A nation with a strong labour movement meant that the protections of the ordinary person was taken care of by a body with the muscle to back its demands.

    The Catholic Church has marginalised itself as a focus for change. Scandals relating to its priests coupled with backward looking policies has meant that the moral authority of the church has been so degraded it no longer serves as a rallying point for quality social thought and movement. Jesuits are no longer viewed as social progressives. Irish Catholics themselves have been drowned in a sea of other cultures and philosophies.

    Nature abhors a vacuum. Enter the Tea Party and other extremist groups. These fervently believe in the superiority of the individual over the society. This is a dreadful philosophy which views neighbours as enemies and governments contributing nothing to their lives. We have these very same crazies in Oz who have every potential to take over the reigns of government during this very year.

    The end result of this philosophy is a Hobbsian hell where it is even reasonable to preemptively attack one’s neighbour.

    “In such condition there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain, and consequently, not culture of the earth, no navigation, nor the use of commodities that may be imported by sea, no commodious building, no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force, no knowledge of the face of the earth, no account of time, no arts, no letters, no society, and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death, and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.

    There is now room for a new social movement.

  57. The tee party thinks we fought the Revolution to put an end to all government that doesn’t subsidize Big Oil, specifically the kochonspiritors.

  58. I notice that tee rippers are now circulating batshitcrazy rants and news articles ‘enhanced’ with batshitcrazy rants against Obama and drones.

    rippers only approve of
    1. nra drones,
    2. drones for patroling black, Hispanic, and egghead neighborhoods, and
    3. drones that can spy on the Washington Redskins for the Dallas Cowboys.

    This muss bee uh reeeeeaaallly Libbrull blog, cuz them ee moat ike cons don’t have no Gawd-Given high capacity rapid fire Scydarm nohow, noway. No high capacity rapid fire raffle neathur.
    But thems got a droan in thuh secund row from thuh bottom betwixt them payra smurf legs and that thayr pinko awe toe mobeel.

    Yup. Purty dayam Librull, thass fir shore !

  59. Tonyb, your sharing of warm FL air (and flair) will make MN 10 -- 12 degrees warmer tomorrow. Thanks, you are a decent guy.

    I am damn happy to live on a planet that grows the likes of you.

  60. The headline on Huff Post…

    “INCARCERATION USA: FOOTBALL STADIUM NAMED AFTER PRIVATE PRISON COMPANY”

    for what it’s worth. I didn’t read the article that went with it. But isn’t it a shame!

    It was obvious to me that prison/jail is a business and we are paying out the ass for it..in more than one way.

  61. You go back to the eighteenth century, there wasn’t much difference between what was called the First World and the Third World, in fact India was in many ways more advanced than England. But the European powers were able to impose, by force, what are now called neo-liberal programmes, pure market systems. It destroyed these countries. Meanwhile they themselves never obeyed these rules and still don’t.
    All of them, including the US, has radical state intervention in the economy, at every level.

    --noam chomsky tweets.

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