Here’s an illuminating exchange on immigration between Trail Mix regulars Bill Woerlee (our Australian rep) and eProf2 (our man in the desert) …
Bill Woerlee says:
I am quite confused as to why there is any debate about immigration. Yet there is in both the US and Oz.
Immigration is an economic gain to the receiving country. The receiving country has effectively outsourced the costs of rearing a fully functioning economic contributor to the society. All the costs have been borne by the source country. No funds come back for reimbursement. For countries like the US and Oz, that is stealing the wealth from 3rd world countries for their own economic gain. The token overseas aid programs do not even begin to cover this net transfer of wealth.
The immigrants, be they legal or illegal, tend to be the most enterprising of the source nations human capital, so they are usually the ones these nations can ill afford to lose.
If the argument is that immigrants tend to reduce the pay received by the indigenous population, then this is an illusion. Jobs that need to be protected in the private sector are generally jobs that should not be done. It is not up to the society to pay the wages of these people through job protection — the subsidy from the society is the difference between the wage that is paid with protection and that which would be paid without protection. Everyone pays that subsidy.
This economic wage free trade tends to lift the wage rate in the source countries and the net rate is lifting them out of poverty too. This has some serious knock on effects for the global economy.
It comes back to the original confusion. Why all the fuss when the results are all plus.
Bill gets two thumbs up from me with his excellent analysis on immigration, legal and otherwise. As I said earlier, if it were only an economic debate, the issue would be laid to rest immediately. It’s the political and racial arguments that nativists (who won’t have much to do with Native Americans) who throw out all of the false arguments denouncing migrants.
Senator McCain, who is one of the biggest race baiters in Arizona who preaches, “be afraid, be very afraid,” was booed and shouted down last night in Sun Lake, AZ, at an all white Republican audience as being too liberal on immigration reform. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bigot!
Bill Woerlee says:
That McCain is the same fellow who said: “Being a POW gives me a free pass on being a douche for the rest of my life.”?
Don’t worry eProf, in Oz we have a race going on to see who can get to the bottom of the moral pit between our major party protagonists. It’s a total disgrace but our rednecks lap it up. Our comparative to Rush is Alan Jones aka the Parrot, who has a remarkably harmogenous audience in Sinny ready to beat up on anyone who is “different”.
15,000 km and the crap is still the same.
We are one, but we are many …
Yes, Bill, I think that’s the same one. And, if not a douche, then an expert on foreign policy with an eye to go to war at a moment’s notice. He’s never seen a war situation that he didn’t like! … The local and national news outlets have run the John McCain town hall push back all day long. It’s been somewhat gratifying to see all these negative McCain news items, as I’m not a fan, but then, like all the other Arizona news that makes it nationally, I started to feel bad for my state and the thousands of good willed people who live here and must tolerate the Brewer finger pointing, the McCain “build the dang fence,” the passage of permissible gun laws allowing guns in bars and churches, show me your paper laws, et cetera. It’s been a decade of “party of stupid” moves starting in AZ. So, it is with mixed emotions that I sat fascinated with the national news stories of our Senator being accosted with even more “stupidity” by our residents. No wonder, AZ is the butt of jokes and is looked to as the poster child of reactionary politics, mostly by a few zealots and political demagoguery. See you tomorrow, perhaps, without a local story showing the AZ party of stupid.