Mars Flows

Evidence of Stream Flow on Mars
Evidence of Stream Flow on Mars

OK enough already, NASA has damn well proved there was once water on Mars — and plenty of it. Now what?

"It's not going to do any good to land on Mars if we're stupid." -- Ray Bradbury
“It’s not going to do any good to land on Mars if we’re stupid.” — Ray Bradbury

“This image from NASA’s Mars rover Curiosity shows inclined layering known as cross-bedding in an outcrop called “Shaler,” indicative of sediment transport in stream flows. Currents mold the sediments into small underwater dunes that migrate downstream. The grain sizes here are coarse enough to exclude wind transport.” — NASA Mars Science Laboratory

Always worth repeating: The cost of the entire 12-year Curiosity mission to Mars amounts to less than two weeks of what we spend on the Afghan War.

117 thoughts on “Mars Flows”

  1. Woo hoo.

    It looks like the aftermath of a wild party.

    Maybe it wasn’t water after all. Vodka looks a lot like water. Coulda been an ocean of gin, too.

    Bummer that we got there after it was all sucked up.

  2. In the long run, it would have been cheaper to make war on Mars. We could have won by now and enjoyed the ticker tape parade,if only we still had ticker tapes. But then, osama bin ladin would still be at large and going blind watching tv in poor light.

    But, perhaps that’s not your point.

    You probably mean that we don’t spend enough on space related research. If this is your point, I am your Amen! man.

  3. Yep xrepub, call me crazy but spending pennies to find the origin of life compared to spending our treasure and blood in the sand? Reverse that equation and our planet might be salvageable.

  4. I am a firm believer in the unmanned explorations. They are far cheaper. I know that the romance of the manned ship finding new & exotic lands built support for NASA in the early days, but the public can also get sentimental about little beer cans on wheels. Kinds like the movie Cars, in which we invest inanimate junk (cartoon inanimate junk, to be precise) with human, loveable characters. In this brave new world we easily fall in love with Moon and Mars probes,and that’s great because they’re a lot easier to send and get back.

  5. I doubt that one can find the origin of life. I don’t think we know or even have the power to know what life is. Everyone has it, but no one can define or explain it. We can only live it and give anecdotes about the experience.

    It will be harder to find the origin of life on Mars than on earth. That is because although there may have been water we haven’t yet found an organism, spoor, or even a fossil. Yes, it appears there was water once. Water does not mean life, and life does not mean water.

    However, we may be able to find out a lot more about how earth first formed and how it came to be what it is, and earth is the place that we know teems with life.

  6. Oh, and I don’t call you crazy. You seem quite sane, in fact. How d’ya do it?

  7. Great stuff, science, engineering, and just plain “wonder what is out there?” thinking. And, it is being constrained by those who want to run our country like a small business with big buck.

  8. is that blue of the mars rocks a true color represented? if so could it be copper we are seeing?

  9. you’re welcome, chloe, but the guys i’ve quoted like wilde, flaubert, twain, nash and that ilk should be the ones you so sweetly thank. not me, a mere messenger.

  10. XR,

    We don’t disagree, I just stated it poorly. Faux Noise just won’t have Hugo Chavez to kick around any more.
    At least they won’t have to look far for a new boogie man.
    His name is Obama.

  11. Peaceful space exploration in the name of pure science, with the goal of expanding our understanding of the universe?
    I’m surprised it didn’t get sequestered!

  12. Hah! As if anyone in Washington cares about efficient use of tax dollars. I say cut TSA by 80%, get rid of subsidies and tax breaks to corporate interests – ag and otherwise – cut the military budget by 30% (he ducks expecting bricks to be thrown) and put the money saved toward social programs (I include ACA in this). On the tax side, go back to the early Clinton era. Let it all age for a few years then re-evaluate. 😮

  13. OK, unmanned space exploration is great – gathers lots of data and all that. Might even contribute to the human knowledge base about our universe. But short of manning spaceships with robots of the NS4/NS5 “I, Robot” ilk, how can we “explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations, and boldly go where no man has gone before?” And at warp speed (now where did I put the spare dilithium crystals?

  14. “Always worth repeating: The cost of the entire 12-year Curiosity mission to Mars amounts to less than two weeks of what we spend on the Afghan War.”

    If it was just either or Craig.

  15. I think space travel and other exploration is worth the money.

    I hope Jeb Bush runs and every time he appears I hope someone asks him — what are you going to do about the mess in Iraq?

    And to the political arms of the LGBT community…. In 2000 Shrub sent out the liar Mary Matalin* to tell the gay community he supported them and gay marriage only to zip up the tent door. Don’t be fooled – it’s all about getting on the train before it leaves the station…and it a NY minute they will turn on you.

    *Matalin has finally found her true level fired by CNN she is now at Fox and just as nasty and stupid as ever what waste of a human being

  16. To ABC whose idiots decided that oil painting by real artists of public officials could be replaced by photos reproduced on canvas. And quoting the Washington Times?????? not even qualified to be fish wrap

    What about supporting the arts?

    Our societal values are being trashed everyday by the idiots in the media. Lame shallow ignorant and amoral

  17. Pogo,

    but, but,we wouldn’t be safe from all those ‘terrorists and evil doers’. We’d be scared. 😕

  18. Bill Woerlee,

    Nash hit the nail on the head is my point!
    Nash 2.5 says:
    03/05/2013 at 2:52 PM

    Neo-Liberals (Like Obama and the Clintons) have to re-evaluate their love of big corporations.

    Big businesses (and the 1% that own and run them) do NOT give a damn about the 99%.

    My point is to expand on what Nash said and simply that the last three Democratic Presidents, Carter, Clinton and Obama, have very similar economic views as the Republicans; trickle-down economics, tax cuts increase government revenue, the use of financial austerity instead of Keynesian stimulus, free trade without regulation, and subscribe to the theory that anything that increases corporate profits is good for the economy and if government quits regulating and stays out of business, business will grow jobs.

    Just look at what the Democratic New York State Comptroller Thomas P. DiNapoli said on February 26 that sums up the current Democratic ideology “When the [Wall] Street does well, over time, everyone else in the economy benefits as well.” That is a pure 1% view!

    After both Carter and Clinton terms Republican Presidents were elected for 8 year terms. Don’t know what will happen after Obama with the GOP in disarray. But we thought that the GOP was in disarray after the 2008 election and the Democrats managed to screw-up the 2010 election with their apathy and lack of voter turnout to give the Republicans, Tea Party and social conservatives a resounding victory just as redistricting was starting for the decade. Don’t you just love the results of gerrymandering and the new voter suppression laws that keep the Republicans in the House?

    Deprogramming Progressives Indoctrinated into Supporting Austerity
    By William K. Black, December 28, 2012 9:20 AM


    Neoliberal economics has devastated the global economy and produced all of the predictive failures and evil consequences that progressives have long attributed to its micro-economic myths. Far too many progressives, however, continue to believe the similarly mythical and self-destructive macro-economic myths about deficits, debt, and austerity. It is hard enough countering Pete Peterson’s billion dollar campaign to inflict austerity and unravel and privatize the safety net. Peterson funds myriad front groups. We also have to counter the Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party, which dominates Treasury, OMB, the Justice Department, and the office of the Chief of Staff and favors austerity and unraveling the safety net. We should not have to deprogram progressives indoctrinated into repeating neoliberal economic dogmas.

    Progressives should be able to observe that the neoliberal macro-economic predictions have been consistently falsified by reality. They should have seen documentaries like Inside Job and Capitalism: A Love Story about the catastrophic failure of neoliberal economics and economists. They should read sites like New Economic Perspectives and Paul Krugman’s columns that explain why austerity is self-destructive and why the safety net need not, and should not, be attacked. Progressives need to say “no” to anyone who wants to “bleed” the economy through austerity or cutting the safety net.

  19. Good mornin’

    Craig… maybe you should go into the bumper sticker business… more space exploration/less war. It works for me.

    Carol… it has something to do with a google account registered with a mac email… I’m on a pc this week. I’ll be posting over at The Swamp again this weekend. And yeah, I agree… diamonds are a waste of money.

    Rick is taking a day off from skiing today. He will join me in the hot tub. We will wait until afternoon and they open the outdoor one. It’s lightly snowing… LOVE being in the outdoor hot tub when it’s snowing!

    How the hell does it snow more in North Carolina than it does here in northern NH over the next couple of days. We are expecting an inch up here. But not to worry… faux news says it’s normal… ay yup.

  20. I’m with XR on the origin of life thing–good luck on determining its origin. I’m willing to bet understanding the biota of Mars will not bring us any closer to an understanding of universal life than would an understanding of the spirituality of my first orgasm.

  21. Flatus, LOL!!!

    My bet is that understanding the biota on Mars will bring us closer to understanding the biota on Mars. As to the spirituality of your first orgasm – that’s between you and, well, you.

  22. PiT

    Bill’s frame of reference is not the U.S. model. And, that’s okay. But it can be a barrier to communication if it causes one to become fixated on the words rather than the intent of the words. As an example, yesterday, my proposed edict to tax offshore transfer of U.S. corporate earnings at a 100-pct rate was absurd on its face

    The problem of American corporations sitting on their earnings, not reinvesting them in domestic enterprises is real and reflects a philosophical failing in American corporate boardrooms, and a failing by American mutual funds and retirement fund administrators to demand that the corporations represented in their portfolios manage their corporate interests in a way that will maximize their financial worth to their ultimate owners, those of us at the bottom of the food chain.

  23. We have eliminated ALL corporate based basic research, like Bell Labs and RCA labs did, in favor of market or applied research. We need Government funded space programs and research in order to advance true basic research.

    Traditionally, basic research was considered as an activity that precedes applied research, which in turn precedes development into practical applications. Basic research (also called fundamental or pure research) has as its primary objective the advancement of knowledge and the theoretical understanding of the relations among variables. Basic research is driven by a scientist’s curiosity, interest, and intuition in a scientific question. Therefore, it is sometimes conducted without any practical end in mind, although it may have unexpected results pointing to practical applications. The main motivation is to expand man’s knowledge, not to create or invent something. Basic research lays down the foundation for the applied science that follows. If basic work is done first, then applied spin-offs often eventually result from this research.

    Applied research is designed to solve practical problems of the modern world, rather than to acquire knowledge for knowledge’s sake. Applied research is research accessing and using some part of the research communities’ (the academy’s) accumulated theories, knowledge, methods, and techniques, for a specific, often state, commercial, or client driven purpose.

    As Dr. George Smoot of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (LBNL) says, “People cannot foresee the future well enough to predict what’s going to develop from basic research. If we only did applied research, we would still be making better spears.”

    Most funding for scientific research comes from two major sources, corporations through research and development departments and government primarily through universities and in some cases through military contractors. In the middle 1970’s and going forward, the directors and officers of many companies used short term and/or tunnel vision to compromise long-term growth and competitive position by concentrating on short-term profits and profit margins. The direction of the major corporations with research laboratories is to forgo basic research to fund product line driven applied research. The Merger and Acquisitions frenzy that occurred from the 1980s into 2000s has also stifled basic research in the United States.

    In the past I have had close working relationships with units of both RCA’s David Sarnoff Research Center or RCA Laboratories and AT&T Bell Laboratories or Bell Labs. Neither exists in its original form today. The former RCA Labs was donated by GE, after they acquired RCA in 1986, to SRI International who is one of the world’s largest contract research institutes. The former Bell Labs is now owned by Alcatel-Lucent. At the former Bell Labs, as of July 2008, only four scientists remained in physics basic research according to a report by the scientific journal Nature. On August 28, 2008, Alcatel-Lucent announced it was pulling out of basic science, material physics, and semiconductor research and it will instead focus on more immediately marketable areas including networking, high-speed electronics, wireless networks, nanotechnology and software.

  24. According to the plot of the 1986 movie Aliens” (one of my faviorites) when we do explore space, most of it will be corporate “mining colonies” patrolled by Space Marines.

    We take our evil with us, when we go.

  25. Purple in Tampa:

    The Democrats lost their ideology. They fell in love with Reagan.

    They need to re-embrace the labor movement, and fight to increase union membership.

    Unions have a STRONG ideology and the BEST way to reverse the tendency of all corporate-generated wealth to flow to the top 1% is through union contracts, for almost everyone, like they do in Sweden where 70% of workers are unionized.

  26. Nash, recall the unabashed activism of the California Teachers Retirement Fund in wielding the heft of their investment dollars? This should be the model for organized labor throughout the country.

  27. Liberal Dems (the real Democrats) should all join the Green Party and push for the Dr. Stein Dr. Dean ticket

    The sane republicans should become Democrats and leave the maroons to the Teaparty

  28. Nash,

    The Democrats and Republicans are no longer parties of the people but parties that worship the all mighty dollar. I continue to be amazed that the blueprint for the transition from “We the People” to we the corporations and filthy rich was a product of a Democrat.

    On August 23, 1971, Lewis F. Powell, Jr., a former head of the American Bar Association and member of 11 corporate boards, wrote a memorandum for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce that presented a comprehensive plan and blueprint aimed at shifting the balance of political power in favor of corporations. President Nixon appointed Powell, a Democrat, to the Supreme Court just two months later. The 6-page memo, a free-market utopian treatise, called for a money fueled big business makeover of government through corporate control of the media, academia, the pulpit, arts and sciences and destruction of organized labor and consumer protection groups. It Worked!
    Powell Memo: U.S. Chamber Of Commerce

  29. Powell died while I was in law school in Richmond. Although he was indisputably a conservative with certain old south values, as a justice he was widely respected by the law school’s faculty, who one of my friends – also indisputably conservative – called communists. Powell represented Phillip Morris until he took the bench and his two most well known opinions were Bakke and Bowers v. Hardwick. He would probably be a second swing vote on today’s court, tending to side with its right wing, but he would not be identified as crazy or extreme as Scalia or Thomas. Of course he’d be 113 now, so he’d prolly be identified as a cranky old man.

  30. anyone else lost their quote and link buttons?
    still have the emoticons and the imager (altho’ still haven’t learned how to image) but sure miss the others.

    plus there are 4 little “normals” surrounding my “howdy, patd” at the top right. whassat about?

  31. 😥 Alvin Lee passed away today during routine surgery. He was 68.
    BBC: 6 March 2013 Last updated at 12:58
    Alvin Lee Lee became acclaimed for his guitar solos at Woodstock in 1969.

    His family announced on his official website that he unexpectedly died on 6 March following complications during routine surgery.

    The Nottingham-born musician rose to fame after appearing at the Woodstock festival in 1969.

    The band, who had eight Top 40 albums in the UK, had their biggest hit in 1971 with I’d Love To Change the World.

    “We have lost a wonderful and much loved father and companion, the world has lost a truly great and gifted musician,” said the statement from his wife and daughters.

    Lee worked with The Beatles’ George Harrison, Steve Winwood, Ronnie Wood and Mick Fleetwood on his first solo album, On the Road to Freedom, in 1973.

    He released his 14th record, Still on the Road to Freedom, in August last year.

    He was due to play a concert at Olympia Hall in Paris on 7 April with blues guitarist Johnny Winter.

    In an interview with Guitar World he said he still picked up a guitar “pretty much every day”.

    The Woodstock Festival, held outside New York in August 1969, featured legendary performances from Jimi Hendrix and The Who.

    Lee’s 11-minute rendition of, I’m Going Home, was immortalised in the 1970 documentary of the event.

    “I’ve still got the original Woodstock 335, but sadly I don’t use it these days as it has become too valuable,” he said in 2012.

    Born in Nottingham, Lee began playing guitar age 13 and formed the core of the band Ten Years After by 15.

    The band won their first recording contract in 1967 and travelled to America a year later due to success on underground radio stations.

    Ten Years After toured the US 28 times over a seven-year period.
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  32. Patd

    I haven’t had any editing buttons since Craig changed everything. I do not have 4 little “normals” surrounding my “howdy, PiT” at the top right.

  33. just to be clear, PatD and Purple, you do not have “B” “I” “LINK” and “QUOTE” buttons above your comment box?

    which browser versions and operating systems are you using?

    also PatD, i’m not sure what you mean by “4 little normals”

  34. Dex, shit. I loved Alvin’s playing. I heard an interview with him a while back and he described the Woodstock “I’m Coming Home” performance as one where he was a scared and excited kid trying to play his ass off as fast as he could to please the crowd.

  35. craig,
    I E 9

    the word normal appears twice on a line above to the right and left of the “howdy” and twice below. to the left at the top of the screen your name and the upper half of your picture is blocked by the same dark grey band that contains the “howdy” on the far right.

    i have deleted cookies and cache as ordered. still am plagued with the 4 little normals and no quote and link buttons.
    purple and craig, i only noticed this yesterday… but it could have been there longer and ignored it as a passing fancy of our resident techie.

    as you see, i still have edit ability and those insane emoticons (which i suspect are the culprits…grinning and smirking as they sit there).

  36. I almost busted my mouse scrolling back to see what issues Pogo was claiming to PatD that he didn’t have.

  37. yes, craig, i am still without bold, italic, link and quote buttons. i was only kidding about the emoticons (it’s just that they a have rather devious look about them).

  38. we could go back thru the last few days comments to pinpoint when i no longer had link and quote capabilities but commented anyway reverting to quotation marks and no links.

  39. HAH, Flatus! I shoulda made reference to the quotes, edit, etc. functions. Hope your mouse isn’t injured or just tuckered out.

  40. Craig, I wondered what 4 little normals were as well. I don’t remember that from my childhood with Mother Goose and the Fairy Tales. 7 dwarves, yes – 4 little normals, no.

  41. Pat, it sure sounds as if it’s something peculiar to your installation. Any anomalies with any other of your regular programs?

  42. smileys could have been making trouble, Patd. twas the last feature I had added recently. but now we’ve ruled that out.

    do you experience glitches on other sites, or just this one? if so, you might try contacting tech help for your internet service provider, could be an IP issue

    meanwhile i’ll keep poking around under the hood

  43. going back i see that yesterday at 4:20 p.m. i was able to quote and link, but not 20 minutes later.

    it’s a puzzlement

  44. “you might try contacting tech help for your internet service provider”

    ha! i might as well take a slow boat to india.

    why would purple also be bothered by my no buttons malady?

  45. This site run on Java at all(?), ‘cuz they’re releasing updates every few days it seems like.

  46. Patd, you definitely have Internet Explorer 9 and not IE8? because the author of those edit buttons wrote the following about IE 8:

    “Users don’t see anything on IE8 because IE8 cheerfully ignores the rules of jQuery. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. I got it to work, and then came back an hour later to no changes and it broke. At which point I bashed my head into the wall and went to the gym. Between caching and IE8 being inconsistent, I gave up. This is as good as I can get it. It works like a hero on Firefox, Safari, Chrome and IE9+.”

  47. PatD, do you have Firefox or Google Chrome for testing? Would help us determine whether this is an IE browser glitch.

    I keep all three handy because I find that a lot of sites don’t work in Explorer but do fine on Firefox or Chrome.

    You can download them here:



  48. meanwhile i’m going to try uninstall and re-install of the edit buttons (called “quicktags” btw). will let you know when i’m finished

  49. says i have IE9

    “do you experience glitches on other sites, or just this one?” so far only this one.
    btw the grey bar at the top is no problem for the first second or two when visiting the trail. after that it doubles/triples in depth, cuts out your name and crops your picture, and the 4 normals appear.

  50. What Bill was missing in his pro-biz spiels (with which I can sympathize to a degree), and what I didn’t really feel like articulating then, and barely do now, is that the “will” of a corporation isn’t the sum of its employees, it’s the sum of the board of directors, which is like 12 people, and then the same people sit on multiple boards (e.g. Steve Jobs, on the boards of Pixar, Disney, Apple…). Couple that with the fact that Goldman Sachs functions as the employment agency for the FED, Treasury, SEC, and all those other agencies that are supposed to regulate companies like Goldman Sachs, and you have like 100 guys setting all the economic policy of this country, in concert.

  51. Pat,

    At the bottom of your screen, you may have what is called the taskbar a bunch of icons showing which programs are active (on the left) or that were loaded as part of the boot-up sequence (on the right). If that row is present, Look at the icons on the right. If there is one shaped like a banner, press it. It will be the Action Center which will tell you if anything is broken.

    Go ahead enter the Action Center and ponder the choices it offers you. They are certainly illuminating.

  52. Aw man, you’re doing all this work to accommodate inferior technology. Get this man a cookie!


    Ooh even better, Mr. Host. Come to where the flavor is.

  53. Craig,

    Microsoft Windows XP Professional
    Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600

    Microsoft Internet Explorer
    Version 8.0.6001.18702

  54. Purple, thanks for your outline. I’ve got where you are coming from in a global sense – that was easy to see.

    Let’s go back to your original proposition.

    Obama and his Wall Street based Economic team have helped Wall Street loot almost $10 trillion that was put back into U.S. equities.

    Now this is a pretty bold allegation.

    Let’s go to the first limb of this allegation. What comes into my mind is the actual process in which 10tr was looted, when did this happen and where did it go? 10tr is a lot of money to withdraw from any economy, even the US economy, in one hit, as it appears in your thesis.

    In the second limb you mention that this loot has been put back into equities. Again I cannot work out the mechanism in which such a tsunami of cash suddenly hit the equities markets.

    And then you say:

    It is all funny money like Apple and Facebook!

    Are you suggesting that the 10tr is fraudulent or is hyperinflated?

    This is what I meant when I said I was not following you.

    As to the other issues, we know political parties are just selection panels for executive style jobs. There is no left or right or centre, just less or more enlightened candidates.

    The following cartoon expresses the point you are making.

  55. Purple, in your case IE 8 is likely the culprit for edit quicktags not appearing. See my comment above quoting the author of this feature

    IE 9 was a big improvement over version 8, which was very unpopular with developers

  56. Quicktags re-installed. See if that helps, PatD. if not, i’m out of ideas for now, but will keep noodling. Trying Firefox or Chrome, or re-installing your IE about all I can think of

  57. Ignex, an interesting conclusion.

    is that the “will” of a corporation isn’t the sum of its employees, it’s the sum of the board of directors

    This comment certainly highlights a dynamic tension that exists in all companies, be they big or small. The size of a company determines the scale of this tension.

    With a ma and pa business having a couple hundred employees and a $50m turnover, the directors also work on the shop floor, so to say, and so are responsive to the ebb and flow of the work place. A worker may approach the director with a problem and this problem is solved on the shop floor without reference to a board meeting. Indeed, board meetings are usually limited to the statutory minimum where the lawyers and accountants have drawn up all the standard papers for signing. Such a meeting lasts for about 5 minutes and everyone goes off and has a drink and swap stories.

    With a larger company, it is no longer possible for a problem or an innovation to be brought directly to the attention of a director. Hence reports are generated by individuals who are in the company to establish a dialogue between those “wielding” power and those implementing policies. It is this ongoing dialogue that forms the agenda for a board meeting. The ability of a director on a board is determined by the skill in which these agenda items can be framed in a business model to have outcomes which add to the bottom line. This is not for the faint hearted or seat warmer.

    Looking at your proposition, it appears to be true in the aspect that the “will” of a company is not the sum of the employees but nor is it exclusively the province of the directors. The successful company is the one that conducts the internal dialogue with “clean hands” and so can respond challenges and threats in a timely manner while undertaking proactive work in anticipation of market movement. The companies that fail inevitably have a very poor internal dialogue with stakeholders coming to the table with their own personal agendas which are not necessarily in the interests of the company.

    Most companies fall between the best practice and the worst case. It’s like art, we know it when we see it.

  58. KGC @ 11:46 am : “The sane republicans should become Democrats and leave the maroons to the Teaparty”

    sane republicans ? Na.

    No sane rippers since the reagan devolution took over the Party in 1978. Compulsive liars like noonan, buchanan, norquist, and meese, joined on the make kleptos and compulsive klepto enablers like weinberger, nofziger, demery, deborah gore dean lavelle, burford, jim baker, bell, donovan, and heckler, and unmedicated raving lunatics like watt, stone, and nancy, and out-of-control druggies like mcfarlane, atwater, and deaver. Since then power in the party has lurched round and round between the crazed religious fanatics, the compulsive bank plus insurance, mortgage, and S&L) embezzlers, and the crazed torture-and-shoot ’em up crowd.

    Nope, the last sane republican left the building 35 years ago this Fall.

  59. and now for a crazy interlude from the high tech buzz world…

    aaaaahhhh… just got back from hot tubbin’ with Rick.
    went first to outdoor ht… sat with jet at my back… jumped into indoor pool… went back to outdoor ht… jumped back into pool… repeat several more times.

    After a half hour of this… one doesn’t care if they drop a bomb on NYC (insert smiley face).

    Tonight it’s off to our favorite restaraunt where the margaritas are made fresh, the dinners are divine, and the desserts are awesome. Wish you were all here.

  60. Champ… I understand how you feel. I too eschewed the corporate world to do my own thing. I’m glad I did… it was the right choice for me.

    But Rick left the academic world of being a librarian to enter the high tech world. And I’m glad he did… it was the right choice for him. And I gotta admit… the money has been nice. So I see BillW’s point too.

  61. The posts of Nash 2.5 @ 11:06am & Flatus @ 11:45am bear repeating daily, if not more often.

    Nash 2.5:
    “The Democrats lost their ideology. They fell in love with Reagan. They need to re-embrace the labor movement, and fight to increase union membership.

    “Unions have a STRONG ideology and the BEST way to reverse the tendency of all corporate-generated wealth to flow to the top 1% is through union contracts, for almost everyone, like they do in Sweden where 70% of workers are unionized.”

    Flatus adds:
    “Nash, recall the unabashed activism of the California Teachers Retirement Fund in wielding the heft of their investment dollars? This should be the model for organized labor throughout the country.”

  62. I don’t have B,I, Link, or Quote either.’And the smileys haven’t worked on my end since the new regime took over.

  63. Oh, I’ve noticed the U.S. MSM setting the foundation for the vilification of all things Russian, xrep, to bring it back to your “contrived boogey-man” observation. Kind of like last year when the stories coming out of China were “baby-eating” and such.

  64. Final thought for now, in consideration of RT (Russian Television) news links being posted around the ‘net, with the implication being said network is an unbiased source:

    I’ve been watching RT news, lately, and it isn’t so much “objective” as it is “Anti-American”. They are still talking about 9/11 conspiracies. Meanwhile, I haven’t heard them say anything about Putin, the saint that he is. RT is kind of like Democracy Now, but with more vodka, and less patchouli.

  65. xrepub, what browser and operating system you have (always helps me troubleshoot if I know this)?

    if you (or anyone) using Internet Explorer Version 8 having troubles, see my comment above from the edit button author about its issues

    and when you say the smiley buttons don’t work, do you mean you can’t see them, click them, or what?

  66. when i see the picture of mars above I see the red dirt on the hills outside of Birmingham where one could fabricate a greek-worthy slingshot from innertube strips with which a certain band of cousins could launch cherry bombs up to explode in the airs over Shades Mountain Drive-in movie theater.

  67. Hi Craig,

    Thanks for asking. I had internet explorer 7, I think. msn. That was last week. On Friday or thereabouts, I got ensorceled into trading with yahoo, and I don’t know how to get rid of the dam’ thing. I don’t like yahoo. Anywhat, now when I open up shop in the morning, I find yahoo on the screen and msn on the bar above it.

    In my tool tray I have two kinds of bing and Babylon search, if that’s any help.

  68. I see the smileys, but they don’t click. They just sit there. As I am not a smiley kinda guy, that doesn’t bother me. However, the loss of the tools that used to sit above the comment box is a great loss to my posting artistry.


  69. I’m still happy to be here, whatever. Speaking of being here, where are Solar, MQW, and Jaxtrader?

    I think they ought to be here, too.

  70. you had to hold them things in the device a bit for the fuse to burn down so that hopefully they exploded at the peak of their arc.

    or at least 20 feet above the deck.

  71. Ignex,

    russians make great villains, however no one believes them to be a threat anymore. I expect that within 5 years putin to declare that there is no longer a need for different political parties. Then he’ll announce that in the future everyone will have to join his party. To join, every supplicant will have to pay a fee, be registered by name, address, and photo. Everyone will have to provide finger, iris, and voiceprints. Members will be assigned phone numbers, email addresses,and postal boxes as ‘necessary’. The new members will also have to pay dues or a % of their income.

    All this if they want to get anywhere in life. This is what I expect. But, no gulag archipelligo. No. Not yet.

  72. I thought I uninstalled yahoo twice. But as with the cat, I thought it was a goner, but the kitty came back cuz it wouldn’t stay away.

  73. I’d been looking at that page, but in the wrong place. Thanks, Craig, it looks as though I am yahoo-free once more. ( :>D))<

  74. Get to go get needle in back tomorrow. With luck I’ll be able to sit long enough to actually visit a little more often.

  75. I could be coaxed into supporting ‘manned’ space flights if the nude grinch would take pol ryan, , the kochs, the nra, the still unindicted wall street crooks, the bush crime family, scalia, clarence, alito, roberts, rush, coulter, hannify*, o’really, the waltons, jack welch, john muckain, the murdoch crime family including their chief alaweed ibn Talal, and adelson to start an ayn randian colony on the moon. Toss in berlusconi and netanyahu.

    * hannify is a joke on the name of great Muslim jurist Abu Hanifa, 699-767ce, the founder of one of the four schools of Islamic Law, and the most easy going and progressive of them. Hard to believe,but I think the 8th C Muslim judge is more liberal, just, and modern than hannity, the crazy 21st C faux noise showman and disinfomercialist.

  76. Mars looks like Knobite Corner. Red mud and rocks in layers.

    Mars looks like behind the “Mormon Curtain”.

  77. I’m impressed by that big slab of petrified wood in the center of the picture.

  78. Those pictures are dazzlingly crisp, 110 years ago 2 bike builders in Dayton were working in their spare time.
    And Robert Gottard was thinking about rockets.

    They all walked in horse shit. Everyday. Now, we are jaded by detailed pictures from Mars.

  79. From Taegan Goddard:
    Quote of the Day
    “Newt’s a prick… He’s a sore loser and if he had won he would have been a sore winner.”

    — Fox News chief Roger Ailes, quoted in Roger Ailes: Off Camera, about Newt Gingrich.

  80. Quote of the Day
    “Newt’s a prick…

    Welcome to the party Roger. But I’m not the prick that put him on the air for the last decade.

  81. Kansas City Southern by Pure Prairie League


  82. My money is on babykim to emerge as the villain du jour.

    He is working SO hard to win this award.

  83. Just installed the release version of Internet Explorer 10 on Win 7-64bit Ultimate. Everything displays properly.

  84. Good luck Jamie. Be sure to tell the doc that you had nothing to do with 2-pct cut in their Medicare reimbursement to start at the end of this month courtesy of sequestration.

  85. Young Crawford –
    The real world is eating their ass up, people don’t desert the thread.
    The real world just comes, and swallows you up.

    At least that’s the way it’s worked for me.

  86. Oh no, I’m pointing to life in a sweet spot. A time , and a place.
    That’s all we get, our time and place.

  87. Years ago I would listen to songs late at night, and spam the links here.
    One more time-

  88. Young Crawford-
    Here’s some real space music …..


    “it’s so very lonely your 2,000 Light Years from Home”

    The Rolling Stones.

  89. Nothing in space ever made this sound, but people –


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