Iran, So What’s the Deal?

As partisans square off here and abroad, finding honest brokers to explain and evaluate the international deal with Iran can be tricky. Here’s my best effort …

The Economist:

CARPING is easy. The interim deal between Iran and six world powers hammered out in the small hours of November 24th to curb the former’s nuclear programme is a long way from perfect, but it meets two key tests. The first is that it will extend Iran’s so-called ‘critical capability’ — the time needed for it to produce one or several nuclear devices following a decision to weaponise—by many months compared with the trajectory it was on before the agreement. Secondly, it forms the basis for a more permanent solution to the decades-long problem of Iran’s nuclear activities to be reached over the next six months. Moreover it has done so without giving too much away, either in the form of premature relaxation of the sanctions regime that has brought Iran to the negotiating table or by conceding its claim to an “inalienable right” to enrich uranium.”

New York Times Chief Washington Correspondent David Sanger:

The deal does not roll back the vast majority of the advances Iran has made in the past five years, which have drastically shortened what nuclear experts call its “dash time” to a bomb — the minimum time it would take to build a weapon if Iran’s supreme leader or military decided to pursue that path. Lengthening that period, so that the United States and its allies would have time to react, is the ultimate goal of President Obama’s negotiating team. It is also a major source of friction between the White House and two allies, Israel and Saudi Arabia, which have made no secret of their belief that they are being sold down the river.”

Former UN Chief Weapons Inspector David Kay: “It certainly is a significant step. … Trust is not the issue. Trust is verification and more verification.”

43 thoughts on “Iran, So What’s the Deal?

  1. Ahah!! (or is it woo hoo? Rats, moments late again) Disagreement over Iran and nukes. Who coulda predicted that?

  2. With Thanksgiving just a couple-three days away, time to dispel some of the myths about the Pilgrims.Let’s get Thanksgiving into the proper perspective -- as a day to overeat and watch football. Happy Thanksgiving to all, and enjoy the tryptophan.

  3. Kgc
    why stop with latkes you’ve got the grease hot
    The Vietnamese restaurants have a very tasty sweetpotato/shrimp fritter

    instead of baking the turkey remove the breast slice and dredge in flour and have chicken fried turkey breast.
    If you are making stuffing just add a little more egg and flour roll it in a ball and deeo fry it like you would a hushpuppy.

    In case your arteries aren’t wide open you may want to keep the number of your favorite cardiologist on speed dial


  4. Who you gonna listen to, Kay Gee? Fast Food McTurkey up here, or the guy whose stuffing recipe is stolen by everyone who has tried it? Exactly.

    So, anyway, now that there is an impetus for preventing Iran from developing certain capabilities, maybe we can work on taking away Pakistan’s, next, the thought of which made me cringe when Bibi labelled Iran as “the world’s most dangerous regime”. Uh, no.

  5. It is not a good idea to listen to anything the Saudis and Israelis say. They have their own agendas and what’s good for the USA, or the world, doesn’t matter to them.

    By the way, sanctions work. That’s why the Iranians are negotiating.

  6. Re: “What’s the deal?”

    I would add…

    “What’s the story,
    morning glory?
    What’s the word,

    (That’s from “Bye Bye Birdie.”)

  7. Iran, the worlds most dangerous regime? Hah! they wish. That would be the good ole USof A and the rest of you pip squeak wanna bes had better not forget it.


  8. Saxby Chambliss and Bob Corker have been all over everywhere talking about what a bad deal this is.. Chambliss who smeared a vietnam vet to get elected and Corker who counted on the people of Tenn being racists.

    Why would anyone take any kind of advice from either one of them.

    I think the Syrian progress (such as it is) and what is happening with Iran is good. I don’t get the issue about moving forward.

  9. My diabetes doc pushed me to increase my carb intake. I have been putting on weight. and having control issues.

    I’m going back to my lean meat and veggie diet Front loading the carbs at breakfast little to none for supper.


  10. The healthiest diets are based on staples (beans, rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, wheat) other vegetables, fruits, nuts, and fish.

    Don’t buy into fads, and meat and dairy producer lies.

    The Swedes have one of the highest rates of heart disease in the world. Milk and cheese are killers.

  11. I’ve been home for a week and am still somewhat in culture shock. I loved every minute of my time in France. My family there is remarkably open, kind,intelligent, and funny. The French people were simply delightful, and the countryside fascinating.

    The trips to and from were made easier because I used wheelchairs in all terminal especially CDG.
    That happened because I tripped over a backpack
    and went down!

    Our three boys have made France their home.
    Their lives are filled with school, friends, and classes for guitar, art, and now rugby. My niece’s life is busy keeping up with their schedules and it’s very complicated. The school situation there is
    different from ours, but not necessarily bad.
    Andrea has signed up with our local district here
    for home schooling because Alex is reading better in French than in English.

    I didn’t do much sightseeing cuz I’ve done it. Just driving thru town was fun -- the buildings are grey rock and certainly not urban sprawl. Even new build looks old. Streets are narrow and
    wandering and maze-like, and I don’t know how Andrea knows every damn one of them.

    Her house they rent is darling, built in the 1970′s
    but plenty of character and big yard, with an entrance gate. It rained and blew much of the time I was there, and cold, but of course I loved it.

    I did go to Clos Luce where Da Vinci lived thanks to Francois I, and walked thru the open part of the house.

    As I re-read this post, it seems rather dry and I guess that’s because I’m trying to not ramble and chatter. I do have photo’s and will try to post them because I think they will be more enjoyable than my post.

  12. bethyboo: As I re-read this post, it seems rather dry

    No, Bethy… not a chance. It’s wonderful hearing about your trip… you sound so happy. Also, looking forward to seeing your pictures, and hoping you’ll tell us more about France and the life your family members have created there.

    Most likely little Alex will catch up on his English reading… I imagine that he’s just not that interested. I remember years ago, that you pointed out that he could sing the whole Wonder Pets song by memory (at 3 years old!). I realize that was before they moved to France.

    I take it they’re in the states for a while, as you mentioned the tutoring his mother is pursuing for him. Let us know how it works out.

    Great to have you sharing with us again. We’ve missed you!

    ps French is such a beautiful language. Did you have difficulty communicating there? That’s the one drawback when I think of visiting the country (if the opportunity ever arises). No subtitles!… like I always have on the TV when I see their movies and TV series. I’d love to know a 2nd language, but have never had an aptitude for it (either that, or I’m just lazy :)).

  13. Welcome back. Your post was wonderful and welcome to someone who soaks up information about other countries. A little dream of mine has been to spend a long time in either Australia, France or Italy.

  14. Jack ADA diet recommends 50-60percentofcalories from carbs but patients have good control with that meat and veggie diet. lipid levels usually good also which surprised me

    happy Thanksgiving everyone. I’m headed to the PNW to spend holidays with big sis and her gang. Excited as one can be with half a brain. Too many drugs to haul. May need U Haul. Probably pretty high baggage charge

  15. bethyboo,

    I agree with chloe. that was a delightfully joyful post, not dry at all. have missed you as well and look forward to the pictures.

  16. welcome to winter u s of a.

    hope all are already at thanksgiving venue in front of a toasty fire and not cooling (and I mean cooling) their heels at an iced in airport or stalled in an interstate snowbank.

  17. Jamie I’m headed your way fix the weather for me I prefer sunny and warm. No we don’t have that here right now it’s rainy and cold universe is prepping me.
    Ct( carol)

  18. All the usual suspects have lined up against the deal with Iran.

    Kind of leads me to believe that its a pretty good plan. ;-)

  19. GoogleUser1,

    glad to see you back on the trail, carol. your half brain is still more powerful than most of us have here. ‘specially yours truly. happy journey west.

    and yes there’s a “christmas in the northwest” song just for you. assuming you’re going to or thru seattle

  20. So long as we retain the unilateral capability of nuking them until they glow, sounds like a fine plan.

  21. Bethy and Carol,
    Most happy to see you both back--on the same day, even! Now, I insist, have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

  22. from bbc. francis as he sees c future

    In his “apostolic exhortation”, Pope Francis said he preferred a Church that was “bruised, hurting and dirty because it has been out on the streets, rather than a Church which is unhealthy from being confined and from clinging to its own security”.
    The document also touches on inter-faith relations, urging Christians to “embrace with affection and respect Muslim immigrants to our countries in the same way that we hope and ask to be received and respected in countries of Islamic tradition”.

  23. good one from taegan

    The Do (Almost) Nothing Congress
    Carrie Dann: “It’s not quite a ‘do nothing’ Congress -- but it’s not far off. With only a handful of remaining legislative days on their calendar, this current Congress is on track to go down as one of the most unproductive in modern history. The paltry number of bills Congress has passed into law this year paints a vivid picture of just how bad the gridlock has been for lawmakers, whose single-digit approval rating illustrates that the public is hardly satisfied with their trickle of legislative activity.”

  24. Maybe Obama would be having a good presidency if he didn’t have to deal with a Congress full of vicious dipshits. Undermining health-care reform, shutting down government, and sinking peace deals will be their legacies.

    …and 95% of them will be re-elected, because we are a nation of idiots.

  25. “The Do (Almost) Nothing Congress”

    Oh, they do plenty. If only we were so lucky to have them do nothing.

  26. Ignex,

    but do they have to get paid for it?

    239 days off in addition to crappy work when they’re there. plus bennies and perks

  27. 239 off?!?!?! They should have to do community service- REAL community service, like picking up trash or teaching kids to read, or working at soup kitchens, when they’re not in session. Unfortunately it would take an act of Congress to achieve that, so we’ll have to be content with complaining.

    Ok, this is too aggravating. Have a good day.

  28. Bethy… thanks so much for that post… it was a delight to read. Glad you had a good time with family.

    The holiday is just around the corner and I’m doing a craft show the Friday and Saturday afterwards. That’s where my focus is right now. Politics… wtf is that? :smile:

    BTW… Jamie… Carol is spending the winter in your city.

  29. How come some people have lactose intolerance and some can have no problems with dairy. Why does the eating of peanuts cause some to go to the hospital and others can eat handfuls with their beer. Why can some people eat anything they want and never gain weight while some get fat just looking at certain foods.

    IMO, it’s plain to see that not everyone has the same physiology. As a diabetic like Jack… I feel much better and can be in control with a low carb diet.

    Jack… I highly recommend Dr. Richard Berstein’s “Diabetes Solution”. Google him.

  30. The neocons have never seen a country they didn’t want to bomb. Why in the hell would we listen to them about anything?

    That’s pretty much the alternative. You either keep talking and hope something works to the advantage of peace or you give more taxpayer money to the defense contractors and kill more young people.

    I would like to vote in favor of talking.

  31. RebelliousRenee,

    Good point and I agree, Renee. Its all about chemistry.

    aggravation is healthy if it releases steam (which avoids a blowout). Honesty has it’s rewards (although seldom appreciated) and is so refreshing!

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